Woodstock Jag Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 6 hours ago, ChiThistle said: Wasn’t sure how to interpret this sentence from the club statement: I met the General Manager Levi Gill and some of the Directors for the first time during the application process Wasnt clear whether it’s Levi Gill AND the directors he’s meeting for the first time or just the directors. Now I’m confused about how closely he worked with Levi in a prior role. He didn't work with Levi in a prior role. He met Levi for the first time at the first of his two interviews. As stated by Levi in correspondence to Third Lanark, which has been well documented here and elsewhere. In the interview process he also met "some of the directors" for the first time. Not all of the directors were involved in the recruitment process. Three of them were involved in the interviews (Richard Beastall, Elliot Gilmour and Donald McClymont). So, logically, Ian Baraclough has still to meet the other directors on the Club Board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milhouse Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 6 hours ago, Lenziejag said: I am not surprised there is some scepticism about the appointment as I am sure there would have been irrespective of who was appointed. After all, it’s not as if there are loads of them in Scotland and certainly not in the lower leagues. However, as I understand the role of a Sporting Director, he isn’t just going to rely on his contacts and what leagues he has worked in, he’s meant to use data analytics as well to find players that fit the playing style of the club, whatever that is now going to be. Sounds like a re-do of the Moneyball concept. Player recruitment based on statistics hasn't really proven to be particularly effective in football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 1 hour ago, milhouse said: Sounds like a re-do of the Moneyball concept. Player recruitment based on statistics hasn't really proven to be particularly effective in football. Brentford and Brighton and Hove Albion may argue that point 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 7 hours ago, Juanito said: A well as being a coach, scout, player and manager, he has a masters in management and is studying a degree in sports directorship at Manchester University. His CV fits the advert but we will see if it translates to what we need at Firhill and within our budget? The problem with scottish football clubs is its difficult to add value as the revenue is mostly on field results dictated. Plenty of material for his dissertation at Firhill! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Legend Blows Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 (edited) Still don't know why this role even exists when we don't have a pot to pi$$ in. We shipped out players right left and centre in January. We're lucky to still be in the playoffs and may yet balls that up. Last thing we need is additional outgoings on salaries that are not playing staff. Ideas above our station and being run by clowns. One year without a season ticket about to become two. Edited April 8 by The Legend Blows Typo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyhouston Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 4 hours ago, The Legend Blows said: Still don't know why this role even exists when we don't have a pot to pi$$ in. We shipped out players right left and centre in January. We're lucky to still be in the playoffs and may yet balls that up. Last thing we need is additional outgoings on salaries that are not playing staff. Ideas above our station and being run by clowns. One year without a season ticket about to become two. snap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 15 hours ago, Juanito said: A well as being a coach, scout, player and manager, he has a masters in management and is studying a degree in sports directorship at Manchester University. His CV fits the advert but we will see if it translates to what we need at Firhill and within our budget? The problem with scottish football clubs is its difficult to add value as the revenue is mostly on field results dictated. Not doubting you Juanito but how do you know this? Haven't seen it anywhere. The main gripe I have had is people just expecting an SD to be an ex-player, coach or manager to 'move upstairs' when the role requires much more than that. All I see is people looking at what players he can bring in, when the role requires much more than that. It would therefore make me feel a bit better about the appointment if this was true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 9 hours ago, milhouse said: Sounds like a re-do of the Moneyball concept. Player recruitment based on statistics hasn't really proven to be particularly effective in football. Sam Allardyce based a lot of his recruitment at Bolton Wanderers on player performance statistics. He was actually one of the first to do so. It's now quite common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanito Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 1 hour ago, Jag said: Not doubting you Juanito but how do you know this? Haven't seen it anywhere. The main gripe I have had is people just expecting an SD to be an ex-player, coach or manager to 'move upstairs' when the role requires much more than that. All I see is people looking at what players he can bring in, when the role requires much more than that. It would therefore make me feel a bit better about the appointment if this was true. It on his LinkedIn profile, his problem will be working within the budget and learning what is required in the Championship, for me the manager has to have experience of the league now or its a steep learning curve and a big gamble, we don't have the budget or the scope to make mistakes for another transfer window. