Jaggernaut Posted June 2 Report Share Posted June 2 9 hours ago, laukat said: On the plus side at least we're not Dundee. Sacking Docherty for Pressley seems a bit wild. Neither us or Dundee have so far shown the value of having a sporting director/director football role in the last few weeks. Hmm, what should our sporting director have done since his appointment a few weeks ago that would have "shown the value" of having him, in your opinion? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted June 3 Report Share Posted June 3 8 hours ago, Jaggernaut said: Hmm, what should our sporting director have done since his appointment a few weeks ago that would have "shown the value" of having him, in your opinion? I suppose my comments fall into two categories. Stuff that should have been done better without a Sporting Director and stuff that the Sporting Director should have added value to/been able to bring different options So the head coach recruitment and how to deal with Graham & Wilson shouldn't have required a Sporting Director to make a better fist of that. However if we were going to run a long recruitment process then the Sporting Director should add value by establishing viable candidates that the board wouldn't normally consider, hadn't applied or weren't aware of the vacancy. Bestall inferred yesterday that the names in the media were the ones under consideration so there really wasn't a candidate that made me think I can see where the Sporting Director has earned his money. We have a batch of players out of contract and it shouldn't need the Sporting Director to manage an update outlining who we were in discussions with, who we are releasing etc as we do that every year. However the Sporting Director could clearly have been talking to agents players much earlier to establish costs of renewing contracts on those ending so that the new head coach had a single task of indicating to the sporting director which ones he would like to keep. Instead it appears like that process didn't start until Wilson was appointed and its not clear how well that's working with Barraclough on honeymoon. For example - Rumour is Mitchell is signing for Ayr today. Is that because we chose not to offer a deal, offered a deal that he knocked back, we have a recruitment strategy that means we won't offer deals to over 30's or because we weren't organised enough to give him an offer? We've just made an important appointment (possibly 2 if we now have a head of recruitment) and we've not done a great job of managing the message. Again we should be able to do better without needing a sporting director however rather than the Sporting Director being in front of the camera's explaining how it fits with his plans and equally giving an update on recruitment plans we have Wilson and Bestall trying their best to defend the concept of a Sporting Director. What we should get from a Sporting Director is a bit more polished and joined up media relations that drives an agenda but the last few weeks feel like we're just reacting to criticism with vague notions of how it all might work Hopefully the above is just teething issues but so far I don't see what we are paying the extra wage for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted June 3 Report Share Posted June 3 I see Paul McDonald (former of this parish) is St Johnstone's new head of academy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted June 3 Report Share Posted June 3 17 hours ago, Lambies Lost Doo said: I thought the interview was fine. With only 9 full time staff members and lots of volunteers including the chairman what are people expecting? Sporting Director oversees all football including Youth, women and men. Deals with agents, contracts, £ and the board. Recruitment & scouting is shared between him, head coach, (prob assistant) and scouts. Head coach deals with training, matchday, squad. Sporting Director role in other clubs can be called Chief Exec, Director of Football, Technical Director all depending on size of club and ideas. Where did it state the Sporting Director looks after the Woman's Team ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted June 3 Report Share Posted June 3 (edited) 19 hours ago, ChiThistle said: We’re seeing the challenging side to fan ownership, which offers a dose of reality: - We can’t overspend - Big cash injections probably won’t happen unless they are gifts from wealthy supporters or, in the case of DM, paid for with shares. - We likely wont have access to emergency credit lines (they require fees and it helps to have a big financial backer) - But those won’t be issues if we don’t overspend - Budgeting is even more critical under fan ownership. Otherwise we can run into more situations like Tranche 1 and 2. - This means we need to maximize revenue however we can. Yeah, supporters may be asked to pay more but they are trying to find cost effective value in return. Doesn’t cost a thing to have fans attend a training session, for example. - This also means we need to ramp up “production” at the academy. This means playing the kids way more than we have and selling them later. If we don’t play the kids, fan ownership wont work. If we play the kids but they leave on a free, fan ownership will only get us so far. - I give our elected board a little bit of grace, as fan ownership means leadership by community. I don’t think anyone in our fan base has ever run a football club, and the only person with CEO experience is busy running a semiconductor company in America. So I can understand if interviews don’t seem as polished. I’m not even positive that if Richard Beastall ever stepped down that there would be people champing at the bit to take his place. (Do we even know for a fact that it was a competition to see who would lead the board??) It’s a high profile, very involved position and even the business leaders among us might not be used to the kind of exposure it brings. At any rate, I think these are just the realities of fan ownership and what we are seeing are a lot of speed bumps and an impatient (understandably) fan base. I think we will know within a couple seasons whether this can work for us. And by “work”, I mean “deliver both stability and success”. So in essence your saying - we stick with what we have because there isn't an alternative ? Fan Ownership is just that - we have an Owner - No different from any other Club It does not mean "leadership by community " - and your correct - None of our Fan Base have ever run a Football Club ( and neither had our Board ) but there are lots who have run Businesses Its an urban myth that we are stuck with some sort of Status Quo because of "Fan Ownership" And we don't have an "elected board" we have two elected Board Members out of a Board of Seven Edited June 3 by Jordanhill Jag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted June 3 Author Report Share Posted June 3 People have absolutely no idea what's going on behind the scenes but have a lot of opinions on it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAGSMAN1968 Posted June 3 Report Share Posted June 3 4 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said: It's an urban myth that we are stuck with some sort of Status Quo because of "Fan Ownership". "Whatever You Want" Sorry, I'll get my coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted June 3 Report Share Posted June 3 4 hours ago, Lambies Lost Doo said: People have absolutely no idea what's going on behind the scenes but have a lot of opinions on it I think you may be one of the great philosophers of our time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow & Redneck Posted June 5 Report Share Posted June 5 With the partnership entering a new stage Richard wishes to clarify one point