Livi Friday Away

[Aliballibee]

I played golf with two Hibees this week and they both wanted us to win; hated Livingston!

[elevenone]

pi$h, woeful season.  fans deserve better and good clear out needed from top to bottom.  that’s my 2c.

[Fawlty Towers]

Don't think there was that much between the sides over the 2 games - would like to have seen how it would have gone with a few of the injured players playing.

Great backing from the supporters again tonight - all you could hear during the game was the Thistle fans.

Plans should have been put in place for both scenarios (going out at this stage or the final and getting promoted) and the Board need to take the weekend to finalise them before we start "Operation Promotion 25/26" on Monday. Other teeams are selling season tickets, releasing players, talking to targets, etc and we cannot afford to be playing catch up.

 

[Third Lanark]

19 minutes ago, Fawlty Towers said:

Don't think there was that much between the sides over the 2 games - would like to have seen how it would have gone with a few of the injured players playing.

Great backing from the supporters again tonight - all you could hear during the game was the Thistle fans.

Plans should have been put in place for both scenarios (going out at this stage or the final and getting promoted) and the Board need to take the weekend to finalise them before we start "Operation Promotion 25/26" on Monday. Other teeams are selling season tickets, releasing players, talking to targets, etc and we cannot afford to be playing catch up.

 

I don’t really think their keeper had many saves to make over the 2 games.

agree completely with al your other points though mate

[exiledjag]

I acknowledge the season long grumbles and the long list of injuries - tonight we had 6 academy youngsters on the bench - that weakened the squad  over the play-off games.

When it comes to clear outs and major surgery my question is do we have the money to do this?

I think we need to find a mid-field.

IIn defence I think Mitchell (despite tonight) McBeth, Ashcroft and O'Reilly are worth retaining. In Jamie Low I think we have a player there.

In mid-field Turner & Lawless. 

In attack I like the pace of Adlabe  Chalmers and Jakubiack.

Perhaps give Graham, Stanway and McKenzie another season  the latter two to prove themselves.

I don't know enough about the academy players to make comment.

The above though still leaves us short of a right full back,  strength and creativity in mid-field and a goal scorer in attack  Graham can't go on forever!

In closing  the players and management should be given a lot of credit not only for making it to the play-offs but reaching the semi-final.

We do though need a significant doze of fresh air throughout the club

 

[King Kenny]

Thought we did ok tonight but we never really carried a threat. 
 

Worrying thing is the amount of the squad who are signed up next season, some are nowhere near the level needed. 
 

I don’t see it with Stanway. Puts himself about but rarely plays it forward and is seriously unfit for a guy his age. Perhaps injuries have caught up with him this year and a good pre season will see him approve. 
 

Our biggest issue this season has been the midfield and we have most of them signed up again. 
 

A big job for the new manager to make something of the squad they will inherit. 
 

Great to see young Dolan get on, he looked composed. 
 

McBeth was excellent again tonight, start with him at centre half next season and take it from there. Well done to the fans who travelled, a great support as always. 

[JAG1970]

23 minutes ago, Fawlty Towers said:

Plans should have been put in place for both scenarios (going out at this stage or the final and getting promoted) and the Board need to take the weekend to finalise them before we start "Operation Promotion 25/26" on Monday. Other teeams are selling season tickets, releasing players, talking to targets, etc and we cannot afford to be playing catch up.

 

Agree.. board now need to press the button on preparation for next season. No reason not to announce the management position by Monday. Graham is leaving if he doesn’t get the job. 

[Fawlty Towers]

Just now, JAG1970 said:

Agree.. board now need to press the button on preparation for next season. No reason not to announce the management position by Monday. Graham is leaving if he doesn’t get the job. 

I think it is worth remembering he is under contract for next season so if he does not form part of the management team he can't just walk away.

[JAG1970]

Just now, Fawlty Towers said:

I think it is worth remembering he is under contract for next season so if he does not form part of the management team he can't just walk away.

I doubt he’ll be short of offers. I should qualify that it’s my opinion he would leave and not absolute fact. His actual quote:

Partick Thistle player/co-manager Brian Graham: "We didn't do enough in the first leg. I thought we were probably the better side [in the second leg]. When we were on top, we've got to score and we didn't do that, that's why we're out. The boys were a credit to the football club, the way they played.

"We were up for the job since day one. I knew stepping out that changing room, I couldn't go back to it so if I don't get the job, can I honestly be at the club? I don't know. There's a lot of questions need to be asked. I've loved my time at the football club. I don't know what the future holds."

