JAG1970 Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: We might have won that game if we had played it on the ground. And we can't really blame the surface as we've already played on it last month. Hellish watching football on that pitch but no excuse as QP were by far the better organized. Weather played a part in QP's favour but that's because of the way we went about things. Typical McCall, brings on a second striker and fails to play anybody wide right. Takes about 8 or 9 minutes before he changes things. No excuses for that. Seriously concerned about that… we might have a good squad on paper but if we can’t organise them…. Hopefully it’s a case of some of the new guys getting up to speed but we should have enough about us not to get rolled over by QP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fearchar Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 Is there some kind of groupthink affecting this set of managers? I've forgotten how many times we've played Hamilton Accies on plastic in the past, but I certainly haven't forgotten seeing at New Douglas Park how a team has to play on plastic - keeping the ball moving between players and, when out of possession, not allowing the opposition any time to dwell on the ball. What does our lot do? Pick the slowest player we have, Graham, to lead the line and leave the fastest players, Tiffoney and Weston, on the bench. All of Stevie Lawless' skills won't count for much if he's abandoned by his teammates to be bullied off the ball by bigger, stronger players. Then the defence seemed to stand off all the time in the box and on the wings, allowing the QP players to send the ball into our penalty area. The substitutes were effective but - typical of McCall - much too late. Some other traits seem to be returning, too, such as throwing in to the opposition. Although Mitchell couldn't be blamed for today's performance, after last week's farce he should have ceded his position to Sneddon - just to make clear that failure has consequences. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 16 minutes ago, Garscube Road End 2 said: I was myself born before JFK 's CIA hit. But I was on the grassy knoll!! Love it @Garscube Road End 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfirejkl Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, Garscube Road End 2 said: I have no idea what you think is a good shape. On and off the park is is positively pear shaped. GRE2 - I was definitely just referring to on the park - and results at that shenanigans off the park are just sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Fearchar said: Is there some kind of groupthink affecting this set of managers? I've forgotten how many times we've played Hamilton Accies on plastic in the past, but I certainly haven't forgotten seeing at New Douglas Park how a team has to play on plastic - keeping the ball moving between players and, when out of possession, not allowing the opposition any time to dwell on the ball. What does our lot do? Pick the slowest player we have, Graham, to lead the line and leave the fastest players, Tiffoney and Weston, on the bench. All of Stevie Lawless' skills won't count for much if he's abandoned by his teammates to be bullied off the ball by bigger, stronger players. Then the defence seemed to stand off all the time in the box and on the wings, allowing the QP players to send the ball into our penalty area. The substitutes were effective but - typical of McCall - much too late. Some other traits seem to be returning, too, such as throwing in to the opposition. Although Mitchell couldn't be blamed for today's performance, after last week's farce he should have ceded his position to Sneddon - just to make clear that failure has consequences. Just as a comparison, Mitchell has lost on average just under 2 goals per game, Sneddon 0.5. I know it is a simple comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, Fawlty Towers said: Could be worse - we could be Manchester United! Ooft that is quite a scoreline at the moment Martin. Definitely work to be done by Ten Hag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfirejkl Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 18 minutes ago, Fawlty Towers said: Could be worse - we could be Manchester United! Sitting here thinking the same thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 Just now, Lenziejag said: Just as a comparison, Mitchell has lost on average just under 2 goals per game, Sneddon 0.5. I know it is a simple comparison. Simple but effective. Any thoughts @javeajag ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westertonjagfan Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 51 minutes ago, ChiThistle said: How was the turnout today? Didn’t see how many we brought to Ochilview. It was really busy today. Lots of hope at the start of the game and folks out for a good day in the sunshine. Wish I had stayed at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow & Redneck Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 (edited) My worry always was that QP have the resources, ambition, and organisation to become Glasgow's 3rd club. Heaven knows they have a far more illustrious history and tradition than we can ever hope for. Now, that reality really could come to pass. I've tried to give McCall the benefit of the doubt, but unfortunately he's part of the problem. An absolute dinosaur who doesn't seem to realise that football has moved on a lot since 2005. The squad is talented one - it needs someone to get the best out of them. Edited August 13, 2022 by Yellow & Redneck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 Totally agree @Yellow & Redneck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG1970 Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 Just now, Yellow & Redneck said: My worry always was that QP have the resources, ambition, and organisation to become Glasgow's 3rd club. Heaven knows they have a far more illustrious history and tradition than we can ever hope for. Now, that reality really could come to pass. I share your concern… and the current shenanigans over the transfer of Colin Weir’s shares isn’t going to help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow & Redneck Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, JAG1970 said: I share your concern… and the current shenanigans over the transfer of Colin Weir’s shares isn’t going to help Agree completely. The club from the board to the management team is just rank rotten in my opinion. Nepotism at every single level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Yellow & Redneck said: Agree completely. The club from the board to the management team is just rank rotten in my opinion. Nepotism at every single level. The board don’t pick the team or set the tactics. That goes down to the management team. What the board are guilty of is failing to acknowledge an manager living in the past and taking the necessary action. This team can play much better but only rarely do. edit to add …. 