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1 hour ago, Jimbo said:

Really disappointing but important that Doolan learns from tonight.  Milne's injury didn't help but against 10 men you make the pitch as wide as possible & we didn't.  Thought substituting both Turner & Bannigan was a mistake. Neither Fitzpatrick nor Mullen are midfielders & it smacked of panic

 

Turner was very poor tonight and Bannigan was beyond dreadful to be fair so I can see why they were taking off

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12 hours ago, JAG1970 said:

Brownlie made a mistake, but he’s part of a back line thats been very tight recently. His performance wasn’t anywhere near as bad as the persistent wastefulness of our attacking players. 

He’s been unfit for a large part of the season, shockingly so for a so called professional footballer.
Yes the attacking players were dreadful too but even if they don’t score we could have still got a point - Brownlie lost us that.  

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I thought ICT defended really well and sometimes shit happens in this league. Brilliant save by their goalie in first half. From that point on pretty much knew it wasn't going to be our night.

At least the manager tried to change things even if it didn't work out.

Way too soon to be passing judgement.

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The difference for me was that Doolan at least tried something different by putting on some more attacking players. OK so it didn’t work, but it wasn’t an attempt to keep trying the same thing. 
Special mention to Brian Graham’s first touch which must be the longest I have seen.

ICT were bigger and stronger and, like the first game up there, bullied us off the ball, especially when 11v11

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That was utter mince. Its easy to forget sometimes that playing football is their profession. You can accept the odd poor touch or misplaced pass, but to do it consistently throughout the full game is inexcusable. Honestly, the Brownlie (an absolute bomb scare) mistake was symptomatic and summed our slackness up. He looks like he's wearing concrete slippers as does a few of his team mates. Slow and laboured is probably the best description. 

Doolan stated before the game that we had been on a good run and kept a few clean sheets, we have also not scored in our last three games now. It has shades of last season as we stuttering over the line to finish fourth. You wonder what might have been this season as there havent been any outstanding opponents either. 

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That result had been coming sadly. Our defence has been a lot tighter but the goals have dried up, as soon as a team scored against us we were always going to be up against it. 

Our total lack of shots on goal when they went down to ten men summed it up. Give it to Tiffoney and hope he can magic something up seemed to be the order of the day. Or pass it wide to McMillan and let him hit the first man/cross the ball out.

Brownlie made a mistake, he's not alone. However, his condition for a professional footballer is awful and has been for most of the season. I take in to account he had been out for a lengthy spell but he's been fit for around 6 months now and is still overweight. Why has this not been sorted?

Sadly our team just isn't quite as good as we'd hoped at the start of the season. Sure, we can be the best team in the league when it suits but far too often we are turned over when it's time to roll the sleeves up. 

We have some decent players in the squad, some who have been excellent for us but are now struggling to produce for a full season.

You can't argue with what Graham has done for Thistle but his performances lately haven't been great and his first touch last night meant that we had zero opportunity to get the bodies forward. He's far from alone at being guilty of this mind you. 

I've spoken about Fitzpatrick before but until his attitude changes, I wouldn't be bringing him off the bench. A carbon copy of the Dundee game, first touch gives the ball away as he stands and lets his teammates chase back. 

Doolan has a big job on his hands, we'll need much better quality if we are to compete next year given who will be in the league (barring some miracle that we go up through the playoffs). Sadly I'm not sure we'll have a decent budget for a major overhaul.

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Were don't do corners do we. 

Must have had about...well I don't know a lot in that second half. My mates all bet on weird stuff like who will have a shot on target or who will get a red card etc,  but I bet you would have won a fortune if you could have put a bet on the exact amount of corners we had.

But I say that with my reflection on the game. We pummelled them with enthusiasm but lacked a killer touch. 

I reckon at least 20 corner kicks

I think the heavy pitch didn't suit us trying to pass it into the net. But I can't say it was a bad performance or criticise effort. Inverness defended really well. It was also 1-0 not 4-0 so we move on and keep battling for that play-off spot.

 

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11 hours ago, Jimmy McD said:

Sorry guys, last time I start a match thread, that was terrible tonight, glad I am staying up here and not having to drive back down tonight .. Also last away game for me..

Always prefer to hear from folk that actually attended the game rather than relying too much on those making judgement by TV/Stream etc. Didn't go myself last night but I'm glad to hear my view of the game didn't differ. It looked indeed, terrible. :) 

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11 hours ago, Third Lanark said:

Turner was very poor tonight and Bannigan was beyond dreadful to be fair so I can see why they were taking off

Don't disagree about Bannigan but it was clear (at least to me) that there was little or no guile to our game which made defending easier for ICT. IMO we only have 2 players who can regularly see/pick a pass to beat a defence - Turner & Lawless - & Stevie had already been subbed. 

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Another flop, another disappointment, especially as we could have gone just 4 points behind QP. 

