Jordanhill Jag Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 6 minutes ago, javeajag said: He has always made it clear he doesn’t like or support fan ownership so won’t be involved in TJF or I guess any fan ownership body. His preference would be for business people to be on the board as they are the only ones who understand cost control in business. this obviously ignores the fact that the business people who are currently actually on the board come from a company with a market cap of $700m and probably know how to control costs. He has no alternative that I’ve seen . Your correct - as for the American Investor - if he is happy for us to rack up losses - then buy another chunk of the Club to offset them - then I suggest you take it up with him - its not a strategy that ends well I believe in a balanced budget & live within your means - we don't gamble with the Clubs future existence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 9 hours ago, Woodstock Jag said: Hello Jim. We’re going to appoint a woman as men’s team manager to boost our woke credentials and to upset your wee WhatsApp group. Hope that’s okay. Kind Regards The Shadow Board No your going to appoint him because he his links to the Woman's Team - which gives him strong influential backers at various levels - and he is "the face" of TJF Promotional Campaigns - we also have No Money - so we will pick him because its the Cheap option And most of all your going to promote him because its easy - he ticks boxes that the Board & TJF like But - here is your issue - we have run out of McCall's Signings - and Brian Graham is not going to be able to change that Although I do find it strange that a Board picked a GM based on him having worked under Fan Ownership Regimes - with zero Football contacts or knowledge Combining that with a Football Manager who might be struggling for Contacts on the Football Recruitment Front Very strange set of priorities - but hey - its all about me being Anti Woke And the Whatsapp Group passes on there regards - all 378 of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 23 minutes ago, scotty said: Glad someone posted this. I'm still speechless that an offer of the position of director of football was turned down because the womens' team was included in the remit. He’s talking bollocks. As usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted September 9 Author Report Share Posted September 9 48 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Your correct - as for the American Investor - if he is happy for us to rack up losses - then buy another chunk of the Club to offset them - then I suggest you take it up with him - its not a strategy that ends well I believe in a balanced budget & live within your means - we don't gamble with the Clubs future existence He isn’t American. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hosie Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 (edited) Can I just ask a couple of quick questions, I wasn't paying too much attention to stuff related to our men's team yesterday - too busy watching our women's team perform so well at Fir Park yesterday. When did the vacancy for team manager of the men's team become available? Or are we talking about a hypothetical appointment to a hypothetical vacancy? Edited September 9 by Tom Hosie typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 3 minutes ago, Tom Hosie said: Can I just ask a couple of quick questions, I wasn't too paying too much attention to stuff related to our men's team yesterday - too busy watching our women's team perform so well at Fir Park yesterday. When did the vacancy for team manager of the men's team become available? Or are we talking about a hypothetical appointment to a hypothetical vacancy? Well going by the statements of some influential people -if we don't win on Saturday his jacket is on a Shaky Nail they sacked McCall for less - so the whispering campaign in the inner circles will be well under way by this stage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stolenscone Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 I'm not ITK Tom. I'm only following about 30% of what's being said on this thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hosie Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 1 minute ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Well going by the statements of some influential people -if we don't win on Saturday his jacket is on a Shaky Nail they sacked McCall for less - so the whispering campaign in the inner circles will be well under way by this stage Statements by influential people? You really mean social media posts by Thistle fans stating the obvious that potentially falling 13 points behind the league leaders in mid September puts a manager, any manager, of a promotion chasing team under a bit of pressure don't you? So having to answer my own question, it's a hypothetical appointment to a hypothetical vacancy. The rest is just stuff you are making up in your head. Here's hoping it remains all hypothetical and a thoroughly decent human being leads the team to three points on Saturday and back into the promotion mix over the course of the next weeks and months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hosie Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 Should the hypothetical vacancy become a non imaginary one then I'm putting Clare Doc forward for it. Ticks a lot of boxes and allows Brian to keep his vital role with the Women's team. https://x.com/ThistleWFC/status/1833086722155937971?t=UhTkEnQoW-6PP3K6D-Fx-A&s=19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 2 hours ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: It's just a phase he's going through. He's not in love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 33 minutes ago, Tom Hosie said: Statements