New Manager Thread

[Bobbyhouston]

£50K minimum plus accommodation un****inbelievable , yet nutcases on here think a guy with a CV which doesn’t meet the criteria for the role,  think it’s great appointment 

please tell me what’s great about blowing money we don’t have with hiring someone that has no experience 

[Norgethistle]

22 hours ago, milhouse said:

Sounds like a re-do of the Moneyball concept. Player recruitment based on statistics hasn't really proven to be particularly effective in football.

Leicester City won the EPL using the method

[Woodstock Jag]

3 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

What is confusing however is that someone who lets face who is pretty much unknown and not mentioned as a potential candidate when the role was announced  - suddenly after the first round interviews was being mentioned as the odds on favourite - prior to any shortlist or second round interviews ( out of no where ) ignoring any links to the Club or any employees - which you and others have covered in detail  

The simple fact that he was stated as odds on favourite ( accurately ) circa 3 weeks before he got the job & before second round interviews took place is well - extremely odd   

Now that wasn't a guess - as he hadn't been mentioned as a potential candidate pre the initial interviews - and he had no obvious link to the Club or Scottish Football - he was an out of the Blue Name 

Now this is a matter of fact - not a conspiracy 

various people are good at shutting down anyone who may ask awkward questions - however 

How was it that three weeks ago Ian Barraclough - was being mentioned as the odds on favourite for Sporting Director Role  - with frightening accuracy  ? 

But no one finds that strange ? 

This is really boring.

There are lots of reasons why a candidate might have been outed.

(a) a candidate/their agent might have outed themselves or revealed it to one of their mates (as literally happened with one of the other candidates, who announced it on national radio)

(b) a candidate might have been spotted at Firhill when attending their first round interview and this has set the rumour mill running (whether innocently or for malicious reasons)

(c) someone involved in or privy to the interview process, who should know better, might have leaked information

If the concern is that (c) shouldn’t be happening I think everyone can agree.

But if the allegation is one of nepotism, people should present their evidence or bore off.

[jagfox]

 

 

[Jordanhill Jag]

17 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said:

This is really boring.

There are lots of reasons why a candidate might have been outed.

(a) a candidate/their agent might have outed themselves or revealed it to one of their mates (as literally happened with one of the other candidates, who announced it on national radio)

(b) a candidate might have been spotted at Firhill when attending their first round interview and this has set the rumour mill running (whether innocently or for malicious reasons)

(c) someone involved in or privy to the interview process, who should know better, might have leaked information

If the concern is that (c) shouldn’t be happening I think everyone can agree.

But if the allegation is one of nepotism, people should present their evidence or bore off.

Where has anyone said there was nepotism ? For the record I don't believe there was on any level 

Or is there any “ allegations” 

but lets take the scenarios you cover 

a)The chances of someone in Football putting out that they are the preferred candidate are unlikely -as it is more than likely to have the opposite affect- a candidate maybe - preferred choice ? Highly Unlikely 

b) someone coming out of Firhill is unlikely to be named as the preferred candidate simply on site -especially one that hardly anyone knows ( or would even recognise ) 

c) All we know is that the person was put out there -as the person likely to get the job before the shortlist ( and lets face it not an obvious choice ) and got the job 

boring as it may be -it is shall we say odd 

 

 

[Woodstock Jag]

1 minute ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

Where has anyone said there was nepotism ? For the record I don't believe there was on any level 

Or is there any “ allegations” 

This whole thing started with allegations made, shortly after the first round of interviews had taken place, that Levi was friends with Ian Baraclough (an allegation that has been flatly denied, and which no one has provided a shred of evidence to contradict) and that this meant he was favourite for the job. Don't act dumb.

1 minute ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

but lets take the scenarios you cover 

a)The chances of someone in Football putting out that they are the preferred candidate are unlikely -as it is more than likely to have the opposite affect- a candidate maybe - preferred choice ? Highly Unlikely 

Yet it literally happened with Ian McCall, who announced on BBC Radio Scotland that he was a candidate and had been given an interview.

1 minute ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

b) someone coming out of Firhill is unlikely to be named as the preferred candidate simply on site -especially one that hardly anyone knows ( or would even recognise ) 

There were literally posts on social media about Ian McCall standing outside the stadium in a suit with a folder.

Ian Baraclough isn't an obscure person to Scottish football. He was the manager of a top flight football club for almost a year and was best known for, very publicly, thumping Rangers Football Club in a relegation play-off fixture 6-1.

