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2 hours ago, Norgethistle said:

We won’t and if we did we’d make a balls up of doing it like Jagszone 

Probably although you would like to think a reasonably competent board could find a way of turning a profit from it.

However competency and Partick Thistle board are mutually exclusive terms at the moment . It could be argued that the failure of the reconstruction talks is another issue JLow has been involved in thats ended up with a detrimental outcome for the club. We desperately need a board that we can have faith in to get through what are going to be bumpy financial period.

1 hour ago, G SUS said:

Every club in the SPFL(and probably beyond)  have the rights to broadcast(in audio or through a stream) all their games(whether home or away) as long as the stream is geo-blocked to outside the UK and Ireland. 

What Thistle probably lack is the demand(less than 100 subscribed when in Prem) and the expertise to do it - the statement two years ago indicated it was cos they took a feed off tv cameras.

Its the geo blocked we should be insisting is dropped. If we could get that and the club explain to the fans not to go to away games but use 'Thistle TV' you would create demand. I dare say other clubs such as Falkirk and Hearts would be interested and there may be some common marketing and costs that could be worked out to make it more affordable plus get more subscribers.

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Just now, gianlucatoni said:

so apart from Hibs who are named tonight as voting it down are we to speculate on the identity of the other 5 I'm alright Jack clubs? 

I'd be certain that Aberdeen & Celtic were 2 of them

Surprised its only 5. Can't think of any bar Hearts that would vote for reconstruction.

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We have been told that the new bumper TV deal that the SPFL have  starting 20/21 season will benefit all of Scottish football. But instead of sharing it out, in the midst of a global pandemic, the top league has voted for the status quo, and they will keep the majority of it in their closed shop of 12. We are all in this together to benefit Scottish football, aye right.:angry2:

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On the basis of comments made by Club Officials before the reconstruction group was set up  I would add to the clubs already suggested (Hibs, Aberdeen and Celtic) the following:

Hamilton (Chairman "would only vote for reconstruction if it was permanent" )

Ross County (Chairman - can't recall what he said but it was a no! ) 

Motherwell (Chairman - "wasn't the right time for reconstruction" )

St Mirren, St Johnstone & Kilmarnock have been very quiet. 

I suppose the identity of the self-interest 6 will come out in the wash! 

 

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Final comment for tonight - it's getting late. 

1. Great statement from Falkirk and I assume we are one of the clubs they are talking too! So more to come on yesterday's news

2. Attending or not attending away matches is surely for the fans to decide either individually or through some manner of fan coordination. I think it would be very unwise for the club to be seen to be involved in this in any formal way, eg encouraging fans not to attend away matches.

. Can we start a separate thread on this subject so that all views, for and against, and alternative proposals eg streaming and broadcasting etc can be gathered and debated on a dedicated thread. Attending away matches is difficult for me because of where I live. Aberdeen, Angus and Dundee are easiest for me but I will be avoiding these locations in future! So home games for me and donations to Jags for the away games. 

3. I don't know enough about our financial position but I was under the impression that we would be one of the better placed clubs to weather this crisis. I keep reading about us having no debt therefore the money raised by fans from all sources £100k plus prize money from SPFL (however small) and not counting sponsorship monies will go towards sustaining the club and not, like many other clubs, to servicing debt! 

 

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1 hour ago, exiledjag said:

Final comment for tonight - it's getting late. 

1. Great statement from Falkirk and I assume we are one of the clubs they are talking too! So more to come on yesterday's news

2. Attending or not attending away matches is surely for the fans to decide either individually or through some manner of fan coordination. I think it would be very unwise for the club to be seen to be involved in this in any formal way, eg encouraging fans not to attend away matches.

. Can we start a separate thread on this subject so that all views, for and against, and alternative proposals eg streaming and broadcasting etc can be gathered and debated on a dedicated thread. Attending away matches is difficult for me because of where I live. Aberdeen, Angus and Dundee are easiest for me but I will be avoiding these locations in future! So home games for me and donations to Jags for the away games. 

