jags on tour Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 Will Dundee have the money to come and buy him now and will we just reject it to piss them off? Got to think if Mwell wanted him they would’ve put in an offer after selling Watt, maybe the manager didn’t fancy him after seeing him in person last Friday? I’m almost sort of laughing at him going to Dundee, fair play he’s got a 3 yr deal and will be on higher wages but he could have done so much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 42 minutes ago, jags on tour said: Will Dundee have the money to come and buy him now and will we just reject it to piss them off? Got to think if Mwell wanted him they would’ve put in an offer after selling Watt, maybe the manager didn’t fancy him after seeing him in person last Friday? I’m almost sort of laughing at him going to Dundee, fair play he’s got a 3 yr deal and will be on higher wages but he could have done so much better. They signed Harkins on 2 different occasions on a 3 year deal - both times they had to release him after 2 years along with a whole load of players because they had went into administration. 3 years at Dundee means little to them when they have a habit of running out of money 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter of '63 Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 I suspect like most Thistle fans, I am not quite convinced by Rudden...he has potential but needs to work on his game. I think the difference in each place in the League at the end of the season is about £75,000 so I don't think there is necessarily a clear financial gain in selling him now...particularly as there is no remotely obvious candidate to replace him. I am also not convinced we are good enough to win the League...but I would be disappointed if we don't make the playoffs. I have rather been hoping that we would have a play-off game with Dundee...it would be sweet Kharma to relegate them...and then to send them an email. Would we want Rudden in our side in a play-off game against Dundee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG1970 Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 Can’t blame him if he’s signing for more money, perhaps more money that we could offer if we were in the premier league. How many fans would turn down an enhanced contract in an employment that could see you unemployable at any time due to injury. But given Dundees position and their recent financial history it is a risk. But if you’re his age and presented with pound signs then not surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Winter of '63 said: I suspect like most Thistle fans, I am not quite convinced by Rudden...he has potential but needs to work on his game. I think the difference in each place in the League at the end of the season is about £75,000 so I don't think there is necessarily a clear financial gain in selling him now...particularly as there is no remotely obvious candidate to replace him. I am also not convinced we are good enough to win the League...but I would be disappointed if we don't make the playoffs. I have rather been hoping that we would have a play-off game with Dundee...it would be sweet Kharma to relegate them...and then to send them an email. Would we want Rudden in our side in a play-off game against Dundee? We would be better posting a letter. E mail can go missing at Dundee, i believe. Edited January 21, 2022 by Auld Jag 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 I know what some are saying about more money and obviously most people would go if that is the case. But at 21 and still with a lot to learn imo another season at Firhill would have done him no harm. He would probably be a more consistent player by then and get a bigger and better move. Now that everybody knows i feel the best thing would be for Thistle and Dundee to do a deal and he left before the end of this window. We of course need a replacement as well. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, JAG1970 said: Can’t blame him if he’s signing for more money, perhaps more money that we could offer if we were in the premier league. How many fans would turn down an enhanced contract in an employment that could see you unemployable at any time due to injury. But given Dundees position and their recent financial history it is a risk. But if you’re his age and presented with pound signs then not surprising. Zak should sack his agent if that’s the best he can get , Dundee have now lost their last 6 SPFL games on the bounce , doubtful if McPake will be there this season/ next season So in fact I believe Zak has probably signed a pre - contract with no idea who the manager will be next season. Maybe McCall was right about Zak’s IQ !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 Kinda surprised at the club of his choice but I'd be just as surprised if his PCA clause doesn't have a relegation opt out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: Kinda surprised at the club of his choice but I'd be just as surprised if his PCA clause doesn't have a relegation opt out. I’ll be surprised if he’s still at Firhill at the end of January. With Jason Cummings going to Australia and doubts over Leigh Griffiths, I think Dundee need Zak now , hopefully we can get a few quid for him . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 20 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: I’ll be surprised if he’s still at Firhill at the end of January. With Jason Cummings going to Australia and doubts over Leigh Griffiths, I think Dundee need Zak now , hopefully we can get a few quid for him . If we were going to get a few quid I think we would have accepted an offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) At the end of the day, would you be worried if we faced Rudden next season ? I wouldn’t. Tunji would have him in his pocket. Edited January 22, 2022 by Dick Dastardly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 I just hope McCall knew this was happening & has a plan in place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End 2 Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 34 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: At the end of the day, would you be worried if we faced Rudden next season ? I wouldn’t. Tunji would have him in his pocket. I am of the same view. While he scored a few goals, he hasn't exactly wowed me, like say Tiffoney. Dundee can have him. Best of luck to