Arbroath v Jags

[garryc]

12 minutes ago, Camjag said:

Do Arbroath have a stream? Their site's a bit ambiguous.

Yes, I’ve got it on

[thistle4celtic1]

44 minutes ago, scotty said:

Sportsound reporting by phone from Gayfield. No Jagzone so far. Casualty of the weather?

Jagzone audio working here.

To be honest, it's starting to border on unbearable listening for me.

Love listening to Christopher call the games but I can't say the same for his sidekick. Less is better IMO. Way too much extra, needless commentary. I really don't care if most goalies like to line their bye kicks up with a goalpost as opposed to taking it from the centre of the goal. 

Never thought I'd miss Michael Max this much.

 

[CillitB4ng]

28 minutes ago, BowenBoys said:

Yes if, like me, you happen to be in France this afternoon. £20 monthly subscription. Don't forget to cancel later.

 

Managed to get it working and didnt have to leave the country this week.

[CillitB4ng]

21 minutes ago, thistle4celtic1 said:

Jagzone audio working here.

To be honest, it's starting to border on unbearable listening for me.

Love listening to Christopher call the games but I can't say the same for his sidekick. Less is better IMO. Way too much extra, needless commentary. I really don't care if most goalies like to line their bye kicks up with a goalpost as opposed to taking it from the centre of the goal. 

Never thought I'd miss Michael Max this much.

 

Have to agree with this.

At least we're not playing Err or Erdrie today. 

[Jaggernaut]

No Chalmers or Fitzpatrick, zero goalscoring threat. Their keeper had one great save, but overall they've defended very well, and our players just can't cope with the gale. Now we're gonnae have to defend against a probable onslaught to try and get one point.

[scotty]

28 minutes ago, thistle4celtic1 said:

Jagzone audio working here.

To be honest, it's starting to border on unbearable listening for me.

Love listening to Christopher call the games but I can't say the same for his sidekick. Less is better IMO. Way too much extra, needless commentary. I really don't care if most goalies like to line their bye kicks up with a goalpost as opposed to taking it from the centre of the goal. 

Never thought I'd miss Michael Max this much.

 

If they would even swap mikes!

[Jaggernaut]

Ten minutes in, and Arbroath have had more shots on target than we mustered in the entire first half. 

Oh, and a goal.

[Fearchar]

I hope and trust that in the dressing room after the game it was made clear that, regardless of conditions, losing to a 10-man team of part-timers is not what is expected of any Partick Thistle team.

[Albert's Ghost]

Poor from the players and the management today.  Arbroath very much in their element.

[thornwoodjag]

Well I had a good run at match threads. I’ll pass the baton on to somebody else for Tuesday. 

[Fawlty Towers]

Sounded like we did not take advantage of having the wind in the first half but also maybe over thought it in terms of changing shape.

Anyway, halfway point of the season and 3 points off the top with a 6 point lead over 3rd and 11 over 4th is, in my opinion, more than acceptable.

Tough game to start the second half next week against a Raith side that have put 6 past Ross County. Only home game in December so hopefully we get a big crowd for this one (leave the Christmas shopping to Sunday or do it online via easyfundraising).

[Auld Jag]

As disappointing as today's result is, as i was not at the game i can't comment about performance, it is all about getting a top 4 place imo and we are 12 points ahead of 5th and 6th.

[Lenziejag]

I knew somebody would come up with the part time rubbish.

[Camjag]

4 hours ago, BowenBoys said:

Yes if, like me, you happen to be in France this afternoon. £20 monthly subscription. Don't forget to cancel later.

 

Did happen to be passing through Holland, thanks!

[jagfox]

2 hours ago, thornwoodjag said:

Well I had a good run at match threads. I’ll pass the baton on to somebody else for Tuesday. 

👀🤪🇫🇷

[milhouse]

2 hours ago, Fearchar said:

I hope and trust that in the dressing room after the game it was made clear that, regardless of conditions, losing to a 10-man team of part-timers is not what is expected of any Partick Thistle team.

They have also beaten a number of other clubs.

 

2 hours ago, Auld Jag said:

As disappointing as today's result is, as i was not at the game i can't comment about performance, it is all about getting a top 4 place imo and we are 12 points ahead of 5th and 6th.

This is the closest we have had to resembling a title challenge at this level since 2012-13. We need to press on as much as possible. 35 points at halfway, if we keep it up we'd be there or thereabouts.

[laukat]

Leaving aside the score that was just an awful watch. Wind turned it into a farce. 70 minutes of the game was played in one half the pitch. Until Arbroath got the player sent off there was big case for getting a ticket refund as the home support got to see all the action and the away support were watching the ball pinging around the other end from afar. 

In fairness to Arbroath they took full advantage of the condition from the coin toss onwards. Choosing to give us the wind first half ruined Wilson's tactics of playing 3-5-2 into the wind and then hoping to use the wingers when we had the wind at our back.

Hard to be critical of the players or management as it was just a farce of a game. Learned nothing about either team other than the home team know how to play in conditions that they are more familiar with.

On a more worrying note we do have an increasing number of idiots watching us. A fight broke out in the middle of the crowd and the amount of drunk guys stumbling around the terracing wasn't great. All in all not a great day.

