elevenone Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Auld Jag said: It is also hypocritical to let 2 leagues play and stop every other league from playing. Even when 2 of the other leagues will do what the top 2 leagues do to let them continue playing. Agree. Either all leagues playing or none at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, elevenone said: Agree. Either all leagues playing or none at all. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 We won’t restart this season, and if we do actually start next season I don’t see fans being back. We now have a relentless message of decide later from both Governments. Short lockdown before Xmas, now talking about to April or May. Temporary ban on travel, now talk of keeping borders closed all year, and as a UK citizen and passport holder living abroad it is currently illegal for me to repatriate. Pubs and restaurants closed as a circuit break in October, now not likely to open till June. We will be ok with the vaccine, now we are being told even when all vaccinated the same restrictions will apply. Football returning is way down my list when it comes to getting my civil liberties back, rights on a passport for a returning citizen returned, employment laws reinstated and human right to a family life brought back. This is the new normal if you allow it and don’t question it 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 45 minutes ago, Norgethistle said: We won’t restart this season, and if we do actually start next season I don’t see fans being back. We now have a relentless message of decide later from both Governments. Short lockdown before Xmas, now talking about to April or May. Temporary ban on travel, now talk of keeping borders closed all year, and as a UK citizen and passport holder living abroad it is currently illegal for me to repatriate. Pubs and restaurants closed as a circuit break in October, now not likely to open till June. We will be ok with the vaccine, now we are being told even when all vaccinated the same restrictions will apply. Football returning is way down my list when it comes to getting my civil liberties back, rights on a passport for a returning citizen returned, employment laws reinstated and human right to a family life brought back. This is the new normal if you allow it and don’t question it Have you be men given any indication at all as to when you might be able to return to the UK, catch up with family etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 56 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: Have you be men given any indication at all as to when you might be able to return to the UK, catch up with family etc? Current advice I’ve been given regarding an entry to the UK is no plan in foreseeable future, we are hearing nothing till autumn at earliest . I have a business critical job that needs doing in Aberdeen that I need to be on site to run, even with agreement to quarantine and 2 test prior to travel and do 10 days quarantine in UK on arrival we are being told no, not only that but if I do reach UK border I am likely to be prosecuted as the job is classed as non-essential by UK and Scottish government. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG1970 Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 Today I saw the hashtag onemillionjags .... if only 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 45 minutes ago, Norgethistle said: Current advice I’ve been given regarding an entry to the UK is no plan in foreseeable future, we are hearing nothing till autumn at earliest . I have a business critical job that needs doing in Aberdeen that I need to be on site to run, even with agreement to quarantine and 2 test prior to travel and do 10 days quarantine in UK on arrival we are being told no, not only that but if I do reach UK border I am likely to be prosecuted as the job is classed as non-essential by UK and Scottish government. Is Norway on the list of countries where aerials in England need to isolate ? Could you fly to Manchester or Newcastle then get a train to Aberdeen ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 17 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: Is Norway on the list of countries where aerials in England need to isolate ? Could you fly to Manchester or Newcastle then get a train to Aberdeen ? There is no “travel corridor” now. Only essential personal can now travel to UK. (Pilots, offshore workers, doctors, nurses, boat crews and the like). there are less than 20000 people arriving in UK per day now, a percentage passing through the rest fall into that category. Compare that to 120000 a day at heathrow alone. Aberdeen now only has 2 international flights a day. Both from Norway for offshore workers going back and forward, it used to have 5 a day from Stavanger alone (plus Bergen and Oslo) plus various other countries. Even in a worst case scenario I can’t get back. Norway is having roughly 60 cases a day and total deaths around 600, but even though we are safe I can pre-test pre and post-quarantine it’s not legally possible anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 I missed that about the corridors being closed. I’ve not been out my post code since before Christmas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 37 minutes ago, Norgethistle said: There is no “travel corridor” now. Only essential personal can now travel to UK. (Pilots, offshore workers, doctors, nurses, boat crews and the like). there are less than 20000 people arriving in UK per day now, a percentage passing through the rest fall into that category. Compare that to 120000 a day at heathrow alone. Aberdeen now only has 2 international flights a day. Both from Norway for offshore workers going back and forward, it used to have 5 a day from Stavanger alone (plus Bergen and Oslo) plus various other countries. Even in a worst case scenario I can’t get back. Norway is having roughly 60 cases a day and total deaths around 600, but even though we are safe I can pre-test pre and post-quarantine it’s not legally possible anymore Interesting. I'm supposed to be working in Finland from late March for much of the year. From what you're saying it looks unlikey in the Spring. I even thought about staying out there for up to 3 months to see if quarantine might have ended by then but who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 15 minutes ago, jaggy said: Interesting. I'm supposed to be working in Finland from late March for much of the year. From what you're saying it looks unlikey in the Spring. I even thought about staying out there for up to 3 months to see if quarantine might have ended by then but who knows? You may get out (depending on Finland) but currently you’d struggle to get back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Norgethistle said: Current advice I’ve been given regarding an entry to the UK is no plan in foreseeable future, we are hearing nothing till autumn at earliest . I have a business critical job that needs doing in Aberdeen that I need to be on site to run, even with agreement to quarantine and 2 test prior to travel and do 10 days quarantine in UK on arrival we are being told no, not only that but if I do reach UK border I am likely to be prosecuted as the job is classed as non-essential by UK and Scottish government. No need to tag on "and Scottish government," as Scottish government cannot overrule the so-called UK government on immigration matters. Let there be no doubt: this shambles (I'm also "exiled" abroad, unable to return without basically being more or less