3. I don't know enough about our financial position but I was under the impression that we would be one of the better placed clubs to weather this crisis. I keep reading about us having no debt therefore the money raised by fans from all sources £100k plus prize money from SPFL (however small) and not counting sponsorship monies will go towards sustaining the club and not, like many other clubs, to servicing debt! 

 

Doesn't matter what falkirk say, us and them will lay down and be run over! Now is the time for the she devil to do something worthwhile but will she?

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Realistic possibility at least one championship club will go under and (surely?!?) we would be reinstated.

talk of some clubs mothballing for a whole season with the intention of starting up again for season 21/22.  What happens if 2 or 3 teams from each division want to do this? What do the remaining clubs do? Heard on the radio today there has been talk of a 14/16 team top league and nothing else underneath. 

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22 minutes ago, p12tfc said:

Realistic possibility at least one championship club will go under and (surely?!?) we would be reinstated.

talk of some clubs mothballing for a whole season with the intention of starting up again for season 21/22.  What happens if 2 or 3 teams from each division want to do this? What do the remaining clubs do? Heard on the radio today there has been talk of a 14/16 team top league and nothing else underneath. 

I'm not sure what they mean by "mothballing". Most L1 and L2 clubs, plus a few in the Championship, will have no contracted players by the end of June and I can't see any of them recruiting until there is a prospect of football. I would also expect that we would honour our contracts, but can't see anything beyond that. Maybe reduce pitch and stadium maintenance to basics. Whats to stop them doing that and thus getting  outgoings down to the absolute minimum.

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25 minutes ago, p12tfc said:

Realistic possibility at least one championship club will go under and (surely?!?) we would be reinstated.

talk of some clubs mothballing for a whole season with the intention of starting up again for season 21/22.  What happens if 2 or 3 teams from each division want to do this? What do the remaining clubs do? Heard on the radio today there has been talk of a 14/16 team top league and nothing else underneath. 

This is what I think/fear will happen. The SPFL will soon morph into the Scottish Premiership Football League and they will look out for themselves when football behind closed doors starts and the TV money only goes to those clubs.

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1 minute ago, Dick Dastardly said:

I'm not sure what they mean by "mothballing". Most L1 and L2 clubs, plus a few in the Championship, will have no contracted players by the end of June and I can't see any of them recruiting until there is a prospect of football. I would also expect that we would honour our contracts, but can't see anything beyond that. Maybe reduce pitch and stadium maintenance to basics. Whats to stop them doing that and thus getting  outgoings down to the absolute minimum.

Isn't what you've put "mothballing"?

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4 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

That is what I thought, but you were asking what if 2 or 3 clubs do this. I would expect all clubs to take this option

Sorry, I'm not sure there can be any other way apart from what you've put forward.   I think that all clubs below the top 12/14 or whatever size of league closed door football can sustain,  will need to do this whether all of them come out of it is a difficult one to call.

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I'm sure there are various reason why this can't happen but as long as the current format for promotion/relegation to and from the premiership is maintained i.e. one up automatically and a play off for a possible 2nd promotion, then I don't see why the premiership clubs should hold sway over how the the remaining leagues set themselves up. If it's not affecting the premiership then morally what right do they have to dictate to the rest of the leagues how many leagues and how many clubs per league? If it is not impacting on the premiership then the "lower leagues" should have the right to decide how they wish to proceed especially given the current situation which could see clubs going to the wall.

As I said at the start there are probably plenty of reasons why this can't happen but why a group of clubs should be able to disadvantage three leagues purely out of self interest is utterly wrong!

It's time to rip up the rule book and start again. :angry2:

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12 hours ago, a f kincaid said:

Obviously disappointed but not at all surprised. League reconstruction was never likely to happen.  If I read the statement from the SPFL correctly (the response to the Rangers dossier) it seems any reconstruction has to be approved by the TV companies (principally Sky who would never forfeit their Old Firm derbies cash cow) for "the good of Scottish Football".  Now we learn 6 Premier League clubs have not found it possible to do the decent thing either, more than likely thinking about 4 home gates against the Old Firm.  The irony is that Sky have lost their Edinburgh derbies next season - if/when it starts.

