jagfox Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 1. It 2.Is 3. Far 4.Too 5. Early 6. For 7. These 8. Predictions 9.Now 10. Morton 2 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 It is far too early to say as most clubs have still got considerable recruitment to do. To my mind the success of next season at this stage is about the state of clubs finances, how much recruitment they have to do and how experienced their mananager and what the club leadership is like and even that only indicates a range of where each team is likely to finish. St Johnstone and Ross county are probably best placed to compete for the league. Difficult to see them not being in the top 2. Raith and Ayr are pretty stable in terms of finances and management so probably going to be in an around the playoffs. Dunfermline have money and a decent manager but need to recruit well so again around the playoffs. All 3 teams are probably at best 3rd but at worst 7th Morton have just resolved their financial issues and having the most experienced manager in the league means they will be around mid table. I expect they will be at best 4th but no worse than 8th. Airdrie again look stable. Don't have the same turnover of players as last season so I expect them to towards mid table. Probably at best 6th and worst 9th Arbroath have a lot of optimism but they don't have many players under contract, even less who can play at championship level and have quite inexperienced co-managers. So I expect them to be around the relegation spots. At best they are 7th and at worst 10th. Queens Park have a lot of cost cutting to do with a novice manager so I expect they will also struggle. Like Arbroath at best 7th and at worst 10th We are cost cutting, have an inexperienced manager, unproven recruitment team and a board that don't look like string leaders. So more in common with Arbroath and Queens Park then the other teams in the league. Were we probably have an advantage is we still have a decent core of a starting 11 and arguably 3 of the best defenders in the league plus some pretty decent wingers so don't face the same scale o recruitment as Dunfermline, Morton, Arbroath and Ross County. So we are probably are the most difficult team to predict were we finish as we could be anywhere from 3rd to 9th. Recent actions indicate we will be at the lower end of that range but if we get our act together we could well towards the upper end. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 17 minutes ago, laukat said: Dunfermline have money and a decent manager but need to recruit well so again around the playoffs. All 3 teams are probably at best 3rd but at worst 7th. Who is the decent manager at Dunfermline ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 1 hour ago, Dick Dastardly said: Who is the decent manager at Dunfermline ? I think most Dunfermline fans would say anyone but McPake? In all seriousness - Which manager of a championship club is better than Lennon? Valakari has a decent record in Finland and Latvia but after that no-one in the league gets close. Robson, McCabe, Imrie, Brown, Wilson plus Hamilton & Gold have potential of varying degrees Cowie hasn't been great but maybe could turn a corner. Crighton at Queens Park has almost no experience to base an opinion on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 Lennon has done bugger all unless he had twice the budget of anyone else in the league. I do take your point that the others are hardly the crème de la creme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted June 6 Author Report Share Posted June 6 4 hours ago, laukat said: We are cost cutting, have an inexperienced manager, unproven recruitment team and a board that don't look like string leaders. So more in common with Arbroath and Queens Park then the other teams in the league. Were we probably have an advantage is we still have a decent core of a starting 11 and arguably 3 of the best defenders in the league plus some pretty decent wingers so don't face the same scale o recruitment as Dunfermline, Morton, Arbroath and Ross County. So we are probably are the most difficult team to predict were we finish as we could be anywhere from 3rd to 9th. Recent actions indicate we will be at the lower end of that range but if we get our act together we could well towards the upper end. If our board are not string leaders, hopefully they will do a decent job with the brass section. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 2 hours ago, Dick Dastardly said: Lennon has done bugger all unless he had twice the budget of anyone else in the league. I do take your point that the others are hardly the crème de la creme What happened to the second grave accent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 59 minutes ago, partickthedog said: If our board are not string leaders, hopefully they will do a decent job with the brass section. I think their expertise lies in the wind section of the orchestra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 22 minutes ago, Jaggernaut said: What happened to the second grave accent? More interested in how the first one got there. I blame the board, sporting director, referee and/or Stuart Bannigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 56 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: More interested in how the first one got there. I blame the board, sporting director, referee and/or Stuart Bannigan Ah, right!: half-arsed pretentiousness! (Or maybe just positive spin?