1 league win in last 6 ! Edited August 13, 2022 by Dick Dastardly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 37 minutes ago, Yellow & Redneck said: My worry always was that QP have the resources, ambition, and organisation to become Glasgow's 3rd club. Heaven knows they have a far more illustrious history and tradition than we can ever hope for. Now, that reality really could come to pass. I've tried to give McCall the benefit of the doubt, but unfortunately he's part of the problem. An absolute dinosaur who doesn't seem to realise that football has moved on a lot since 2005. The squad is talented one - it needs someone to get the best out of them. someone on forum a while back (may have been @Garscube Road End 2) touched upon how quickly QP may overtake us. Seems to be happening already. A new manager and ideas needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted August 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 Outmuscled and outfought by a hungrier team. That's the first & last time I'll start a match thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted August 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 6 hours ago, Lenziejag said: We did the same when we won the playoff vs Peterhead. Didn’t we get promoted to the SPL the very next season ? It’s not a foregone conclusion, but if we have aspirations of promotion this season we really need to keep momentum going and win this game. We didn't get promoted to the SPL for another 7 years after Peterhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 1 hour ago, elevenone said: someone on forum a while back (may have been @Garscube Road End 2) touched upon how quickly QP may overtake us. Seems to be happening already. A new manager and ideas needed. Yes this. QP are ambitious and they showed that today. We are stuck in the doldrums trying to play the same kind of football that cost us dear last season (that we blamed on the pitch). On paper this year we have a better squad. But do we have a manager capable of getting the best out of them? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lenziejag said: Just as a comparison, Mitchell has lost on average just under 2 goals per game, Sneddon 0.5. I know it is a simple comparison. Edited August 13, 2022 by sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milhouse Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Yellow & Redneck said: My worry always was that QP have the resources, ambition, and organisation to become Glasgow's 3rd club. Heaven knows they have a far more illustrious history and tradition than we can ever hope for. Now, that reality really could come to pass. Calm down FFS. They have about 300 fans, havn't won a major trophy since the 1890s. They aren't going to magic up fans from somewhere in Glasgow. At worst we have a diehard fan base of 2000-3000, which is 5-10x theirs. Results are going to be more even from now on, simply because there is currently a lot of money behind them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow & Redneck Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, milhouse said: Calm down FFS. They have about 300 fans, havn't won a major trophy since the 1890s. They aren't going to magic up fans from somewhere in Glasgow. At worst we have a diehard fan base of 2000-3000, which is 5-10x theirs. Results are going to be more even from now on, simply because there is currently a lot of money behind them. And how does that invalidate my point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milhouse Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Yellow & Redneck said: And how does that invalidate my point? They may be old (9 more years than us) but I wouldn't argue that they have a more illustrious history than ours - in the 1890s maybe. Their fanbase won't grow significantly, to match the size of ours. They are getting by by being bankrolled currently. Edited August 13, 2022 by milhouse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 We cannot control what Queens Park do, it is up to those in charge to make sure Partick Thistle is performing to its maximum on and off the pitch. Soon we will have new owners with their "fan centric" plan so we will need to see what that brings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfirejkl Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 26 minutes ago, milhouse said: They may be old (9 more years than us) but I wouldn't argue that they have a more illustrious history than ours - in the 1890s maybe. Their fanbase won't grow significantly, to match the size of ours. They are getting by by being bankrolled currently. I agree. That’s why I am always curious about season tickets. It’s an excellent measure of the health of the team. Obviously a promotion or relegation will influence it however most clubs have a ingrained support cultivated over generations. Many on this forum have been life long fans. Queens Park are doing their thing and it will be interesting to see how things shake up when they get their stadium in order. I wish them well. We have to get our own house in order starting with ownership. It could be a very bright future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted August 14, 2022 Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 13 hours ago, jaggy said: We didn't get promoted to the SPL for another 7 years after Peterhead My mistake - I was thinking of 2000/01 and 2001/02 double promotions. Although I think they were both as champions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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