javeajag Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 49 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: And also unable to be proven one way or the other. No one knows what would have happened if McCall had stayed. Sure….but the appointment of Doolan is predicated on the basis that he will do better than McCall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Lenziejag said: The point I was trying to make was that the rationale that Kris Doolan has more chance of achieving the objective of promotion than Ian McCall is cloud Cuckoo Cuckoo land. So they should come clean and tell us what has happened. Ian McCall has said himself he had no chance. Doolan can’t have less chance than that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, javeajag said: Sure….but the appointment of Doolan is predicated on the basis that he will do better than McCall But that can’t be measured as we have no way of knowing how McCall would have done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: But that can’t be measured as we have no way of knowing how McCall would have done Well ….McCall was supposed to get us first or second ….you would expect if Doolan doesn’t get into the play offs he has failed and at then you woukd ask yourself what was the point of sacking McCall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, javeajag said: Well ….McCall was supposed to get us first or second ….you would expect if Doolan doesn’t get into the play offs he has failed and at then you woukd ask yourself what was the point of sacking McCall Not necessarily. What we don’t yet know is how long “interim” is intended to be a what Dools is supposed to achieve. It could be that the plan is to bring in someone next week, but what if that goes wrong and despite best intentions he is here to the end of the season. In that case it is not Dools that has failed, but the board. However as they are buggering off at the end of the season anyway, that is probably academic. (other scenarios are available) Don’t diss the Dools ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 hour ago, MonehJags said: Cant argue with much of that to be honest. The signing of Tiffoney probably saved him from the sack when we were in the league below. Ian Holloway would make an interesting appointment.......... Sorry to Burst your Bubble - but where is the Money Going to come from for anyone beyond Dools to the end of the Season ie "Significant Financial Challanges " we are still paying the existing Management team ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Dick Dastardly said: Not necessarily. What we don’t yet know is how long “interim” is intended to be a what Dools is supposed to achieve. It could be that the plan is to bring in someone next week, but what if that goes wrong and despite best intentions he is here to the end of the season. In that case it is not Dools that has failed, but the board. However as they are buggering off at the end of the season anyway, that is probably academic. (other scenarios are available) Don’t diss the Dools ! With What Cash ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Jordanhill Jag said: With What Cash ? I don’t know what is planned in the budget and what new revenue streams might have come in. I just suggested a possible scenario (other scenarios are available) Sounds like you already want Doolan to fail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 52 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: And also unable to be proven one way or the other. No one knows what would have happened if McCall had stayed. Others have early in the thread used the stats from the Jags archive to show that McCall wasn't anything more than a middling championship manager as he had a ppg of 1.398.If we are going to use that stat to support his dismissal we surely are hoping that a change increases that ppg. If his long term average of 1.398 is used for the remaining 13 games we would get another 18 points. His ppg for this season so far is just under 1.44 and if we use that it puts it closer to getting another 19 points this season. If you look at just this season so far he is at 1.79ppg and away is 1 ppg. We have 5 home games left and 8 away which if those averages continue would get us nearly another 17 points. So I thinks it fair to say that McCall had stayed he would have got another 17 to 19 points minimum. Other factors such as now having a fit squad, having an extra defender on board, potentially Ibrox showed how we should setup away from home etc indicate that he may have achieved more than that. Hopefully Doolan/new manager can exceed that. Perhaps someone can do what Archie did in 12/13 and keep winning home games whilst making us more able to pick up points away from home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 On 2/15/2023 at 2:56 PM, javeajag said: On a 12 month rolling contract that will be march 2024 before the savings kick in ( assuming none of them get jobs before then ) My experience of rolling contracts in the real world is that a notice period will be included. & this will apply before the 'anniversary' is reached if certain criteria have not been made. One example would be not conforming to an agreed standard, which appears to be the case here. So 'savings' may kick in a lot earlier than March 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 37 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: Not necessarily. What we don’t yet know is how long “interim” is intended to be a what Dools is supposed to achieve. It could be that the plan is to bring in someone next week, but what if that goes wrong and despite best intentions he is here to the end of the season. In that case it is not Dools that has failed, but the board. However as they are buggering off at the end of the season anyway, that is probably academic. (other scenarios are available) Don’t diss the Dools ! We don’t have any money to bring anyone in he will be here to the end of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jimbo said: My experience of rolling contracts in the real world is that a notice period will be included. & this will apply before the 'anniversary' is reached if certain criteria have not been made. One example would be not conforming to an agreed standard, which appears to be the case here. So 'savings' may kick in a lot earlier than March 2024. We would pay the notice so still no savings till after that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 46 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: I don’t know what is planned in the budget and what new revenue streams might have come in. I just suggested a possible scenario (other scenarios are available) Sounds like you already want Doolan to fail I dont - Im simply pointing out that its unlikely there will be another Management Team this Season - I like Dools he is a Good Guy and despite my frustration of how they treated the previous Manager - I wish Dools Success Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 On 2/15/2023 at 3:10 PM, Dick Dastardly said: What is not to understand about an unemployed man accepting a circa £50k per year job offer ? Just my opinion, but i would have thought it better for his career to try and get a job as a manager, even if it was in a lower league to build his reputation again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 On 2/15/2023 at 12:03 PM, Jaggernaut said: Maybe because he loves (or loved?) the club and wanted a job..... See my reply to @Dick Dastardly on the same subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 Does anyone with links to players know how they feel about the sackings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanieD Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64669673 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG1970 Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, JeanieD said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64669673 Typically modest from Dools.. Good luck for tomorrow, hopefully the players will come out with a point to prove (3 would be better). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 23 hours ago, javeajag said: Sure….but the appointment of Doolan is predicated on the basis that he will do better than McCall Not sure that’s right , all Dools had been asked to do is take care of the team just now , think “ interim “ is the key word . For all we know , a new manager could be named and Dools goes back to the Academy. The timing was wrong re McCall but a change was needed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, JAG1970 said: Typically modest from Dools.. Good luck for tomorrow, hopefully the players will come out with a point to prove (3 would be better). Yep, showing class. Something arguably lacking in the present PTFC Board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, jlsarmy said: Not sure that’s right , all Dools had been asked to do is take care of the team just now , think “ interim “ is the key word . For all we know , a new manager could be named and Dools goes back to the Academy. The timing was wrong re McCall but a change was needed . Interim your right is an elastic word…..it could be next week or the next 4 months ….though interim in terms of the current board looks like six months and the interim chairman is there till the end if the season…. .though I’m at a loss as to where the money is coming from for a new manager since we have no money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 3 hours ago, JAG1970 said: Typically modest from Dools.. Good luck for tomorrow, hopefully the players will come out with a point to prove (3 would be better). Modest yes…..but ‘thrown in at the deep end ‘ …..doesn’t sound very ‘strategic ‘ ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, javeajag said: Modest yes…..but ‘thrown in at the deep end ‘ …..doesn’t sound very ‘strategic ‘ ! I think the "strategy" is to replace the management team. Asking Kris to step in was an interim measure. What else could he call it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, scotty said: I think the "strategy" is to replace the management team. Asking Kris to step in was an interim measure. What else could he call it? An opportunity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 2 hours ago, jlsarmy said: Not sure that’s right , all Dools had been asked to do is take care of the team just now , think “ interim “ is the key word . For all we know , a new manager could be named and Dools goes back to the Academy. The timing was wrong re McCall but a change was needed . Read the statement on the Finances - despite circa £275K from Rangers we still have “significant” financial challenges - doesn't sound to me like there is any new management team in the near future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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