1 minute ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

c) All we know is that the person was put out there -as the person likely to get the job before the shortlist ( and lets face it not an obvious choice ) and got the job 

There were literal press articles describing Ian McCall as the favourite for the job after the first round of interviews.

The first mention of Ian Baraclough on this forum since 23rd September 2015?

From Third Lanark. At 7:28pm. Two hours and fourteen minutes after Scott Burns is confidently declaring for the Daily Record that Ian McCall is "in line for an emotional return".

If you want to know where "all this came from" you probably want to start with the source(s) that misinformed Third Lanark that Levi was mates with Baraclough? No?

Logic suggests that the person who passed that information to him must have, at the very least, known that Ian Baraclough was a candidate and had been through the first round of interviews. That means that this person, whoever they are, must have (a) seen Baraclough at the ground and embellished this into "preferred candidate" (b) been told by someone else that he was one of the candidates in the running or (c) been involved in the recruitment process.

[Jordanhill Jag]

15 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said:

This whole thing started with allegations made, shortly after the first round of interviews had taken place, that Levi was friends with Ian Baraclough (an allegation that has been flatly denied, and which no one has provided a shred of evidence to contradict) and that this meant he was favourite for the job. Don't act dumb.

Yet it literally happened with Ian McCall, who announced on BBC Radio Scotland that he was a candidate and had been given an interview.

There were literally posts on social media about Ian McCall standing outside the stadium in a suit with a folder.

Ian Baraclough isn't an obscure person to Scottish football. He was the manager of a top flight football club for almost a year and was best known for, very publicly, thumping Rangers Football Club in a relegation play-off fixture 6-1.

There were literal press articles describing Ian McCall as the favourite for the job after the first round of interviews.

The first mention of Ian Baraclough on this forum since 23rd September 2015?

From Third Lanark. At 7:28pm. Two hours and fourteen minutes after Scott Burns is confidently declaring for the Daily Record that Ian McCall is "in line for an emotional return".

If you want to know where "all this came from" you probably want to start with the source(s) that misinformed Third Lanark that Levi was mates with Baraclough? No?

Logic suggests that the person who passed that information to him must have, at the very least, known that Ian Baraclough was a candidate and had been through the first round of interviews. That means that this person, whoever they are, must have (a) seen Baraclough at the ground and embellished this into "preferred candidate" (b) been told by someone else that he was one of the candidates in the running or (c) been involved in the recruitment process.

He was a manager in Scotland for a Year which is a blip in Football terms - so he wasn't on anyones radar 

Unlikely that someone would know enough about Barraclough to embellish him into a preferred candidate- simply by seeing him at the Stadium  - lets be realistic 

what we do know is that someone being touted around as a high probability before the short list -got the job 

and no one is “acting dumb” 

so we are left with b or c 

people can read into that what they want 

[partickthedog]

7 hours ago, jagfox said:

 

 

Initial impression was “seems a nice guy, but not sure what he is actually going to be doing”.  There appeared to be a search for relevance and a question mark as to whether he would enhance and encourage others in their tasks or duplicate and get in the way.

That is probably all totally unfair, so I will endeavour to maintain an open mind. It will be interesting to see how this develops and I will be happy to commend added value as and when I see this demonstrated.
 

 

[King Kenny]

47 minutes ago, partickthedog said:

Initial impression was “seems a nice guy, but not sure what he is actually going to be doing”.  There appeared to be a search for relevance and a question mark as to whether he would enhance and encourage others in their tasks or duplicate and get in the way.

That is probably all totally unfair, so I will endeavour to maintain an open mind. It will be interesting to see how this develops and I will be happy to commend added value as and when I see this demonstrated.
 

 

I think that is a fair enough assessment to take from that interview. Not much to go on although unlikely he was going to use his first press conference to set out what he was striving to achieve (it would have been nice mind you!). 

Glad to see the media managed to move away from boring questions about his role at Partick Thistle and move the press conference to riveting questions about a playoff game involving one of the Old Firm ten years ago. 

[scotty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c5ygrn5l83zo

Well, there's another rumour closed down.

[Tom Hosie]

I'm really going to miss this place come the season's end. Not. 

[scotty]

1 minute ago, Tom Hosie said:

I'm really going to miss this place come the season's end. Not. 

Trouble is, P&B the only alternative?

