Who’s in and who’s out in January?

[jaggymct]

[JAG1970]

In the last few months we’ve seen a big reduction in the squad size.

out: McCready, Roberts, Milne, Sayers, Nilsson (crocked), Muirhead, Lyon, Robinson, Smith, Diack (loan). 

In: Budd, Reid, Martin. Drysdale if he’s fit but will he get in ahead of Reid now?

So 10 out and 3 or 4 in unless I missed one. 

Apart from a striker and maybe another defender, do we see a need for anything else assuming the budget isn’t already spoken for? 

[fifexile]

15 minutes ago, JAG1970 said:

In the last few months we’ve seen a big reduction in the squad size.

out: McCready, Roberts, Milne, Sayers, Nilsson (crocked), Muirhead, Lyon, Robinson, Smith, Diack (loan). 

In: Budd, Reid, Martin. Drysdale if he’s fit but will he get in ahead of Reid now?

So 10 out and 3 or 4 in unless I missed one. 

Apart from a striker and maybe another defender, do we see a need for anything else assuming the budget isn’t already spoken for? 

I thought Drysdale was back at Hearts  and the loan cancelled when he got injured. Reid was signed to replace him

[lady-isobel-barnett]

2 minutes ago, JAG1970 said:

Apart from a striker and maybe another defender, do we see a need for anything else assuming the budget isn’t already spoken for? 

It's a difficult decision. I imagine there's a strong argument to just bite the bullet and hope we stumble into 4th place, if only for the place money. That wouldn't come so much from complacency more the idea of not pouring more money into a season that's sort of over big picture wise.

I think tho' it would be risky if the Club/management were to accept above. That would be like downing tools, the very thing the players were getting accused of recently. My guess is we'll bring in one, maybe a couple, of players, obviously on the cheap, to show intention if nothing else. 

[Jordanhill Jag]

9 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said:

It's a difficult decision. I imagine there's a strong argument to just bite the bullet and hope we stumble into 4th place, if only for the place money. That wouldn't come so much from complacency more the idea of not pouring more money into a season that's sort of over big picture wise.

I think tho' it would be risky if the Club/management were to accept above. That would be like downing tools, the very thing the players were getting accused of recently. My guess is we'll bring in one, maybe a couple, of players, obviously on the cheap, to show intention if nothing else. 

Or possibly we dont have the Cash ? 

[thornwoodjag]

36 minutes ago, JAG1970 said:

In the last few months we’ve seen a big reduction in the squad size.

out: McCready, Roberts, Milne, Sayers, Nilsson (crocked), Muirhead, Lyon, Robinson, Smith, Diack (loan). 

In: Budd, Reid, Martin. Drysdale if he’s fit but will he get in ahead of Reid now?

So 10 out and 3 or 4 in unless I missed one. 

Apart from a striker and maybe another defender, do we see a need for anything else assuming the budget isn’t already spoken for? 

Yeah. Think you can take Drysdale out the equation. 

[Third Lanark]

39 minutes ago, JAG1970 said:

In the last few months we’ve seen a big reduction in the squad size.

out: McCready, Roberts, Milne, Sayers, Nilsson (crocked), Muirhead, Lyon, Robinson, Smith, Diack (loan). 

In: Budd, Reid, Martin. Drysdale if he’s fit but will he get in ahead of Reid now?

So 10 out and 3 or 4 in unless I missed one. 

Apart from a striker and maybe another defender, do we see a need for anything else assuming the budget isn’t already spoken for? 

Yep we still need a permanent new manager 😉

[Dick Dastardly]

1 hour ago, Third Lanark said:

Yep we still need a permanent new manager 😉

Do we ? If we had to live with Graham to the end of the season would it be that bad ?

[jagfox]

2 hours ago, thornwoodjag said:

@jagfox 👀 👀

[jagfox]

22 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

Do we ? If we had to live with Graham to the end of the season would it be that bad ?

I'm not against it personally. I can  see why the board did it and he stepped up.

Gives them a chance to get new setup in place.

Who knows, of he does well he might be in the running for the role permanently...

 

[jagfox]

Anything actually on the cards @thornwoodjag?

DM me x

[thornwoodjag]

2 minutes ago, jagfox said:

Anything actually on the cards @thornwoodjag?

DM me x

Was there any real need for the ‘x’ 😂

[thornwoodjag]

2 minutes ago, jagfox said:

Anything actually on the cards @thornwoodjag?

DM me x

No need for DM’s. I believe there is 

[Third Lanark]

28 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

Do we ? If we had to live with Graham to the end of the season would it be that bad ?

Id prefer to not go down the route of promoting a player within, its almost like the club cant be bothered looking elsewhere.  Personally i think he has quite an ego and not sure if the fitness issue in relation to the players should have been aired quite as publicly as he kind of threw the players under a bus.  

 

[jags on tour]

With 2 pair of eyes does that mean there is 2 new singings?👀👀 probably an old firm jobber and some striker who has scored one goal in their career.

[Dick Dastardly]

1 hour ago, Third Lanark said:

Id prefer to not go down the route of promoting a player within, its almost like the club cant be bothered looking elsewhere.  Personally i think he has quite an ego and not sure if the fitness issue in relation to the players should have been aired quite as publicly as he kind of threw the players under a bus.  