[Jimmy McD]

Just back from that, how that game was allowed to go ahead with the gale blowing, neither team had any control of the ball, if the cove was called off due to wind and I was 3 miles away when I found out it was, today was no different...

[dpj]

6 hours ago, Weebaw1 said:

Any premier team could pick McPake up in January fairly cheaply.

He should get the Hell out of there.

BBC Scotland reporting that he has signed pre contract with Hearts who want to get him in January

[JAG1970]

50 minutes ago, Jimmy McD said:

Just back from that, how that game was allowed to go ahead with the gale blowing, neither team had any control of the ball, if the cove was called off due to wind and I was 3 miles away when I found out it was, today was no different...

It’s frequently farcical playing conditions at Gayfield due to the wind but it seems to regularly get a pass because there’s an illogical acceptance that “it’s always been that way”. I seriously doubt that game - and indeed multiple other games at Gayfield over the years - would have been given the ok at any other stadium. 

[jaggy]

2 hours ago, Jimmy McD said:

Just back from that, how that game was allowed to go ahead with the gale blowing, neither team had any control of the ball, if the cove was called off due to wind and I was 3 miles away when I found out it was, today was no different...

I was thinking that today and have experienced it several times there. Farcical. Surely there should be some kind of wind speed level put in place to determine playable or not. 

[Jaggernaut]

6 hours ago, Fearchar said:

I hope and trust that in the dressing room after the game it was made clear that, regardless of conditions, losing to a 10-man team of part-timers is not what is expected of any Partick Thistle team.

The first mistake was The manager's team selection. No wingers, and two "strikers" who in fact are not what I would call strikers. Second mistake was trying to play tippy tappy when the part-timers were onto us every time, and the third mistake was players trying to pretend that there was no wind to take into account when the inevitable punt came after the tippy tappy stuff saw us going backwards instead of forwards.

Arbroath's shot towards our goal from the kick-off to the second half made it clear that they were going to use the wind to their advantage, instead of treating it like it was a massive obstacle to overcome, which looked like our mindset. A poor "professional" display by us.

The commentators made an interesting point: Arbroath have lost only one of their last 18 matches at Gayfield. They're a decent team.

[partickthedog]

It took until around the 70th minute for us to realise how to play against the wind (helped of course by having an extra player), and after that we were remarkably effective. Chalmers was electric in the short time allowed for him, and his cross for the goal was a great piece of skill. Turner also made more impact than he has done in other games. It was only two excellent saves from their goalkeeper that preserved the victory for Arbroath, 

Mark Wilson and Alex Rae have been spot on with their tactics, including changes within games, so often this season that I am not going to say that they got it wrong this time. However, the performance of Chalmers, and also Fitzpatrick's record of scoring goals at Gayfield (I can remember 3 at least), does cause some regret that they were not on the pitch for longer.

Arbroath won the game in the first 15 minutes of the second half when they played the wind perfectly, constantly forcing us to play out with bye kicks, while we failed to adapt. 

The Arbroath winger Taylor Steven was very effective with his running and crossing (not so much his shooting) and perhaps would be someone to look at if either Chalmers or Fitzpatrick moves on.

Wind football as played today is an entirely different sport at which Arbroath are proven masters. Accordingly while disappointed at certain aspects of today's performance I am not too downcast overall, and am confident that we will be back on the front foot when we return to normal football. The spirit and belated skill shown in the last 20 minutes gives some cause for hope. The team ended reasonably positively rather than being resigned to its fate.

[jagfox]

We actually started the game quite brightly and we were the better team in the first-half in my opinion, as said though I had to have a shufty at the match highlights to corroborate this as all the action was up that the home end due to the wind. 
We should really have had a penalty at the start of the match. A reckless challenge arguably similar to the later sending off. Mark Wilson asked the stand side assistant why it wasn't given and was told that it was because Ben bounced right back up from the challenge. Laughable, as he was clearly on the deck holding his shin for a minute after he was felled. We then had a couple of decent efforts getting deflected wide or saved by the Arbroath keeper.
Second-half they scored after getting good field position from a goal kick that was held up by the wind. They took the goal well as they did with the second. This is really the only bit of that MArk and Alex can analyse fro that game as overall the conditions were farcical.
We plugged away and apart from the goals ( I know, I know) Arbroath didn't do much else barring a few wild wind assisted blooters out the park. We could have snuck something at the end and their keeper made another couple of classy saves. 
Again, I am confident we can bounce-back from this defeat as taking everything I can into account we played okay overall.
The manager selecting a line-up to counter an opposition and the expected conditions isn't a bad thing and Chalmers especially did well when he came on. Obviously fair to ask what if he had started but wasn't as wild a decision as I thought when I saw the team line-up.

[partickthedog]

Not wanting to give our players any excuses for perhaps not taking full advantage of having the wind at their backs (although I think more accurately the wind was blowing more diagonally from corner flag to corner flag-ie from the seaward corner flag at the end where the Jags fans were located to the landward corner flag at the end for the Arbroath fans) in the first half, and I do not have any anemometer records to back this up, but anecdotally at the time, it did seem that the wind speed increased over half-time and reached its zenith in the first quarter of the second half when Arbroath effectively blew the game away from us.