[Lenziejag]

1 hour ago, partickthedog said:

Initial impression was “seems a nice guy, but not sure what he is actually going to be doing”.  There appeared to be a search for relevance and a question mark as to whether he would enhance and encourage others in their tasks or duplicate and get in the way.

That is probably all totally unfair, so I will endeavour to maintain an open mind. It will be interesting to see how this develops and I will be happy to commend added value as and when I see this demonstrated.
 

 

I thought it was reasonably clear. The coaching staff will be left to the coaching-he will do the other stuff a traditional manager would do. 

[michael m]

13 hours ago, jagfox said:

We don't need no steenking badges...

That’s about the only line from Blazing Saddles you can say now! 🙈

[Jordanhill Jag]

1 hour ago, partickthedog said:

Initial impression was “seems a nice guy, but not sure what he is actually going to be doing”.  There appeared to be a search for relevance and a question mark as to whether he would enhance and encourage others in their tasks or duplicate and get in the way.

That is probably all totally unfair, so I will endeavour to maintain an open mind. It will be interesting to see how this develops and I will be happy to commend added value as and when I see this demonstrated.
 

 

I think its a Carcrash waiting to happen 

We will then put it out as part of the 5 Year Plan 

[Jordanhill Jag]

1 minute ago, Lenziejag said:

I thought it was reasonably clear. The coaching staff will be left to the coaching-he will do the other stuff a traditional manager would do. 

And if we are failing - who takes the blame ? The DofS or the Manager ? 

[Jaggernaut]

1 hour ago, scotty said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c5ygrn5l83zo

Well, there's another rumour closed down.

She's got a  big job ahead of her.

[Jaggernaut]

58 minutes ago, Tom Hosie said:

I'm really going to miss this place come the season's end. Not. 

It's a great place, dragged down by a small number of spoilers.

Anyone know if there are any moves for a replacement forum?

P&B, X and the like just ain't for me.

As that fine Jags song goes: "I never knew how much I loved you, 'til you were gone."

[Lenziejag]

1 hour ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

And if we are failing - who takes the blame ? The DofS or the Manager ? 

Let’s wait and see if we fail first. I wouldn’t say the traditional model has been particularly successful over the past 40+ years - a few years in the premier league followed by 10 years plus in the championship or worse.

[lady-isobel-barnett]

2 hours ago, michael m said:

That’s about the only line from Blazing Saddles you can say now! 🙈

Aye, somehow "You'd do it for Stuart Kettlewell" doesn't carry the same gravitas as Randolph S.

[Jordanhill Jag]

7 hours ago, Lenziejag said:

Let’s wait and see if we fail first. I wouldn’t say the traditional model has been particularly successful over the past 40+ years - a few years in the premier league followed by 10 years plus in the championship or worse.

Traditional Model has worked for similar size Clubs - Falkirk - St J getting into Europe & Cup Finals 

we seem to be driven by a view that our Model is broke 

but past success ie Top Six & Promotion last time was driven by stability off the park 

but no one is suggesting change on how we run the Club in fact the exact opposite where the status quo remains 

[Norgethistle]

2 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

Traditional Model has worked for similar size Clubs - Falkirk - St J getting into Europe & Cup Finals 

we seem to be driven by a view that our Model is broke 

but past success ie Top Six & Promotion last time was driven by stability off the park 

but no one is suggesting change on how we run the Club in fact the exact opposite where the status quo remains 

Falkirk haven’t been in the top flight in 15 seasons, and spent 4 of those in the 3rd tier.

 

[Jordanhill Jag]

1 hour ago, Norgethistle said:

Falkirk haven’t been in the top flight in 15 seasons, and spent 4 of those in the 3rd tier.

 

 But they have been in Europe and they have been in a Cup Final - something we have not done for 50 Years - and with a budget less than ours are likely to get promoted this Season 

and you conviently missed out St J who have been in the Premier for circa 15 Years - and won a Cup Final - Multiple times in Europe

secret is a well run Club off the park = success on it 

Edited April 9 by Jordanhill Jag

[madcapmilkdrinker]

16 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

And if we are failing - who takes the blame ? The DofS or the Manager ? 

I think we all know you’ll blame TJF.

[King Kenny]

21 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

I think its a Carcrash waiting to happen 

We will then put it out as part of the 5 Year Plan 

Genuine question and not looking to stir the pot on this...

Would you have been ok with the Sporting Director role if McCall had been successful? 

I have my doubts about the role as well, I think it is quite a high risk but he's in place now so he deserves our backing until his performance shows otherwise.