him if he is earning far better money, but I think we have a couple of players who can cover for him until we bring someone else in. Maybe hus agent filled his head with utter guff, but he didn't seem interested in prolonging his stay at Firhill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 17 minutes ago, Garscube Road End 2 said: I am of the same view. While he scored a few goals, he hasn't exactly wowed me, like say Tiffoney. Dundee can have him. Best of luck to him if he is earning far better money, but I think we have a couple of players who can cover for him until we bring someone else in. Maybe hus agent filled his head with utter guff, but he didn't seem interested in prolonging his stay at Firhill. Exactly GRE2. I don’t think it’s any great loss. He’d already mentally left Firhill, so best he goes quickly and we can get a replacement who wants to play for us. Thanks for the goals, Zak. But don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 I hope he's away this month. Wouldn't be that concerned if a non striker signed a PCA. When the player's main job is to score and create goals then that's another matter. Even if Rudden tries his best every missed chance of goal will be questioned. In turn that could produce an adverse effect on the player. Maybe even knock on and upset other players. That said we're going to rely even more on Graham. Not just for goals but to play the full match more often. McIver brings some qualities to the team but leading the line ain't one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifexile Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 With the pre contract rules clubs and to an extent players are in a difficult position. Will Zac bust a gut and potentially risk injury between now and the end of the season? If he plays today and has a nightmare that will be the accusation. Similarly will McColl want to risk playing someone who isn't 100% committed? I'd be tempted to leave him out altogether for the rest of the season if a deal can't be done with Dundee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/aaron-cervantes-joins-on-7-day-emergency-loan/ Tilting at windmills? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulguy jag Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 17 minutes ago, fifexile said: With the pre contract rules clubs and to an extent players are in a difficult position. Will Zac bust a gut and potentially risk injury between now and the end of the season? If he plays today and has a nightmare that will be the accusation. Similarly will McColl want to risk playing someone who isn't 100% committed? I'd be tempted to leave him out altogether for the rest of the season if a deal can't be done with Dundee. Exactly, its been well documented that he has sat on the fence and refused to sign a new contract. The club gave him a two and a half year deal and offered an extension to further his career at Firhill . No loyalty at all and big bucks again turns the head. McCall should drop him . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Gekantawa Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 51 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: I hope he's away this month. Wouldn't be that concerned if a non striker signed a PCA. When the player's main job is to score and create goals then that's another matter. Even if Rudden tries his best every missed chance of goal will be questioned. In turn that could produce an adverse effect on the player. Maybe even knock on and upset other players. This was never a problem with Erskine. No particular reason it should be a problem with Rudden either. Most professionals (and amateurs for that matter) want to play their best and I’ve never seen anything from Rudden to suggest his attitude is wrong. If he’s still around we should play him as we did with Erskine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 Unless Rudden shows a bad attitude i feel just dropping him now would be pointless. We will still be paying his wages. As i said in an earlier post the best thing now would be for him to go to Dundee before the current window shuts. Should the authorities change this rule ? During the Hearts game in midweek Souttar got booed every time he touched the ball. I heard them say that in England they have to wait until there is only a month left on their contract, before they can sign for another team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Gekantawa Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Auld Jag said: I heard them say that in England they have to wait until there is only a month left on their contract, before they can sign for another team. It’s an uncertain enough career already without adding another layer of uncertainty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Duke Gekantawa said: It’s an uncertain enough career already without adding another layer of uncertainty Agree, but it could stop any possible conflict of interest that could arise during a season and also some fans turning against players. It is a difficult one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 46 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/aaron-cervantes-joins-on-7-day-emergency-loan/ Tilting at windmills? I think we won’t see him on the pitch in 7 days. He may as well check into the Hotel California and never leave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen1876 Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 hour ago, fifexile said: With the pre contract rules clubs and to an extent players are in a difficult position. Will Zac bust a gut and potentially risk injury between now and the end of the season? If he plays today and has a nightmare that will be the accusation. Similarly will McColl want to risk playing someone who isn't 100% committed? I'd be tempted to leave him out altogether for the rest of the season if a deal can't be done with Dundee. I suppose the opposite example of that is Doc, who signed a pre-contract with us, came to Firhill with Ayr a couple of weeks later and bossed the midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Auld Jag said: Agree, but it could stop any possible conflict of interest that could arise during a season and also some fans turning against players. It is a difficult one. Totally agree , what happens if we play Dundee in the play offs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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