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted June 7 Author Report Share Posted June 7 As the flood of submissions has slowed to a trickle, here is a quick analysis of the 19 predictions made thus far. Where posters listed all 10 places, I have awarded 20 points for first right down to 2 for tenth. Where posters made definite statements for some and more general predictions for the rest, I have endeavoured to allocate the same number of points appropriately. Accordingly the forum conclusion is as follows (with number of points in brackets): 1. St Johnstone (331) 2. Ross County (321) 3. Dunfermline (281) 4. Raith Rovers (268) 5. Ayr United (247) 6. Partick Thistle (219) 7. Morton (120) 8. Airdrie (118) 9. Arbroath (116) 10. Queen's Park (69) Accordingly St Johnstone and Ross County will battle each other to decide who wins the league, and who goes into the play offs, but can sit out the first round. Dunfermline and Raith Rovers occupy the final two play off spots, with Ayr United possibly having a say in that conversation. Thistle are in a lonely but safe 6th place (mid-table mediocrity?). Morton, Airdrie and Arbroath fight like tigers to avoid the relegation play off place, and Queen's Park are utterly doomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted June 8 Report Share Posted June 8 I predict that the Jags will pleasantly surprise all of the pessimists (or realists) and blow the other teams away, starting from very early on in the season, and maintaining their excellent form right to the end (with a short-lived lull in results due to injuries and suspensions). Thank you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted June 8 Report Share Posted June 8 4 hours ago, Jaggernaut said: I predict that the Jags will pleasantly surprise all of the pessimists (or realists) and blow the other teams away, starting from very early on in the season, and maintaining their excellent form right to the end (with a short-lived lull in results due to injuries and suspensions). Thank you. I think that is worth 150 points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanieD Posted June 8 Report Share Posted June 8 Ross appear to be dipping into the chairman's bank account early in this window with the acquisition of Gallacher from Dundee United - which might be an indication of the challenges we might face as regards our own recruitment in order to make some kind of impression in the league this coming season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky jag Posted June 8 Report Share Posted June 8 It’s depressingly predictable that the top 2 will run away again at the top. The last time a relegated team did not win promotion, if im not wrong, was us? since then, dundee (twice), dundee utd, killie, livingston, have all been relegated, and got promoted first time of asking (livi obvs thru play offs). this is a real problem, no-one in media seems even remotely aware of. Falkirk this year being a promoted team and winning the league kinda messes my argument up, but the point still stands that the teams coming down are too strong. And its going to repeat this year we all seem sure on that… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted June 8 Report Share Posted June 8 2 minutes ago, chunky jag said: It’s depressingly predictable that the top 2 will run away again at the top. The last time a relegated team did not win promotion, if im not wrong, was us? since then, dundee (twice), dundee utd, killie, livingston, have all been relegated, and got promoted first time of asking (livi obvs thru play offs). this is a real problem, no-one in media seems even remotely aware of. Falkirk this year being a promoted team and winning the league kinda messes my argument up, but the point still stands that the teams coming down are too strong. And its going to repeat this year we all seem sure on that… This just shows the protectionism that prevails in the Premiership. The parachute payments are more to keep the clubs in line when they are part of the "club" than any fair distribution of income. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted June 8 Report Share Posted June 8 1 hour ago, chunky jag said: It’s depressingly predictable that the top 2 will run away again at the top. The last time a relegated team did not win promotion, if im not wrong, was us? since then, dundee (twice), dundee utd, killie, livingston, have all been relegated, and got promoted first time of asking (livi obvs thru play offs). this is a real problem, no-one in media seems even remotely aware of. Falkirk this year being a promoted team and winning the league kinda messes my argument up, but the point still stands that the teams coming down are too strong. And its going to repeat this year we all seem sure on that… Did St J & Ross not also win promotions at first time of asking? Including the season after Ross & us were relegated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jags on tour Posted June 8 Report Share Posted June 8 2 hours ago, chunky jag said: It’s depressingly predictable that the top 2 will run away again at the top. The last time a relegated team did not win promotion, if im not wrong, was us? since then, dundee (twice), dundee utd, killie, livingston, have all been relegated, and got promoted first time of asking (livi obvs thru play offs). this is a real problem, no-one in media seems even remotely aware of. Falkirk this year being a promoted team and winning the league kinda messes my argument up, but the point still stands that the teams coming down are too strong. And its going to repeat this year we all seem sure on that… Hamilton aswell, they were relegated in May 2021 and haven’t been back up since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dl1971 Posted June 8 Report Share Posted June 8 Obviously impossible to call at this point. What i would say is most thistle fans last season thought we had a good squad capable of promotion ( early season ), but were soon proved wrong. Budgets can be mispent so that may apply to our competitors. My gut is somewhere between 3rd n 6th, but much will depend on our signings and of course if we keep our better players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted June 8 Report Share Posted June 8 During last season I think we alone never looked likely to be either challenging for the title or getting dragged into the relegation zone. Ayr for a good time and Livingston looked possible league winners. All the clubs below us had nervous spells over a protracted period up until Accies got their points deduction. What added to what I consider a rather unmemorable season were our prompt exits from the cups. Shame as with relatively little to either play for or worry about in the league we would've been able to concentrate on cup ties. This coming season I fancy we'll have a good few more nail biting moments in the league. It would be grand to progress in at least one of the two major cups but I reckon we'll be more concerned about not dropping below mid table. Anyway with less continuity within the squad, and thus more players to bed in, we'll do well to get out of our League Cup group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted June 8 Report Share Posted June 8 4 hours ago, scotty said: This just shows the protectionism that prevails in the Premiership. The parachute payments are more to keep the clubs in line when they are part of the "club" than any fair distribution of income. They also get far higher monies awarded for their final league position. We are due around £6000,000, the relegated teams get around 3 times that. Also there are UEFA solidarity payments. While they are meant to be ear-marked for youth development and community schemes I am sure some creative accounting goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted June 8 Report Share Posted June 8 14 hours ago, partickthedog said: As the flood of submissions has slowed to a trickle, here is a quick analysis of the 19 predictions made thus far. Where posters listed all 10 places, I have awarded 20 points for first right down to 2 for tenth. Where posters made definite statements for some and more general predictions for the rest, I have endeavoured to allocate the same number of points appropriately. Accordingly the forum conclusion is as follows (with number of points in brackets): 1. St Johnstone (331) 2. Ross County (321) 3. Dunfermline (281) 4. Raith Rovers (268) 5. Ayr United (247) 6. Partick Thistle (219) 7. Morton (120) 8. Airdrie (118) 9. Arbroath (116) 10. Queen's Park (69) Accordingly St Johnstone and Ross County will battle each other to decide who wins the league, and who goes into the play offs, but can sit out the first round. Dunfermline and Raith Rovers occupy the final two play off spots, with Ayr United possibly having a say in that conversation. Thistle are in a lonely but safe 6th place (mid-table mediocrity?). Morton, Airdrie and Arbroath fight like tigers to avoid the relegation play off place, and Queen's Park are utterly doomed. I think that’s a pretty realistic ranking of next seasons teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted June 8 Report Share Posted June 8 2 hours ago, jagfox said: They also get far higher monies awarded for their final league position. We are due around £6000,000, the relegated teams get around 3 times that. Also there are UEFA solidarity payments. While they are meant to be ear-marked for youth development and community schemes I am sure some creative accounting goes on. I don’t think there is any Eufa money this year. Last year, they got 2 years worth so that it is no longer paid in arrears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 This will be an interesting thread to look back on when we're sitting fourth and everyone is screaming for the manager's head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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