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 Might be me but I can't help thinking that the appointment of Barraclough makes it more likely that some of the rumours might have some truth in them. Scotland Women still need a new manager and given that's now 5 months since the last permanent manager left they surely must know who they want? So tends to suggest their target isn't available right now. I'm not sure that Graham wants to be a head coach and would prefer to be a manager in his own right. Also Barraclough strikes me as too experienced a candidate not to want complete control of recruitment plus if his role is also overseeing the Women's team recruitment does that not already start to tread on Graham's toes? When you add that the wording of the statement to extend Graham and Wilson to the end of the season didn't offer any hint or encouragement that they could be the permanent head coaches no matter the results then it does suggest the club see's it more as a temporary state to see out the season. Barraclough looks fairly experienced so tends to suggest a younger coach or appointing a coach that doesn't have some of what Barraclough does. Its been suggested that Rhys McCabe doesn't have his coaching badges but Barraclough does. Also appears as though Airdrie got off to a bad start this year because it was McCabe's first year in charge of recruitment. So perhaps Barraclough and McCabe are a more complimentary fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 12 minutes ago, laukat said: Might be me but I can't help thinking that the appointment of Barraclough makes it more likely that some of the rumours might have some truth in them. Scotland Women still need a new manager and given that's now 5 months since the last permanent manager left they surely must know who they want? So tends to suggest their target isn't available right now. I'm not sure that Graham wants to be a head coach and would prefer to be a manager in his own right. Also Barraclough strikes me as too experienced a candidate not to want complete control of recruitment plus if his role is also overseeing the Women's team recruitment does that not already start to tread on Graham's toes? When you add that the wording of the statement to extend Graham and Wilson to the end of the season didn't offer any hint or encouragement that they could be the permanent head coaches no matter the results then it does suggest the club see's it more as a temporary state to see out the season. Barraclough looks fairly experienced so tends to suggest a younger coach or appointing a coach that doesn't have some of what Barraclough does. Its been suggested that Rhys McCabe doesn't have his coaching badges but Barraclough does. Also appears as though Airdrie got off to a bad start this year because it was McCabe's first year in charge of recruitment. So perhaps Barraclough and McCabe are a more complimentary fit? As I understand it perhaps wrongly McCabe is not responsible for recruitment at Airdrie. That’s Jackie and the Consilium group that are responsible for that. McCabe is the coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 3 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: As I understand it perhaps wrongly McCabe is not responsible for recruitment at Airdrie. That’s Jackie and the Consilium group that are responsible for that. McCabe is the coach Most players they sign have Consilium as their agency and prior to this season it was very much as you describe however there seems to a suggestion from some Airdrie fans that after McCabe's success last season he was allowed a much greater say in recruitment last summer. Last Summers recruitment has largely been responsible for them being involved in the relegation battle however their January recruitment seems to have reversed most of that. So would be interesting to know who actually did what at Airdrie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 (edited) 2 hours ago, Third Lanark said: As I understand it perhaps wrongly McCabe is not responsible for recruitment at Airdrie. That’s Jackie and the Consilium group that are responsible for that. McCabe is the coach I'm sure you'll be right. McCabe has been a player all during his spell coaching his team. I think it would be very difficult to combine other managerial duties for such a long period. Has he even had time to complete his badges? Edited April 8 by lady-isobel-barnett 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 2 hours ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: Has he even had time to complete his badges? I don't think so... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 All this talk about badges. Are they actually issued with a physical badge? Do they wear it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robphil Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 12 hours ago, The Legend Blows said: Still don't know why this role even exists when we don't have a pot to pi$$ in. We shipped out players right left and centre in January. We're lucky to still be in the playoffs and may yet balls that up. Last thing we need is additional outgoings on salaries that are not playing staff. Ideas above our station and being run by clowns. One year without a season ticket about to become two. I feel fairly confident that you will be sorely missed... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanito Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 1 hour ago, partickthedog said: All this talk about badges. Are they actually issued with a physical badge? Do they wear it? You get a card like a credit card nowadays (and online account), with a number so clubs can check your credentials when you go to work for them. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 1 hour ago, robphil said: I feel fairly confident that you will be sorely missed... It’s all money away from the club and that shouldn’t be taken lightly,though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledjag Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 I thought Airdrie's problem in the first half of the season was solely down to having an extensive list of seriously injured players! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 20 hours ago, Woodstock Jag said: He didn't work with Levi in a prior role. He met Levi for the first time at the first of his two interviews. As stated by Levi in correspondence to Third Lanark, which has been well documented here and elsewhere. In the interview process he also met "some of the directors" for the first time. Not all of the directors were involved in the recruitment process. Three of them were involved in the interviews (Richard Beastall, Elliot Gilmour and Donald McClymont). So, logically, Ian Baraclough has still to meet the other directors on the Club Board. What is confusing however is that someone who lets face who is pretty much unknown and not mentioned as a potential candidate when the role was announced - suddenly after the first round interviews was being mentioned as the odds on favourite - prior to any shortlist or second round interviews ( out of no where ) ignoring any links to the Club or any employees - which you and others have covered in detail The simple fact that he was stated as odds on favourite ( accurately ) circa 3 weeks before he got the job & before second round interviews took place is well - extremely odd Now that wasn't a guess - as he hadn't been mentioned as a potential candidate pre the initial interviews - and he had no obvious link to the Club or Scottish Football - he was an out of the Blue Name Now this is a matter of fact - not a conspiracy various people are good at shutting down anyone who may ask awkward questions - however How was it that three weeks ago Ian Barraclough - was being mentioned as the odds on favourite for Sporting Director Role - with frightening accuracy ? But no one finds that strange ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert's Ghost Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 12 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said: But no one finds that strange ? Just you JJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 6 hours ago, partickthedog said: All this talk about badges. Are they actually issued with a physical badge? Do they wear it? We don't need no steenking badges... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 36 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said: What is confusing however is that someone who lets face who is pretty much unknown and not mentioned as a potential candidate when the role was announced - suddenly after the first round interviews was being mentioned as the odds on favourite - prior to any shortlist or second round interviews ( out of no where ) ignoring any links to the Club or any employees - which you and others have covered in detail The simple fact that he was stated as odds on favourite ( accurately ) circa 3 weeks before he got the job & before second round interviews took place is well - extremely odd Now that wasn't a guess - as he hadn't been mentioned as a potential candidate pre the initial interviews - and he had no obvious link to the Club or Scottish Football - he was an out of the Blue Name Now this is a matter of fact - not a conspiracy various people are good at shutting down anyone who may ask awkward questions - however How was it that three weeks ago Ian Barraclough - was being mentioned as the odds on favourite for Sporting Director Role - with frightening accuracy ? But no one finds that strange ? Not commenting on all the conspiracy theory stuff, as I have no idea. However, on the one simple point about having no link to the club or to Scottish football, he was manager of Motherwell from 2014 to 2015. Indeed Motherwell would have played Thistle several times in that period as we were in the Premier League at that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 8 minutes ago, partickthedog said: Not commenting on all the conspiracy theory stuff, as I have no idea. However, on the one simple point about having no link to the club or to Scottish football, he was manager of Motherwell from 2014 to 2015. Indeed Motherwell would have played Thistle several times in that period as we were in the Premier League at that time. 3 times he faced us (unless I have got my stats wrong) Motherwell 1-0 Jags Dec 2014 Jags 2-0 Motherwell April 2015 (Lyle Taylor Double) Motherwell 0-0 Jags May 2015 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robphil Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 3 hours ago, Lenziejag said: It’s all money away from the club and that shouldn’t be taken lightly,though. Alas, I will not be in a position to buy a season ticket next season. But if my health allows then I will be taking a few chums along to hospitality at some point.. I think I can guarantee that we might make up for any loss of revenue from TLB... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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