I've stated this several times during this largely boring season, but I'll do it again, given that several other folk have commented on it in this thread:

Far too much completely useless tippy-tappy sideways and backwards passing, especially when there is absolutely no need for it. Five or six of those passes, and we are not one inch further forward, while the entire opposition team can comfortably sit back and wait until somebody finally tries a forward pass or, God forbid, even tries to run forward (fat chance), or until the almost inevitable fruitless punt. Almost the entire team is guilty of this kind of garbage, but Bannigan is the specialist: a 5-yard sideways pass (often after a cursory attempt to move forward but then of course checking back), then runs over to the guy he just passed to and gets the ball back from him, and repeats.  Checking back is what most of our players do best when (if they manage to) receive a pass. The aim seems to be to get rid of the ball, and the easiest way out is to pass it back.

Our team has been guilty of this non-football since the time of McNamara, who at least had some exciting players who could eventually show some speed and flair.

The team is too old: in several players not only the legs but the coordination have gone, and too many of the others are nothing but colourless journeymen, always will be. Wherever we end up, a huge clear-out is needed. I don't go along with the notion that we have a good squad; we have a bang average or lower than average squad in terms of ability. In fact I'd even say that maybe they deserve some credit in that they are punching above their weight, and little more can realistically be expected of such a collection of odds and sods.

Oh and please spare me the notion that Turner is some kind of wonderful dead ball specialist..... dreadful corners and free kicks, with absolutely no sign of any kind of threat from them. Time after time after time. And offers little else to compensate.

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11 minutes ago, Jaggernaut said:

...I've stated this several times during this largely boring season, but I'll do it again, given that several other folk have commented on it in this thread:

Far too much completely useless tippy-tappy sideways and backwards passing, especially when there is absolutely no need for it. Five or six of those passes, and we are not one inch further forward, while the entire opposition team can comfortably sit back and wait until somebody finally tries a forward pass or, God forbid, even tries to run forward (fat chance), or until the almost inevitable fruitless punt. Almost the entire team is guilty of this kind of garbage, but Bannigan is the specialist: a 5-yard sideways pass (often after a cursory attempt to move forward but then of course checking back), then runs over to the guy he just passed to and gets the ball back from him, and repeats.  Checking back is what most of our players do best when (if they manage to) receive a pass. The aim seems to be to get rid of the ball, and the easiest way out is to pass it back.

Our team has been guilty of this non-football since the time of McNamara, who at least had some exciting players who could eventually show some speed and flair....

Not only that, but the sideways and backwards passing when the other team is ahead is simply poor game management, as it runs down the clock, increasing their advantage. When it gets near to the end of a half or full-time, then it's suicidal: at those times in the game, the ball has to be put into the opposition box, or the advantage of possession is just being given away. How often do we see this, though? The tactics at these points in the game are self-defeating. (Louis van Gaal understood that in his last game in charge of the Netherlands, when he subbed to introduce tall players and told his team to keep putting high balls into the box - not usual for his teams, but appropriate in the circumstances.)

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17 hours ago, Third Lanark said:

He’s been unfit for a large part of the season, shockingly so for a so called professional footballer.
Yes the attacking players were dreadful too but even if they don’t score we could have still got a point - Brownlie lost us that.  

Not disagreeing with your point about his fitness but we should have been able to recover from his mistake especially against 10 men for almost the whole of the second half. He made one mistake but our forward play was littered with mistakes, predictable and relatively easy for ICT to deal with. Therefore those guys are as much responsible for the defeat as he is. Indeed Docherty’s post match interview was more honest than Dools - that our attacking play is an issue and needs fixing. 

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2 hours ago, JAG1970 said:

Not disagreeing with your point about his fitness but we should have been able to recover from his mistake especially against 10 men for almost the whole of the second half. He made one mistake but our forward play was littered with mistakes, predictable and relatively easy for ICT to deal with. Therefore those guys are as much responsible for the defeat as he is. Indeed Docherty’s post match interview was more honest than Dools - that our attacking play is an issue and needs fixing. 

Do agree our attacking element was very weak and has to be said has been last couple of games.

on reflection that was a very fair point you made that Brownlie has been part of a defence that conceded 1 goal in about 6 games and as you have rightly mentioned mate our main problems are at the other end

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Too many players not at it for one reason or another. Turner, McMillan and Lawless have been off form for a few weeks. Fitzpatrick hasn't been at it for a good while and his decision making is getting worse. Milne didn't look fit last night.

Also thought Doolan got his tactics wrong when ICT went down to 10 men. Throwing on more and more forwards was just congesting the ICT 18 yard box. For the last 10 minutes we had 3 centre forward and 2 wingers with a singular tactic of throw the ball in the box and hope something falls our way. There really wasn't any plan or any thought of how to stretch the ICT defence.

We needed people from midfield to make runs beyond the striker and when Turner went off there was no one to do that. I hate to say it but with McKinnon unavailable we should have put Smith on as the attacking midfielder. 