Scottish football authorities do exactly what the Cable / Satellite TV companies tell them to do, and the Cable / Satellite TV companies base their whole 'football existence' on advertising revenues. An interesting article from an ex-Tottenham Hotspur fan on why he gave up his season ticket for Spurs to go watch a more honest form of football:- https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/11/premier-league-football-eaten-itself-commercialisation-bt-sky

After the performance of the SPFL and Scottish footballing authorities generally, this drifting away of fans sickened by the 'money, money, money and then more money' corrupt attitude may be something we see more of when C-19 is eventually brought under control [autumn 2021?]

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8 hours ago, Pinhead said:

Doesn't matter what falkirk say, us and them will lay down and be run over! Now is the time for the she devil to do something worthwhile but will she?

Out of interest whats the big problem with JLow? Can someone please explain this to me cause feel i have missed something. 

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2 minutes ago, scotty said:

Sorry, I'm not sure there can be any other way apart from what you've put forward.   I think that all clubs below the top 12/14 or whatever size of league closed door football can sustain,  will need to do this whether all of them come out of it is a difficult one to call.

I think we are in violent agreement 

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2 hours ago, Camallain said:

I'm sure there are various reason why this can't happen but as long as the current format for promotion/relegation to and from the premiership is maintained i.e. one up automatically and a play off for a possible 2nd promotion, then I don't see why the premiership clubs should hold sway over how the the remaining leagues set themselves up. If it's not affecting the premiership then morally what right do they have to dictate to the rest of the leagues how many leagues and how many clubs per league? If it is not impacting on the premiership then the "lower leagues" should have the right to decide how they wish to proceed especially given the current situation which could see clubs going to the wall.

As I said at the start there are probably plenty of reasons why this can't happen but why a group of clubs should be able to disadvantage three leagues purely out of self interest is utterly wrong!

It's time to rip up the rule book and start again. :angry2:

Agree. We don't need to copy everything that England is doing, but i think the EPL will decide what they are doing and the lower leagues EFL will decide what they are doing. The 2 in England are not connected. How can the SPFL with the premier league voting to close down the lower leagues weeks ago now, still be trying to get the premiership 19/20 season finished ? All clubs are members of the SPFL, if they vote to shut down any league it should cover all leagues not just 3.

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There's no doubt that the double whammy of relegation and Covid is a huge threat to the Club. The combination of delay and uncertainty re when we'll see things back to normal could well be crippling. In fact it's not just a "when" but there's clearly an increased probability of an "if" . That said our thoughts should first and foremost be directed towards our players and players in general. Many don't have transferable skills, many will also be unsigned and even those in contract will be worried sick about their future. 

I know the analogy of football club and fan with business and customer doesn't stack up because of the emotional content with the former, Even so I think concern for the workforce should be paramount.  

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perhaps an organisation touting sporting integrity should have taken the prize money for all 4 divisions and split it equally amongst members in this time of evident crisis - since technically nobody won anything and leagues were incomplete 

its tremendously short sighted in their unseemly haste to call the season which could lead to clubs being lost forever 

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2 minutes ago, gianlucatoni said:

perhaps an organisation touting sporting integrity should have taken the prize money for all 4 divisions and split it equally amongst members in this time of evident crisis - since technically nobody won anything and leagues were incomplete 

its tremendously short sighted in their unseemly haste to call the season which could lead to clubs being lost forever 

That is to sensible and fair. There is still £7m in the SPFL bank that is to be paid out to the 12 premier league teams. About £2m paid out to the 30 lower league teams. Tells you all you need to know about Scottish football and fairness.

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7 minutes ago, gianlucatoni said:

perhaps an organisation touting sporting integrity should have taken the prize money for all 4 divisions and split it equally amongst members in this time of evident crisis - since technically nobody won anything and leagues were incomplete 

its tremendously short sighted in their unseemly haste to call the season which could lead to clubs being lost forever 

But let's be honest. Scottish footballing authorities and clubs like Celtuc, Rangers and Aberdeen dont give a toss about clubs outside the Premiership. They would be quite happy to have just 1 league and no relegation. 

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2 hours ago, Jag36 said:

Out of interest whats the big problem with JLow? Can someone please explain this to me cause feel i have missed something. 

I would be interested to know what the problem is as well, with examples for purposes of illustration! 

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