as he explained: “I spoke recently about watching footage of Mark Wilson in the dressing room ahead of his appointment as our new head coach. I incorrectly attributed this to the documentary team and for that I apologise.” “The footage came from elsewhere and was added to the observations I and other directors have personally seen of Mark.” Fantastic from our Chairman as always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted June 5 Report Share Posted June 5 1 hour ago, Yellow & Redneck said: With the partnership entering a new stage Richard wishes to clarify one point as he explained: “I spoke recently about watching footage of Mark Wilson in the dressing room ahead of his appointment as our new head coach. I incorrectly attributed this to the documentary team and for that I apologise.” “The footage came from elsewhere and was added to the observations I and other directors have personally seen of Mark.” Fantastic from our Chairman as always. I agree that this does seem remarkably careless. Anything to do with viewing and using footage of another person has to be sensitively handled, and comments about it should be considered and accurate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted June 5 Report Share Posted June 5 2 hours ago, partickthedog said: I agree that this does seem remarkably careless. Anything to do with viewing and using footage of another person has to be sensitively handled, and comments about it should be considered and accurate. Remember that RB was one of 4 randoms that JLo selected to progress a fan takeover of the Club. At no point were his credentials as future Club Chairman ever assessed. He might be out of his depth now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted June 5 Report Share Posted June 5 2 hours ago, sandy said: Remember that RB was one of 4 randoms that JLo selected to progress a fan takeover of the Club. At no point were his credentials as future Club Chairman ever assessed. He might be out of his depth now. I think that there were 5 “stooges”, to use Graham Spiers’ expression! But I agree with your general point. It is difficult for him to overcome that undeniable history. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alb Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 If only we'd waited a little longer we'd have got Ange, pretty sure he couldn't have resisted the urge to return to Glasgow but to the one team in Glasgow this time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornwoodjag Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 After listening to Marks latest interview, we are either going to be dug meat or a real surprise package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 50 minutes ago, thornwoodjag said: After listening to Marks latest interview, we are either going to be dug meat or a real surprise package. Obviously results are the most important thing but I do like the way he talks about his plans. Pre season testing on the 17th & 18th of this month with training starting on the 19th. It has not been mentioned anywhere I have seen but I am assuming the sporting director will be back to work on Monday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 Unless he has a groin strain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiThistle Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 A sporting director worth his salt would have tried to negotiate a bulk discount by coordinating honeymoons with the Bannigans. Tsk tsk. I don’t know if this SD thing is gonna work out. 😆 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted June 6 Author Report Share Posted June 6 3 hours ago, thornwoodjag said: After listening to Marks latest interview, we are either going to be dug meat or a real surprise package. Is there a link to a new interview? Nothing on official site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornwoodjag Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 1 hour ago, Lambies Lost Doo said: Is there a link to a new interview? Nothing on official site. Sorry, was on jagzone. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornwoodjag Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 3 hours ago, Fawlty Towers said: Obviously results are the most important thing but I do like the way he talks about his plans. Pre season testing on the 17th & 18th of this month with training starting on the 19th. It has not been mentioned anywhere I have seen but I am assuming the sporting director will be back to work on Monday? No idea. How long is the average honeymoon these days ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 11 hours ago, thornwoodjag said: After listening to Marks latest interview, we are either going to be dug meat or a real surprise package. Is that not Thistle every season at this point ? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG1970 Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 Confirms he wasn’t comfortable with the sporting director oversight, although I do wonder if he would have taken it had Falkirk not called. All in the past now. https://www.falkirkherald.co.uk/sport/football/falkirk-fc/brian-graham-reviews-falkirk-move-and-partick-thistle-exit-5186100 scroll down to Graham reveals why he left Partick Thistle for Falkirk “Don’t get me wrong, it was a big decision to leave Partick Thistle,” he said. “I was offered the head coach role and Mark (Wilson) was going to be the assistant. I wish them well next year, it’s no hard feelings. I wish Mark and the players who are still there and whoever comes in a really good season next year. But when I said at the tail end of the year that if I wasn’t taking the manager’s job or I wasn’t getting the manager’s job, it was going to be really difficult for me to go into the changing room, I still stand by that. And when I got the opportunity to take the job on, then there’s a few things that... It’s head coach, you’re not actually the manager, you’re a head coach and I don’t think that was for me. That’s one of the reasons why I decided, do you know what, I want to just go and play for another year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 Don't want to dwell too much on someone who now is not involved with the club but Graham did not know until offered the job that it was Head Coach and not Manager - I find that hard to believe as everyone on here knew that. Anyway, good luck to him next season (unless we get Falkirk in a cup game or the play offs). There was another good interview with Mark Wilson on Jagzone yesterday and I like the way he is going about things so far. I hope that he gets all the support that those above him can give. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted June 22 Author Report Share Posted June 22 I think another crack at the top league, working and learning with John McGlynn and the deserved pay rise would be a massive draw for him. And who could blame him for that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 15 minutes ago, Fawlty Towers said: Don't want to dwell too much on someone who now is not involved with the club but Graham did not know until offered the job that it was Head Coach and not Manager - I find that hard to believe as everyone on here knew that. Anyway, good luck to him next season (unless we get Falkirk in a cup game or the play offs). There was another good interview with Mark Wilson on Jagzone yesterday and I like the way he is going about things so far. I hope that he gets all the support that those above him can give. He’s talking absolute nonsense, Ian Barraclough had already started as Sporting Director so he knew what the template was before he was interviewed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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