Bannigan's inability to play a forward pass or quick pass is really beginning to annoy me. Last night he got the ball in decent positions on the edge of the ICT box and just looked like a rabbit in the headlights.

If Muirhead is fit for Cove I think he replaces Brownlie and I would tempted to start McKinnon instead of Turner.  

 

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46 minutes ago, laukat said:

Too many players not at it for one reason or another. Turner, McMillan and Lawless have been off form for a few weeks. Fitzpatrick hasn't been at it for a good while and his decision making is getting worse. Milne didn't look fit last night.

Also thought Doolan got his tactics wrong when ICT went down to 10 men. Throwing on more and more forwards was just congesting the ICT 18 yard box. For the last 10 minutes we had 3 centre forward and 2 wingers with a singular tactic of throw the ball in the box and hope something falls our way. There really wasn't any plan or any thought of how to stretch the ICT defence.

We needed people from midfield to make runs beyond the striker and when Turner went off there was no one to do that. I hate to say it but with McKinnon unavailable we should have put Smith on as the attacking midfielder. 

Bannigan's inability to play a forward pass or quick pass is really beginning to annoy me. Last night he got the ball in decent positions on the edge of the ICT box and just looked like a rabbit in the headlights.

If Muirhead is fit for Cove I think he replaces Brownlie and I would tempted to start McKinnon instead of Turner.  

 

Agree with your appraisal of the game , biggest mistake Dools made was taking off Lawless especially the way the game turned out , he was the only player who could have unlocked a packed defence with his ability.

 

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The objective of the game is to score more goals than the opposition.

How do you score goals? By being prepared to test the goalkeeper.

I watched Italy on Thursday night dominate England around their box but being feart to shoot. They lost.

I watched Thistle last night dominate Fake Thistle - especially after Welsh's harsh red card - without ever shooting at goal (Brian Graham's first half effort apart). We lost.

I was at Hampden this afternoon to watch a frankly insipid Scotland performance which featured lots of possession and mainly poor crosses but no shots on goal (one decent effort from Stuart Armstrong other then the three goals). That we didn't lose was that Cyprus had no intentions of winning the game in the first place.

Last night and this afternoon were exercises in low-risk football which seems to be the pervasive feature of the modern game. Which makes the game difficult to watch nowadays.

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All the post-match updates in place via the home page →

 

:detective:  GOAL DROUGHT

PT and ICT meet for the 8th consecutive time in a non-Saturday fixture, matching the club-record; Celtic (8, 2013-2015), Glentoran (8, 1904-1996) and Queen's Park (8, 1950-1956). The current run of 5 consecutive Fridays is unprecedented!
● In an historical first for a Thistle game, two players who've registered hauls of four for Thistle (Billy Dodds & Kris Doolan) face off as opposing managers.
● After 7 games, Kris Doolan's Jags have yet to concede a first half goal, and it's 8-in-a-row for the club overall.
Sean Welsh becomes the 23rd man to have both played for Thistle and been sent off against Thistle. He's the second of this season, following on from Joe Cardle. In chronological order of first sending off, the full list reads: Norrie Davidson, Bobby Houston, Colin Jackson, Jimmy Bone, Barney McGee, Dougie Mills, Donald Park, Brian Wright, Gareth Evans, Paul McGrillen, Billy Dodds, Albert Craig, Andy Roddie, Derek Ferguson, Paul Walker, Barry Elliot, James Grady, James Gibson, Eddie Forrest, Steven Anderson, Gary Miller, Joe Cardle and Sean Welsh.
● More than 13 years have passed since Thistle came back for so much as a share of the spoils when trailing to a 10-man team. They last did so in a 2-2 League draw at Ross County in October, 2009.
● 5 competitive away games without a win at Inverness is an unwanted first in Partick Thistle's history.
● It's now 3 League games without a goal for Thistle and you need to rewind back to 2010 to find a longer run (5) in the second tier.
 
ongoing sequences:
● 40 consecutive competitive appearances for Jack McMillan, 9th Jul 2022 to date, a new personal best. (Longest run since: Jamie Sneddon - 41 games, 28th Aug 2021 to 9th Jul 2022. Club-record: Johnny Jackson - 313 games, 28th Aug 1926 to 25th Mar 1933.)
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Thistle are beyond awful to watch. It’s what I do on a Saturday so I’ll go anyway.

If we were losing 4-3 or drawing 2-2 it wouldn’t be so bad but I don’t want to see that turgid garbage.

Its not Doolans fault. We’ve made no progress since last season, being in approximately the same position with the same players 1 year older. The 2 full backs are a mark up but all McCall’s summer signings apart from these 2 are very very poor so Dools has nobody to bring on.

If we make the playoffs we’ll probably go down at the 1st hurdle with a whimper.

I’d keep the full backs, Tiffoney and Docherty. The rest can go. I appreciate this cannot happen but Dools has a hell of a task to rebuild the stodgiest team.

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