 

I was meaning if Graham was interim manager to the end of the season and then look for a permanent. Give the Sporting Director a chance to work out what is needed and no more out of this season budget, which was what my original post was about. So at this time we only need a full back and a striker, not a manager as well 

[Third Lanark]

14 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

I was meaning if Graham was interim manager to the end of the season and then look for a permanent. Give the Sporting Director a chance to work out what is needed and no more out of this season budget, which was what my original post was about. So at this time we only need a full back and a striker, not a manager as well 

I would rather get a new manager in as soon as which gives them time to prepare for next season.  It would also not surprise me if the Club just made the interim manager permanent.  I just feel too often theres been an element of promoting within and a cuddly toy/cushy scenario of we dont like to look elsewhere even if there are better candidates outside (which i feel there are), then when whoever is failing we tend to take far too long to get rid because of previous ties or length of service to the club.   I fear the longer he is interim then it makes it more likely the club will take the easy decision of making him permanent.  

I also kind of see as Graham being a part of the issue in that he has been kind of quick to blame previous manager and players but not so much himself, which sort of partly fits into the ego thing. 

Just my opinion of course

[jaggymct]

I cant see the point of appointing a manager/coach until the Sporting Director is in place as it would need to be someone they are happy to work with.

Happy for BG to stay in charge as long as necessary for that to happen

[Jag]

4 hours ago, JAG1970 said:

In the last few months we’ve seen a big reduction in the squad size.

out: McCready, Roberts, Milne, Sayers, Nilsson (crocked), Muirhead, Lyon, Robinson, Smith, Diack (loan). 

In: Budd, Reid, Martin. Drysdale if he’s fit but will he get in ahead of Reid now?

So 10 out and 3 or 4 in unless I missed one. 

Apart from a striker and maybe another defender, do we see a need for anything else assuming the budget isn’t already spoken for? 

Williams as well.

[Duke Gekantawa]

7 minutes ago, Third Lanark said:

I would rather get a new manager in as soon as which gives them time to prepare for next season.  It would also not surprise me if the Club just made the interim manager permanent.  I just feel too often theres been an element of promoting within and a cuddly toy/cushy scenario of we dont like to look elsewhere even if there are better candidates outside (which i feel there are), then when whoever is failing we tend to take far too long to get rid because of previous ties or length of service to the club.   I fear the longer he is interim then it makes it more likely the club will take the easy decision of making him permanent.  

I also kind of see as Graham being a part of the issue in that he has been kind of quick to blame previous manager and players but not so much himself, which sort of partly fits into the ego thing. 

Just my opinion of course

It's true that we've promoted from within (i.e., someone already on ouy payroll) 3 of the past 5 times we've recruited a permanent manager (McNamara, Archibald, Doolan) and twice from outside (Caldwell, McCall).

However, two of those internal promotions have been undoubted successes  (McNamara, Archibald), while Doolan was hardly a disaster (and was a bawhair away from being an immediate success).

I'm not sure who would have been the "better candidates" overlooked when when we took on McNamara and Archibald. There possibly were better candidates when Doolan took over- the future might even inform that Graham was one of them! But at least we didn't appoint another Caldwell.

As for taking too long to get rid, as I've pointed out above, we really didn't do this with Doolan so I don't consider this a problem with "club legends" at all.

[Third Lanark]

6 minutes ago, Duke Gekantawa said:

It's true that we've promoted from within (i.e., someone already on ouy payroll) 3 of the past 5 times we've recruited a permanent manager (McNamara, Archibald, Doolan) and twice from outside (Caldwell, McCall).

However, two of those internal promotions have been undoubted successes  (McNamara, Archibald), while Doolan was hardly a disaster (and was a bawhair away from being an immediate success).

I'm not sure who would have been the "better candidates" overlooked when when we took on McNamara and Archibald. There possibly were better candidates when Doolan took over- the future might even inform that Graham was one of them! But at least we didn't appoint another Caldwell.

As for taking too long to get rid, as I've pointed out above, we really didn't do this with Doolan so I don't consider this a problem with "club legends" at all.

If you look at how quick raith sacked Murray we could have parted company with Doolan august/September time.

I actually considered McCall a bit under the previous links appointments rather than a complete outsider because of his previous stints with us.  I should have probably been clearer.

[Duke Gekantawa]

39 minutes ago, Third Lanark said:

If you look at how quick raith sacked Murray we could have parted company with Doolan august/September time.

I actually considered McCall a bit under the previous links appointments rather than a complete outsider because of his previous stints with us.  I should have probably been clearer.

Obviously we could have sacked Doolan quicker. However many if not most people thought the sacking of Murray was premature (and they've hardly set the heather alight since). Had we sacked Doolan then, it would have been considered harsh. I'd hardly suggest (without the benefit of hindsight) that not sacking him then was taking "far too long to get rid because of previous ties or length of service to the club". It simply seemed reasonable regardless of who the manager was.

While McCall's past ties to the club were undoubtedly a factor in his hiring, he would probably have been the oustanding candidate realistically available anyway, even if he'd never been here before. It's not often that we can recruit a manager from a team a number positions higher than us is the same division, and who had finished much higher than us in the previous season also. In fact, it was really only what he had done with Ayr which made him attractive (to me anyway as I said at the time). While he deserved credit for steadying the ship when he first managed us (and Doolan/Erskine of course), he had been getting worse year-on-year and I don't think would have been a particularly attractive candidate based on his time with us.

[Albert's Ghost]

4 minutes ago, Duke Gekantawa said:

I don't think would have been a particularly attractive candidate based on his time with us.

Much as I love the guy, I h.ave to agree.

[jaggymct]

[jaggymct]

A bit underwhelming but at least we know what to expect, effort and not many goals ....