imprisoned) is entirely the so-called UK government's doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 It would be interesting to see a list of known cases of Covid-19 among Premiership and Championship players and those in Divisions 1 and 2. We've certainly seen multiple cases announced concerning players the top two tiers in the past few months, but I can't remember ANY in the lower two tiers. And yet it's the latter that are being accused by some of being most likely to spread the virus, and denied the right to play football. Of course this might simply reflect a bias in what the media report, but it wouldn't be too much trouble for an investigative journalist to call every club and ask them. But then again, maybe the whole concept of "investigative journalist" is now obsolete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 57 minutes ago, Jaggernaut said: It would be interesting to see a list of known cases of Covid-19 among Premiership and Championship players and those in Divisions 1 and 2. We've certainly seen multiple cases announced concerning players the top two tiers in the past few months, but I can't remember ANY in the lower two tiers. And yet it's the latter that are being accused by some of being most likely to spread the virus, and denied the right to play football. Of course this might simply reflect a bias in what the media report, but it wouldn't be too much trouble for an investigative journalist to call every club and ask them. But then again, maybe the whole concept of "investigative journalist" is now obsolete. If i remember correctly Clyde have had to cancel 2 games because of covid, can't think of any others. Of course they have not been testing in the lower leagues. If we ever get this season restarted and test more cases might come to light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 6 hours ago, Jaggernaut said: No need to tag on "and Scottish government," as Scottish government cannot overrule the so-called UK government on immigration matters. Let there be no doubt: this shambles (I'm also "exiled" abroad, unable to return without basically being more or less imprisoned) is entirely the so-called UK government's doing. Scottish government has always set its own travel corridor, plus sets its own internal travel restrictions, plus has stated it will increase on UK governments requirements for isolation on any that do get in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Norgethistle said: Scottish government has always set its own travel corridor, plus sets its own internal travel restrictions, plus has stated it will increase on UK governments requirements for isolation on any that do get in So what would you like the Scottish government to do to combat the infection rate? Simply follow exactly what the UK government does? Be more relaxed? Be more strict? Edited February 12, 2021 by Jaggernaut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 44 minutes ago, Jaggernaut said: So what would you like the Scottish government to do to combat the infection rate? Simply follow exactly what the UK government does? Be more relaxed? Be more strict? This wasn’t a question or point on what they can do, this was a post on me stating that having football back is way down my list of priorities when it comes to seeing family, being able to enter the country of my passport, returning civil and employment rights. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Jaggernaut said: So what would you like the Scottish government to do to combat the infection rate? Simply follow exactly what the UK government does? Be more relaxed? Be more strict? Should the elections go ahead in May ? , if they do are the SG going to be culpable for any spike in the infection ? Total hypocrisy to suit the SG’s agenda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 Just to add to this, we’ve been informed today current travel and other restrictions here in Norway will remain in place till April 11th at earliest. Currently (Nationally) we are around 220 cases a day, Rogaland where I stay is at 23 cases in 14 days (1 today). Folk are starting to question the validity of restrictions Vs number of cases (65000 nationally / 3400 Rogaland) and actual deaths (592 nationally/ 14 in Rogaland). The most cases we have had in Rogaland is 90 in a day but since February last year rarely above 20. This is for a population of 500000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: Should the elections go ahead in May ? , if they do are the SG going to be culpable for any spike in the infection ? Total hypocrisy to suit the SG’s agenda why shouldn't they? I'm sure they will be able to social distance. Any time I vote at my local primary school there aren't many people there at the same time anyway. They can cope with large numbers of people at vaccination centres ps imagine the uproar from the opposition parties if they were cancelled? Edited February 12, 2021 by jaggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 47 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: Should the elections go ahead in May ? , if they do are the SG going to be culpable for any spike in the infection ? Total hypocrisy to suit the SG’s agenda What's that got to do with the questions about international travel restrictions? How about Prince Charles, Boris, and their entourages travelling freely up to Scotland despite "lockdown" imposed by Westminster? No "total hypocrisy" to suit the Westminster and London establishment there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, jaggy said: why shouldn't they? I'm sure they will be able to social distance. Any time I vote at my local primary school there aren't many people there at the same time anyway. They can cope with large numbers of people at vaccination centres ps imagine the uproar from the opposition parties if they were cancelled? Slightly off topic and not wanting to get onto the political debate. The big issue I see with this is cleaning the voting booths after each visit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 18 minutes ago, Jaggernaut said: What's that got to do with the questions about international travel restrictions? How about Prince Charles, Boris, and their entourages travelling freely up to Scotland despite "lockdown" imposed by Westminster? No "total hypocrisy" to suit the Westminster and London establishment there? Bit defensive, but it’s ok to have 4 million people roaming around at an election in the middle of a pandemic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, jlsarmy said: Should the elections go ahead in May ? , if they do are the SG going to be culpable for any spike in the infection ? Total hypocrisy to suit the SG’s agenda I voted in a local council election the other week. Limited number allowed in, one way traffic, throw away pen (like the bookies) or bring your own, open booth wiped down before and after, hand gel at entrance & exit. Didn't feel the least vulnerable and I'm a big fearty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Jaggernaut said: What's that got to do with the questions about international travel restrictions? How about Prince Charles, Boris, and their entourages travelling freely up to Scotland despite "lockdown" imposed by Westminster? No "total hypocrisy" to suit the Westminster and London establishment there? What about Sturgeon (and other MSP’s) traveling daily from Glasgow to Edinburgh for a debate that could easily be done by ZOOM or TEAMS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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