Third Lanark Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 8 hours ago, Jaggernaut said: I wouldn't be upset if our two co-managers are kept on. They know our strengths and weaknesses better than anyone, aren't afraid to try different things, and managed to get us into the play-off semi-final. I think getting into the playoff semi finals was the minimum that most fans expected at the start of the season rightly or wrongly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 Without knowing what managers are in the frame, it is difficult to know whether our current team is the best option. The devil you know might be an argument, but I'm not sure about Baraclough and how effective he would be with Graham and Wilson- he didn't impress me last night on the tele, sounded like a discard. I would prefer a real break from the usual Scottish suspects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 32 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: I think getting into the playoff semi finals was the minimum that most fans expected at the start of the season rightly or wrongly I think there's only really three targets in our division a club/fans can set. In a league of only ten clubs mid table safety doesn't come into it. So it's win it, get into the play offs or be safe of/avoid relegation. First target perhaps over ambitious and the third option, the opposite. So I reckon you're safe with your assumption. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanieD Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 Maybe we are waiting to see if Barry gets the HRangers gig? 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy McD Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 If Imrie gets the gig I for one will not be a happy bunny.. and I don't think I will be the only one.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert's Ghost Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 1 hour ago, Jimmy McD said: If Imrie gets the gig I for one will not be a happy bunny.. and I don't think I will be the only one.. You won't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 2 hours ago, Albert's Ghost said: You won't be. Won’t be what ? A happy bunny, or the only one ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 Martindale might be available soon if they don’t get promoted. Not sure how I would feel about him coming to Firhill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 46 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: Martindale might be available soon if they don’t get promoted. Not sure how I would feel about him coming to Firhill. Martindale managing a club that plays on grass ? Never a game goes past that he doesn’t make some comment about it. Although, I think it is just part of a narrative from all the plastic pitch clubs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert's Ghost Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 1 hour ago, Dick Dastardly said: Won’t be what ? A happy bunny, or the only one ? The only one. As you well know, you naughty boy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledjag Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 When I last read comments on this thread Imrie was a shoe in for the post. Recent comments from Mark Wilson suggested that there are some very good names in competition with the Graham/Wilson duo! However I am not a great fan of co-management partnerships and think they tend to fail. I can't think of such a partnership, at least in Scotland, having any success or longevity. Do others feel the same as me that Mark Wison has over the weeks grown into the management role. I don't wish to be dismissive of Graham's contribution as i don't know to what extent either individual contributes. I have though been very impressed with Wilson's post match comments and his touchline manner. I also think he might be a better man manager than Graham. As BBG wants to keep playing would it be worth a shout appointing Wilson as our next head coach/manager and with Graham continuing his role as a player and manager of the ladies team. Thoughts!  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 5 hours ago, exiledjag said: When I last read comments on this thread Imrie was a shoe in for the post. Recent comments from Mark Wilson suggested that there are some very good names in competition with the Graham/Wilson duo! However I am not a great fan of co-management partnerships and think they tend to fail. I can't think of such a partnership, at least in Scotland, having any success or longevity. Do others feel the same as me that Mark Wison has over the weeks grown into the management role. I don't wish to be dismissive of Graham's contribution as i don't know to what extent either individual contributes. I have though been very impressed with Wilson's post match comments and his touchline manner. I also think he might be a better man manager than Graham. As BBG wants to keep playing would it be worth a shout appointing Wilson as our next head coach/manager and with Graham continuing his role as a player and manager of the ladies team. Thoughts!  Nice idea, but I don’t think that Graham would be terribly happy with that snub and would quite justifiably disappear as both player and ladies manager at the first opportunity. I also doubt that Wilson would accept that as the 2 clearly get on well together and he would know that he needs to find 15-20 goals for next season. I suspect that the solution will be have to be both or neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 18 hours ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: I think there's only really three targets in our division a club/fans can set. In a league of only ten clubs mid table safety doesn't come into it. So it's win it, get into the play offs or be safe of/avoid relegation. First target perhaps over ambitious and the third option, the opposite. So I reckon you're safe with your assumption. More important than the target for this season, what is the target for next ? We have Saints, along with Ross/Dundee/Livvy who will be looking to go back up and likely have budgets larger than ours and established premiership players. Raith and Ayr will both be competitive again and Dunfermline clearly have some money to spend. Assuming we don’t make a miraculous comeback and go on to promotion, Next season is going to be much harder, and likely with a reduced budget, so is making the playoffs again the target ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG1970 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 4 hours ago, Dick Dastardly said: More important than the target for this season, what is the target for next ? We have Saints, along with Ross/Dundee/Livvy who will be looking to go back up and likely have budgets larger than ours and established premiership players. Raith and Ayr will both be competitive again and Dunfermline clearly have some money to spend. Assuming we don’t make a miraculous comeback and go on to promotion, Next season is going to be much harder, and likely with a reduced budget, so is making the playoffs again the target ? I’d be more concerned about two teams being relegated from the SPL than Livi remaining in our league. Livi would be on reduced parachute payments (IIRC they last 2 years but lower in year 2), and they have a much smaller supporter revenue stream than us. So financially much of their advantage will have gone. As for Ayr, Raith, Dunfermline, impossible to predict if they will throw money at it. Dunfermline have a potentially big support if they can put a good team on the park. So trying to forecast who is going to spend what at this stage is clearly difficult or impossible. But I think any Thistle team should be targeting 4th as a minimum otherwise we’re effectively giving up. If things become clearer during the season that four clubs have spent more than us then that should be part of the measure when marking our management scorecard at the end of the season, along with our style of play and whether we are attempting to bring one or two academy players into the mix each season rather than bang average loan players. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, JAG1970 said: I’d be more concerned about two teams being relegated from the SPL than Livi remaining in our league. Livi would be on reduced parachute payments (IIRC they last 2 years but lower in year 2), and they have a much smaller supporter revenue stream than us. So financially much of their advantage will have gone. As for Ayr, Raith, Dunfermline, impossible to predict if they will throw money at it. Dunfermline have a potentially big support if they can put a good team on the park. So trying to forecast who is going to spend what at this stage is clearly difficult or impossible. But I think any Thistle team should be targeting 4th as a minimum otherwise we’re effectively giving up. If things become clearer during the season that four clubs have spent more than us then that should be part of the measure when marking our management scorecard at the end of the season, along with our style of play and whether we are attempting to bring one or two academy players into the mix each season rather than bang average loan players. Pretty much agree with this. Ayr spent a bit of money in January which didn’t work for them. I think Raith had one of the higher budgets in the last couple seasons thanks to Dundee Utd and Falkirk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 Plenty of good points and different perspectives in the above posts. In fact, trying to take them all in means that I'm not yet sure of what I think about the manager(s), our goals for the season ahead, or how we'll shape up in comparison. Maybe at least one or two things will be a bit clearer after tomorrow.... But will this forum still be active then.........(?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Gekantawa Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 20 hours ago, Jimmy McD said: If Imrie gets the gig I for one will not be a happy bunny.. and I don't think I will be the only one.. I have seen this from a number of our fans. Genuine question (not just for you but everyone who doesn’t like Imrie)- why do you dislike him so much? It can’t be just his questionable choice of trouser wear! I get that he was an irritating opponent- but opponents are meant to be an irritant. Is there however something more specific that I missed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert's Ghost Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 10 minutes ago, Duke Gekantawa said: I have seen this from a number of our fans. Genuine question (not just for you but everyone who doesn’t like Imrie)- why do you dislike him so much? It can’t be just his questionable choice of trouser wear! I get that he was an irritating opponent- but opponents are meant to be an irritant. Is there however something more specific that I missed? I don't see enough evidence to suggest he'd be an improvement on Brian & Mark, who I think have done pretty well barring the recent defeats to Airdrie and particularly Hamilton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 6 minutes ago, Duke Gekantawa said: I have seen this from a number of our fans. Genuine question (not just for you but everyone who doesn’t like Imrie)- why do you dislike him so much? It can’t be just his questionable choice of trouser wear! I get that he was an irritating opponent- but opponents are meant to be an irritant. Is there however something more specific that I missed? I'm sitting on the fence re Imrie. So I'm generalising when I say you shouldn't just employ a manager on results alone. You've got to also take into consideration a perceived willingness of players to want to play for a certain manager. Also the manager represents the Club most often at the sharp end. However the character references may be less of an importance under the Sporting Director/Head Coach set up but like any other job folk are rarely employed on talent and ability alone. Gotta be part of a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Gekantawa Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 46 minutes ago, Albert's Ghost said: I don't see enough evidence to suggest he'd be an improvement on Brian & Mark, who I think have done pretty well barring the recent defeats to Airdrie and particularly Hamilton. Fair enough, and I get that some will have reservations due to, or be impressed by his actual management record at Morton. That is clearly valid. What I was driving at though, is an impression (possibly mistaken on my part) that there is something about Imrie as a person which means that some would be very unhappy if he joined us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG1970 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 Re Imrie… I guess some folk don’t like him as he was a fiery opponent on the field. Not sure he’s done enough to be in the running for our next manager. If the board are interested in him perhaps they see him as a potential John Lambie, able to get the most out of players with a smallish budget but I’ve really not followed his managerial record closely enough to know. Maybe I should just go and wash my mouth out having mentioned Imrie in the same sentence as the Great Lambino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert's Ghost Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 10 minutes ago, Duke Gekantawa said: Fair enough, and I get that some will have reservations due to, or be impressed by his actual management record at Morton. That is clearly valid. What I was driving at though, is an impression (possibly mistaken on my part) that there is something about Imrie as a person which means that some would be very unhappy if he joined us. I like Imrie, and admired him as a player. I believe we tried quite hard to sign him - would have been good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 3 minutes ago, Albert's Ghost said: I like Imrie, and admired him as a player. I believe we tried quite hard to sign him - would have been good. I recall him playing against us at Firhill for Clyde when we were rumoured to be trying to sign him. I remember him answering to the crowd around me in the JHS when asked if he was signing along the lines that no one had asked him. I know at the time many were hopeful we would sign him. Unfortunately he went to ICT a few days later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy McD Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 What has he done in his managerial career! Zilch...if he's the best we can get, we are far better with BG.and MW.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Gekantawa Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 16 minutes ago, Jimmy McD said: What has he done in his managerial career! Zilch...if he's the best we can get, we are far better with BG.and MW.. Ok, so it looks like I've got the wrong end of the stick and it's simply that people think we can do better based on what he's done at Morton- fair enough then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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