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Just now, Norgethistle said:

1. Yes it is, it was renamed by Scot Govt to be different. 
2. if we are approaching 2nd wave that they reckon could run for months why even consider starting this now.

 

 

Well the nhs is different in Scotland thank goodness 

Louisa Jordan deserves the accolade 

I can think of lots of reasons why this excess capacity might not be required 7 months from now

- better treatments 

- shorter patient time in hospital 

- less hospitalisations 

- vaccine roll out 

the fact that you deliberately tried to present it in a misleading way .....

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5 hours ago, Norgethistle said:

There was no national lockdowns then, closing pubs at 10 (2 hours early) makes no difference, it actually increases the congestion at taxi and bus queues. 
 

Your OK for 10’s of thousands to lose jobs with the issues that will cause? Businesses to close? Kids to miss out on one or 2 years of education? Old people to be alone for months or years on end? 

Just go to the pub, see your mates for an hour and get away home. What’s hard about that ? 
 

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5 hours ago, jlsarmy said:

Do you really think all the kids will be in their bed by 10.30 , my bet is they will go to the local supermarket, but their carry out and carry on the party , surely it’s better to do that in a controlled environment.

Unless they get to the supermarket before 10pm they won’t be able to get a carry out. And there not supposed to go to the pub this weekend anyway.

Surely it’s better for people to behave sensibly.

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4 hours ago, laukat said:

Remember when we used to look at Italy and think how could their government let that happen, why were they so unprepared?

Looks like if Governements take the right action is is possible to influence the outcome.

https://www.ft.com/content/6831be3e-2711-4ea3-8f62-daa82cf9ca11

 

The population also complied with the regulations unlike here now.

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1 hour ago, Norgethistle said:

If we have such an issue with COVID. Why has the Scottish Government awarded a contract to Aecom to decommission the Nightingale hospital at SECC starting 2nd October  ending 12 April 2021 at a cost of nearly £500000?

They had to as part of the terms of taking on the lease of the site. The Scottish Government have the lease until January but in reality will probably extend it until at least April. Decomissioning company needs to be in place to decomission as soon as th Scottish Government ends the lease so you can expect if the Scottish Government extend the lease the Aecom contract will run to 3 months post the lease extension

The facility is currently being stepped up as a west of scotland centre to bring down outpatient backlogs and to avoid people attending acute facilities where they are more likely to come in contact with patients that have the virus.  Its also currently being used to train medical staff so they can get extra staff in place for an extra staff needed at current acute facilities. It still has the beds etc in it so can easily be stood up as extra capacity if required.

Conversley the NHS Nightingale facilities in NHS England were closed and are now having to rapidly reopen at a considerable cost such as rebuying equipment, reinstalling equipment etc

Which Government do you think had the right approach?

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1 hour ago, Norgethistle said:

If we have such an issue with COVID. Why has the Scottish Government awarded a contract to Aecom to decommission the Nightingale hospital at SECC starting 2nd October  ending 12 April 2021 at a cost of nearly £500000?

 

8 minutes ago, laukat said:

They had to as part of the terms of taking on the lease of the site. The Scottish Government have the lease until January but in reality will probably extend it until at least April. Decomissioning company needs to be in place to decomission as soon as th Scottish Government ends the lease so you can expect if the Scottish Government extend the lease the Aecom contract will run to 3 months post the lease extension

The facility is currently being stepped up as a west of scotland centre to bring down outpatient backlogs and to avoid people attending acute facilities where they are more likely to come in contact with patients that have the virus.  Its also currently being used to train medical staff so they can get extra staff in place for an extra staff needed at current acute facilities. It still has the beds etc in it so can easily be stood up as extra capacity if required.

Conversley the NHS Nightingale facilities in NHS England were closed and are now having to rapidly reopen at a considerable cost such as rebuying equipment, reinstalling equipment etc

Which Government do you think had the right approach?

Why let the truth get in the way of a good story ?

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1 hour ago, Lenziejag said:

I don’t think anybody has said shutdown indefinitely, but now isn’t the time to do as we please. 
We have no idea how this and the flu are going to mix. We have some idea that some people have ongoing health issues after recovering from Covid.

Did you think anything should have been done at the start or is it just now that we should abandon restrictions?

The actions must reflect the situation and not cause more harm than the threat, I don’t believe that’s the case.

Governments need to be questioned, held to account and be able to demonstrate in public why they are doing and based on clear data from more than one source or from one camp of advisors. This isn’t happening and too many people are just nodding and agreeing after feeding off the propaganda of (false) doomsday scenarios being peddled by media and governments.

The day we stop questioning, they are not held to account we slip from a democracy to a totalitarian society 

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1 hour ago, Norgethistle said:

The actions must reflect the situation and not cause more harm than the threat, I don’t believe that’s the case.

Governments need to be questioned, held to account and be able to demonstrate in public why they are doing and based on clear data from more than one source or from one camp of advisors. This isn’t happening and too many people are just nodding and agreeing after feeding off the propaganda of (false) doomsday scenarios being peddled by media and governments.

The day we stop questioning, they are not held to account we slip from a democracy to a totalitarian society 

Every govt is doing this ? Or just Scotland and England.  Wales and NI are doing the same. Govts of every political hue.There is no political gain for the govts doing this. 


The Scottish Govt hold a briefing just about everyday and are questioned by the press everyday. Are they just kowtowing to the govt ?

Are there really any group of scientists that think restrictions aren’t a good idea. I haven’t heard any alternative scientists saying anything other than the restrictions aren’t going far enough.

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54 minutes ago, Fawlty Towers said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54299338

It will be interesting to see the response from the Scottish Government to this.

Unfortunately the Scottish Government financial powers pretty much eliminate any possibility of them filling the black hole in football income or more generally sport revenues.T he same is also true of funding hospitality and Tourism as well as other sectors that can't get get their income streams re-established.

The only government with the power to provide funding on this scale is the UK Government. Yesteday's annoucement from the chancellor was not the re-instatement of the eraly days fulough scheme required but instead a further watering down of financial support with a longer end date. It also forces businesses to open to get help unless they want to take on loans. 

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16 minutes ago, Lenziejag said:

Every govt is doing this ? Or just Scotland and England.  Wales and NI are doing the same. Govts of every political hue.There is no political gain for the govts doing this. 


The Scottish Govt hold a briefing just about everyday and are questioned by the press everyday. Are they just kowtowing to the govt ?

Are there really any group of scientists that think restrictions aren’t a good idea. I haven’t heard any alternative scientists saying anything other than the restrictions aren’t going far enough.

I think this is the key part of why the Scottish Government are generally percieved to be performing better in response to the pandemic. Its not that the Scottish Government is making the right decisions it is that they are willing to be questioned every day on them. Today's breifing there were perfectly understandible questions and concerns on how the return of students had been handled by the Scottish Government and by Universities. I have child just starting University so appreciated the more detailed explanation of what they were advising students and what thinking lay behind it. Also appreciated the honesty of saying that they don't always get it right and some decisions have conseuqences.

The UK Government has been completely absent and unwilling to answer any questions so the impression is given that they don't have confidence in explaining their thinking and thats its motivated by other interests.

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