[Third Lanark]

35 minutes ago, exiledjag said:

I acknowledge the season long grumbles and the long list of injuries - tonight we had 6 academy youngsters on the bench - that weakened the squad  over the play-off games.

When it comes to clear outs and major surgery my question is do we have the money to do this?

I think we need to find a mid-field.

IIn defence I think Mitchell (despite tonight) McBeth, Ashcroft and O'Reilly are worth retaining. In Jamie Low I think we have a player there.

In mid-field Turner & Lawless. 

In attack I like the pace of Adlabe  Chalmers and Jakubiack.

Perhaps give Graham, Stanway and McKenzie another season  the latter two to prove themselves.

I don't know enough about the academy players to make comment.

The above though still leaves us short of a right full back,  strength and creativity in mid-field and a goal scorer in attack  Graham can't go on forever!

In closing  the players and management should be given a lot of credit not only for making it to the play-offs but reaching the semi-final.

We do though need a significant doze of fresh air throughout the club

 

Ablade and jackubiak might have pace but as they are strikers their goal returns are not great.  I would hope we could do better.  Plus Ablade is on loan from Fulham so we might need to pay a fee.

 

[jlsarmy]

34 minutes ago, Fawlty Towers said:

I think it is worth remembering he is under contract for next season so if he does not form part of the management team he can't just walk away.

First of all , love Brian Graham as a player and the goals he’s scored for our Club but he’s coming across badly in the media.

Should he really be holding our Club to ransom re not getting the manager’s job.

I personally don’t think he’s done enough in his tenure to merit the job , the games against Airdrie and Hamilton back that up 

The timing of Brian Graham’s interview in the media this morning left a lot to be desired with such an important game on the horizon, is it all really about BG and his ego ?
As for fitting back into the dressing room, it shouldn’t be an issue as I’m sure he’s got the respect of the players and will be forgotten if it helps them get win bonuses.

The Club hold all the ace cards in this scenario and as Fawlty Towers said he’s under contract for another year.

Edited May 16 by jlsarmy

[stolenscone]

Is it wrong to feel a sense of relief?

 

[Jag36]

3 minutes ago, jlsarmy said:

First of all , love Brian Graham as a player and the goals he’s scored for our Club but he’s coming across badly in the media.

Should he really be holding our Club to ransom re not getting the manager’s job.

I personally don’t think he’s done enough in his tenure to merit the job , the games against Airdrie and Hamilton back that up 

The timing of Brian Graham’s interview in the media this morning left a lot to be desired with such an important game on the horizon, is it all really about BG and his ego ?
As for fitting back into the dressing room, it shouldn’t be an issue as I’m sure he’s got the respect of the players and will be forgotten if helps them get win bonuses.

The Club hold all the ace cards in this scenario and as Fawlty Towers said he’s under contract for another year.

Definitely sounded like 'i'm walking if i don't get the job' but maybe just being honest that can't go back to being just another player after having the job for that long. Personally wouldn't mind A Graham/Wilson partnership with an emphasis on bring youngsters into the team, and more of a long-term goal. No other 'outstanding candidates' in the running but would like to see Graham calming the i can do all the jobs routine if it happens

[jlsarmy]

4 minutes ago, Jag36 said:

Definitely sounded like 'i'm walking if i don't get the job' but maybe just being honest that can't go back to being just another player after having the job for that long. Personally wouldn't mind A Graham/Wilson partnership with an emphasis on bring youngsters into the team, and more of a long-term goal. No other 'outstanding candidates' in the running but would like to see Graham calming the i can do all the jobs routine if it happens

I don’t think BG has the patience to build year on year , bring through youngsters and coach players he hasn’t signed.

 

[dibble]

Graham and Wilson should be given the job no question . The players definitely play for them just not got enough quality . It’s very easy for teams to end up near the bottom of the championship -be a big risk hate to appoint an outsider and we end up thinking shit - should have kept what we know . I’m afraid I’m burnt with the Caldwell experiment. 

Edited May 16 by dibble

[dibble]

Holding Graham to another years contract if he doesn’t get the job would be a disaster - we would let him go . 

[Jaggernaut]

1 hour ago, Lambies Lost Doo said:

 

We have a good spine for next season.  

Maybe, if you discard the clearly arthritic elements. We're supposed to be a fit and ambitious fitba club, not a retreat/care-home for long-should-be-retired footballers who clearly can't keep up with the pace required.

[laukat]

It was bridge too far tonight however Graham & Wilson deserve enormous credit for getting us to this point given the shambles of a squad they inherited.