by influential people? You really mean social media posts by Thistle fans stating the obvious that potentially falling 13 points behind the league leaders in mid September puts a manager, any manager, of a promotion chasing team under a bit of pressure don't you? So having to answer my own question, it's a hypothetical appointment to a hypothetical vacancy. The rest is just stuff you are making up in your head. Here's hoping it remains all hypothetical and a thoroughly decent human being leads the team to three points on Saturday and back into the promotion mix over the course of the next weeks and months. Just let me check When Board forecast a loss for 24/25 of £280K - and that we had managed to burn £200K of Cash Reserves - leaving only £75K to fund a £280K loss this Season Did the same Thistle Fans go Public Reference the Boards Performance and state in Public "its embarrassing" Did they state "Its getting really concerning" or that the Board is "under serious pressure " Even when the £280K losses were missing from a 2500 Word detailed statement on Club Finances ? You see Football Managers get sacked - that's part and parcel of Football - and Dools ( like Ian McCall ) is a decent Human Being But if a Manager is struggling - you try and identify where there weaknesses are - and support them - Our Weakness is recruitment - did we hire a GM with Football Contacts or Football Experience - for Funny Enough a Football Club - Nope We hired someone with experience in Working with a Fan Owned Club instead And its noted your talking about "Three points this Saturday" and not beyond that - so lets not pretend its all Hypothetical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAGSMAN1968 Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 1 hour ago, stolenscone said: I'm not ITK Tom. I'm only following about 30% of what's being said on this thread! Glad I'm not the only one!! all this talk of saxophones and two legged ones at that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hosie Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 52 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Just let me check When Board forecast a loss for 24/25 of £280K - and that we had managed to burn £200K of Cash Reserves - leaving only £75K to fund a £280K loss this Season Did the same Thistle Fans go Public Reference the Boards Performance and state in Public "its embarrassing" Did they state "Its getting really concerning" or that the Board is "under serious pressure " Even when the £280K losses were missing from a 2500 Word detailed statement on Club Finances ? You see Football Managers get sacked - that's part and parcel of Football - and Dools ( like Ian McCall ) is a decent Human Being But if a Manager is struggling - you try and identify where there weaknesses are - and support them - Our Weakness is recruitment - did we hire a GM with Football Contacts or Football Experience - for Funny Enough a Football Club - Nope We hired someone with experience in Working with a Fan Owned Club instead And its noted your talking about "Three points this Saturday" and not beyond that - so lets not pretend its all Hypothetical I'm not sure if there is such a thing, but your responses are something akin to online tourette's. Your latest response, which in essence is nothing more than a rehash of the points you have been making on and on and on for last few weeks, has virtually nothing to do with my last post. Why do you do that? Is it an unwillingness or an inability to engage directly with a poster's point, or can you just not help yourself? There will obviously come a time when Kris Doolan will not be our manager. Can we all agree that we hope that will be sometime in the not near future as that will mean he has been successful in his current role? Until that point, it is a hypothetical vacancy and a hypothetical appointment. Trawling social media to find Thistle fans expressing concern, in fairly benign fashion, over a bad result and even worse performance is not a sign of some campaign to oust Kris Doolan and replace him with Brian Graham, or whoever. It's just Jags fans venting on social media. Nothing more, nothing less. There is no conspiracy. And using quotation marks for something nobody actually said, isn't evidence to suggest that the wagons are circulating round the manager should we lose at Ayr on Saturday. It's obvious, or at least it should be, that any manager that finds his team trailing the league leaders by such a margin should we lose on Saturday is going to be under pressure. It doesn't mean they will be sacked or that they should be sacked. It's just an acknowledgment that in a results business if you are a manager and the results are consistently poor then you are under pressure. Again nothing more, nothing less. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cork Jag Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 20 hours ago, laukat said: We should be looking at 4-4-2 with the attacking talent we have or 3-4-3 with the central defenders we have instead we just want someone to do what McMillan and Lawless did but better. Nail on the head. Why we only ever play one centre forward at a time or why we never change how we play makes us both ineffective and so easy to know how to play against that we’ve now lost to Clyde and Alloa. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 I don’t believe BBG as potential manager is the answer to our men’s first team form. Lets get behind Dools to turn our form around. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 13 minutes ago, Tom Hosie said: I'm not sure if there is such a thing, but your responses are something akin to online tourette's. Your latest response, which in essence is nothing more than a rehash of the points you have been making on and on and on for last few weeks, has virtually nothing to do with my last post. Why do you do that? Is it an unwillingness or an inability to engage directly with a poster's point, or can you just not help yourself? There will obviously come a time when Kris Doolan will not be our manager. Can we all agree that we hope that will be sometime in the not near future as that will mean he has been successful in his current role? Until that point, it is a hypothetical vacancy and a hypothetical appointment. Trawling social media to find Thistle fans expressing concern, in fairly benign fashion, over a bad result and even worse performance is not a sign of some campaign to oust Kris Doolan and replace him with Brian Graham, or whoever. It's just Jags fans venting on social media. Nothing more, nothing less. There is no conspiracy. And using quotation marks for something nobody actually said, isn't evidence to suggest that the wagons are circulating round the manager should we lose at Ayr on Saturday. It's obvious, or at least it should be, that any manager that finds his team trailing the league leaders by such a margin should we lose on Saturday is going to be under pressure. It doesn't mean they will be sacked or that they should be sacked. It's just an acknowledgment that in a results business if you are a manager and the results are consistently poor then you are under pressure. Again nothing more, nothing less. And its obvious that if a Board continues to run up debt - then the norm would be that they are "under serious pressure " Or that omitting crucial info on losses from a Finance Statement would be defined as its embarrassing" "Its getting really concerning" Tell me - why No Public Statements of concern on the Boards Performance ? No Bother Tom - Nothing to see here - everyone is happy with the Cosy Wee TJF- Board Relationship - move along please And btw - I didn't trawl through Social Media - it was pointed out to me by another fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow & Redneck Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 8 minutes ago, Cork Jag said: Nail on the head. Why we only ever play one centre forward at a time or why we never change how we play makes us both ineffective and so easy to know how to play against that we’ve now lost to Clyde and Alloa. The issue is, listening to the post-match reaction, Doolan thinks that playing two strikers is "going for it" and "throwing caution to the wind." Ignore that Ayr Utd have been playing two strikers all season (a former player, and a summer transfer target). For a former striker, Doolan is risk-averse and predictable. I've never coached at a high level, but I've seen enough to know that playing two strikers doesn't necessarily have to leave you fragile in the middle of the park. But for some reason that I cannot comprehend, Doolan seemed to think that throwing on a second striker on Saturday left us too open, and then feigned this pathetic, false-humility when he started greetin' ("Uh take full responsibility fur my part in throwing on another striker. It left us too open in midfield...blah blah blah.") Tactically inept springs to mind unfortunately. A lot like Steve Clarke, Doolan is now reaping the rewards of cronyism and tactical inflexibility. A bit like Scotland, when these strategies were new, teams really struggled to play against us. But as soon as they have us figured out, we become very easy to predict and counter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kenny Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 We've played the same system for pretty much 3 seasons now, it's no wonder teams have worked us out. I've been critical of Fitzpatrick and Chalmers, they both need to produce a lot more but it must be frustrating for them when we carry such little threat through the middle they are constantly double marked. Against Queens Park we had some very good balls in to the box but Graham was miles away, maybe having a second striker up top would benefit the whole attacking threat. We play side to side constantly trying to find an opening, it seems easy to defend against. Doolan needs to come up with something new to try and get us going again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hosie Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said: And its obvious that if a Board continues to run up debt - then the norm would be that they are "under serious pressure " Or that omitting crucial info on losses from a Finance Statement would be defined as its embarrassing" "Its getting really concerning" Tell me - why No Public Statements of concern on the Boards Performance ? No Bother Tom - Nothing to see here - everyone is happy with the Cosy Wee TJF- Board Relationship - move along please And btw - I didn't trawl through Social Media - it was pointed out to me by another fan I have no idea why you reply in this fashion. Why you ignore the points made and go off on another tangent. Why are you asking me questions that I neither know the answer to or care what the answer is? If you want to know why some people are commenting on one subject and not another, ask them. I don't care. I really don't care. And do not try and not put words in people's mouths simply because they find you, not the current or future state of Partick Thistle, sometimes amusing but more often tiresome., repetitive and boring. I'm going back into hibernation now. Edited September 9 by Tom Hosie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, Yellow & Redneck said: The issue is, listening to the post-match reaction, Doolan thinks that playing two strikers is "going for it" and "throwing caution to the wind." Ignore that Ayr Utd have been playing two strikers all season (a former player, and a summer transfer target). For a former striker, Doolan is risk-averse and predictable. I've never coached at a high level, but I've seen enough to know