Graham can come across as over confident and a little self obsessed but the guy is an absolute leader. I reckon there were 2 or 3 guys playing tonight with an injury who played 90 minutes because they got behind him. Jamie Low's performance away to Ayr was in part due to Graham making him believe he could do it.

Unless we have Mourinho waiting in the wings we would be daft not to give Graham & Wilson the job. Anyone else coming in is going to get haunted by references to Graham & Wilson if they don't get off to a flier.

I have a fear that Graham & Wilson know who the new manager is and think he's a bit of a numpty. My money right now is on Barraclough making a Caldwell-esque appointment that has us sliding down the league.

Also I think tonight should be a thanks for the efforts to Bannigan but we need to move on

[Jaggernaut]

1 hour ago, Fawlty Towers said:

I think it is worth remembering he is under contract for next season so if he does not form part of the management team he can't just walk away.

Let him go if he wants, if it saves us a wage. Great scoring record. Woeful misses time after time.

[Yellow & Redneck]

Does anyone know the status of Dan MacKay? Was originally supposed to be out for four months...that was in August last year. 

[Jaggernaut]

36 minutes ago, stolenscone said:

Is it wrong to feel a sense of relief?

 

I think that many of us are relieved that this horrible season is over.

Well done to a mediocre squad for getting us this far; same goes to the three managers. But did any of us really believe that this team would be capable of either winning the division or winning the play-offs? I hoped that somehow a miracle might happen, but deep down I knew we simply weren't good enough compared to Falkirk and Livi, and whoever the Premiership team involved will be.

This season saw us produce some of the poorest, negative performances I can remember since the Dick Campell era, and several unacceptable results along the way.

I'm happy it's over; already looking forward to new faces, a re-charged squad and support. Next season looks like it could be a tougher division, so we need to be prepared.

Monra Jags!

[Jaggernaut]

11 minutes ago, laukat said:

It was bridge too far tonight however Graham & Wilson deserve enormous credit for getting us to this point given the shambles of a squad they inherited.

Graham can come across as over confident and a little self obsessed but the guy is an absolute leader. I reckon there were 2 or 3 guys playing tonight with an injury who played 90 minutes because they got behind him. Jamie Low's performance away to Ayr was in part due to Graham making him believe he could do it.

Unless we have Mourinho waiting in the wings we would be daft not to give Graham & Wilson the job. Anyone else coming in is going to get haunted by references to Graham & Wilson if they don't get off to a flier.

I have a fear that Graham & Wilson know who the new manager is and think he's a bit of a numpty. My money right now is on Barraclough making a Caldwell-esque appointment that has us sliding down the league.

Also I think tonight should be a thanks for the efforts to Bannigan but we need to move on

General agreement with all of that.

The Barraclough appointment looks to me right now like a crazy, unjustifiable waste of resources.

[Jordanhill Jag]

49 minutes ago, jlsarmy said:

First of all , love Brian Graham as a player and the goals he’s scored for our Club but he’s coming across badly in the media.

Should he really be holding our Club to ransom re not getting the manager’s job.

I personally don’t think he’s done enough in his tenure to merit the job , the games against Airdrie and Hamilton back that up 

The timing of Brian Graham’s interview in the media this morning left a lot to be desired with such an important game on the horizon, is it all really about BG and his ego ?
As for fitting back into the dressing room, it shouldn’t be an issue as I’m sure he’s got the respect of the players and will be forgotten if it helps them get win bonuses.

The Club hold all the ace cards in this scenario and as Fawlty Towers said he’s under contract for another year.

It was a power play - give me the job or you don't have a Striker for next Season - to be so blatant about it in a Post Match Interview was shocking 

[Jordanhill Jag]

51 minutes ago, stolenscone said:

Is it wrong to feel a sense of relief?

 

As an old work colleague of mine used to see - if your seeing light at the end of the Tunnel - make sure its not a Train coming in the opposite direction 😱😀

[laukat]

8 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

It was a power play - give me the job or you don't have a Striker for next Season - to be so blatant about it in a Post Match Interview was shocking 

I read it more as he knows he's not getting the job and is now making it public that he can't go back into a dressing room as a player. If he's being blatant or trying to make a power play on anything its about making it clear that he wants to be released from his playing contract.

However surely Barraclough and whoever else was involved in recruiting the new head coach knew that if Graham was passed over we lost him as a player? 

I struggle to think of any profession were a person in temporary charge and pursuing the job fulltime would be comfortable with being passed over and expected to return to normal duties?