that playing two strikers doesn't necessarily have to leave you fragile in the middle of the park. But for some reason that I cannot comprehend, Doolan seemed to think that throwing on a second striker on Saturday left us too open, and then feigned this pathetic, false-humility when he started greetin' ("Uh take full responsibility fur my part in throwing on another striker. It left us too open in midfield...blah blah blah.") Tactically inept springs to mind unfortunately. A lot like Steve Clarke, Doolan is now reaping the rewards of cronyism and tactical inflexibility. A bit like Scotland, when these strategies were new, teams really struggled to play against us. But as soon as they have us figured out, we become very easy to predict and counter. He seems to forget that the midfielders have created hee-haw since the start of the match, preferring their wee triangular and sideways passing routines that take us not even an inch more towards being likely to get a shot at goal. "A bit like Scotland....." for most of my adult life I've been making comparisons between supporting Scotland and Thistle, and unfortunately there are too many uncanny resemblances for comfort. I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but when Scotland were playing Italy to qualify for the 1966 WC Finals, my father allowed me to stay at home to watch the game live on cooncil tv (I'm quite sure it was in Italy). 3-0 to the Italians. Of course the next day I had to produce a note to the teacher to explain my absence. My father wrote it, and the teacher read it out to the class: "Dear Miss Milroy, Please excuse James' absence from school yesterday, but he woke up yesterday morning feeling quite unwell. And as the match wore on this afternoon, this became progressively worse." Yours sincerely, Wm Anderson. I have no recollection of what happened next, but If I'd got belted, I'd surely remember. (Miss Milroy always shortened the length of her tawse when I got the belt, to reduce the pain, God bless her!) Jags and Scotland: It's usually a heartache. (... following the Partick....) Edited September 9 by Jaggernaut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 6 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Your correct - as for the American Investor - if he is happy for us to rack up losses - then buy another chunk of the Club to offset them - then I suggest you take it up with him - its not a strategy that ends well I believe in a balanced budget & live within your means - we don't gamble with the Clubs future existence He’s Scottish actually , the company is based in the US. I don’t have an issue with him owning 20% of the club for £1m so I have nothing to take up with him. I also think you find grey difficult . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 1 hour ago, Jaggernaut said: He seems to forget that the midfielders have created hee-haw since the start of the match, preferring their wee triangular and sideways passing routines that take us not even an inch more towards being likely to get a shot at goal. "A bit like Scotland....." for most of my adult life I've been making comparisons between supporting Scotland and Thistle, and unfortunately there are too many uncanny resemblances for comfort. I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but when Scotland were playing Italy to qualify for the 1966 WC Finals, my father allowed me to stay at home to watch the game live on cooncil tv (I'm quite sure it was in Italy). 3-0 to the Italians. Of course the next day I had to produce a note to the teacher to explain my absence. My father wrote it, and the teacher read it out to the class: "Dear Miss Milroy, Please excuse James' absence from school yesterday, but he woke up yesterday morning feeling quite unwell. And as the match wore on this afternoon, this became progressively worse." Yours sincerely, Wm Anderson. I have no recollection of what happened next, but If I'd got belted, I'd surely remember. (Miss Milroy always shortened the length of her tawse when I got the belt, to reduce the pain, God bless her!) Jags and Scotland: It's usually a heartache. (... following the Partick....) love this memory and story 🙂 I wonder if Miss Milroy is still with us and if so could maybe take training for squad during week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 1 hour ago, javeajag said: He’s Scottish actually , the company is based in the US. I don’t have an issue with him owning 20% of the club for £1m so I have nothing to take up with him. I also think you find grey difficult . And when Tranche 2 runs out - what if there is No Tranche 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 1 hour ago, Jordanhill Jag said: And when Tranche 2 runs out - what if there is No Tranche 3 What if tranche 3 is never needed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 10 minutes ago, javeajag said: What if tranche 3 is never needed ? We are forecasting a £280K loss for Season 24/25 That was before the arse fell out of our Season - so very possibly higher losses than that If we take Tranche 2 - it brings Cash Reserves ( at best ) to £240K - So we run out of money by the end of the Season by the Boards best case forecasts - maybe sooner if things don't improve on the Park So we need a Tranche 3 - and are betting the Family Silver on getting it ( or we are Donald Ducked ) But don't worry - the Board have a cunning Plan - we are now going to employ a New Head of Media & Communications ( as advertised today ) - maybe its so we don't miss out advising Forecasted Losses in Future Financial Statements I do sometimes wonder what is the Colour of the Sky in PTFC Board / Trust World Everything's Fine - Nothing to see here - stop asking Questions - they are boring 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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