Yellow & Redneck Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 (edited) As a lot of people have said, the real worry is the lack of depth below the settled starting XI. Despite injuries to MacKay, Martin, and Crawford, we have been pretty lucky this season (i.e., our backline, wingers, and forwards have barely changed). Only when you see some of the guys last night do you realise that we would be pretty snookered if we have a string of injuries in key positions. Cammy Logan is pretty hopeless. Someone who totally flattered to deceive with his goals in the cup. He joined through the SPFL Open Trials - and even the Forfar fans were very, very surprised with his move. He clearly isn't a good enough defender. Fudinauckas is a really annoying one. A totally lazy signing by Wilson. He was dropped for David Mitchell at the end of last season because MW and BG didn't trust him - and then somehow was expected to be a promotion winning keeper this season!? The first goal was his fault. Craig Hinchcliffe levels of "sack of tatties" when he went down. The third goes into that "corridor of uncertainty," but was still in the 6-yard box which he needs to command. His performance last night was second only to his display against Celtic at Firhill. O'Reilly and Ashcroft have had a free ride in the fast lane for too long with a lack of competition. Hopefully Cale can challenge O'R at least. He looked okay last night, but there was once or twice under the highball he almost let an ICT player charge past him. Finally, the less said about Turner the better. He should be ashamed of that performance. Not only the penalties, but also the glaring misses. He missed an identical one against Morton. He must have a foot like a 50p piece. Hopefully gives something for Wilson to chew on. He was quite honest with his post-match assessment. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the league is gone. Having waited 55 years for a domestic cup trophy, I am actually quite annoyed that neither MW or AR took that game seriously last night (despite what he said). The prize money is modest - but with the state of our club at the moment, every penny is a prisoner. Shame we have yet again pissed it against the wall. Edited January 14 by Yellow & Redneck 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 I wasn't at the game but listened to 2nd half on jagzone. I was surprised when we brought on T for Martin as we sacrificed all physicality in our midfield. Was Scott injured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert's Ghost Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 To be fair to Wilson, he had to juggle team selection v resting players. Not helped by Turner having a stinker, and some slack defending by inexperienced players. Needs to win on Saturday, needs a full-strength side! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Disappointed that Wilson & Rae fielded such an inexperienced line-up. Smacks of complacency 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 32 minutes ago, Jimbo said: I wasn't at the game but listened to 2nd half on jagzone. I was surprised when we brought on T for Martin as we sacrificed all physicality in our midfield. Was Scott injured? I'd have thought Martin would've be captain ahead of McBeth. Maybe given the intensity of his recent injury Wilson had no intention of risking Scott over 90 minutes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 3 hours ago, eljaggo said: Who or what is behind this agonisingly slow build-up tactic? It spans managers and players, so why does it persist? If it continues it will seriously damage our promotion prospects, both in terms of results and in the longer term the level of support. At the start of the season, I am sure we were moving the ball a lot more quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, sandy said: Disappointed that Wilson & Rae fielded such an inexperienced line-up. Smacks of complacency Given the comments pre game about a bug going around, some of the inexperience might have been forced, but I did think that there were too many changes in the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenski Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Stanway has come on leaps and bounds this season with some suggestion that Rae has been a positive influence during training. I hope we see similar with Turner at some point - we know there's a decent player there, but he's been struggling for consistent form for a while now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Turner "peaked" a couple of years ago. He doesn't look like he's going to improve any more, he's bang average at all aspects of game. Lower league journeyman. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenski Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 But I don't understand why his form is not where it was a couple of years ago. He's 28 - age, while not on his side necessarily, is not against him. He should be able to contribute more than he is currently. Surely too early to write him off as lower league journeyman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 (edited) Turner should not have been taking a penalty in the shoot-out after his missed one and missing an open goal. During his run-up he looked uncertain and planted a foot before kicking the ball. Maybe he was named to try to restore his confidence but it's more likely to have the opposite effect. Edited January 14 by scotty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Gekantawa Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 58 minutes ago, Jaggernaut said: Turner "peaked" a couple of years ago. He doesn't look like he's going to improve any more, he's bang average at all aspects of game. Lower league journeyman. While I never really rated him for much of the time he's been here, the one thing he was rightly lauded for was putting in a great set piece ball (free kicks and corners). This seems to have completely disappeared. He rarely takes corners now, and his free kick in the final minute with everyone up just about summed up his entire performance yesterday. I really think we can do better, to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 56 minutes ago, scotty said: Turner should not have been taking a penalty in the shoot-out after his missed one and missing an open goal. During his run-up he looked uncertain and planted a foot before kicking the ball. Maybe he was named to try to restore his confidence but it's more likely to have the opposite effect. Exactly. The stumble before the final shot so often means f*cked up attempts at our level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert's Ghost Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Jaggernaut said: Turner "peaked" a couple of years ago. He doesn't look like he's going to improve any more, he's bang average at all aspects of game. Lower league journeyman. Have to agree. Apart from his 'cameo' against Morton (including a missed penalty) he's been utterly gash recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Gekantawa Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 8 minutes ago, Albert's Ghost said: Have to agree. Apart from his 'cameo' against Morton (including a missed penalty) he's been utterly gash recently. For all his faults, he didn't miss the pen v Morton- that was Chalmers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert's Ghost Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 43 minutes ago, Duke Gekantawa said: For all his faults, he didn't miss the pen v Morton- that was Chalmers Oops - sorry everyone. Sorry Kyle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 I hope everyone in our squad including goalies are practising penalties everyday up to Saturday. Also hope that in today's data driven world we have all the info on their penalty takers. After saying all that if we field the strongest starting XI and can't beat them in the 90 minutes plus injury time, we really are on a bad run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 16 hours ago, Auld Jag said: I hope everyone in our squad including goalies are practising penalties everyday up to Saturday. Also hope that in today's data driven world we have all the info on their penalty takers. Agree but given our recent history with penalties you'd like to think that should be something we've been doing. Penalty taking confuses me. Messi has failed to score over 30 in his career and plenty other great players have missed a surprising amount of times. It's not that uncommon for a striker to not even be selected for a shootout. Occasionally a team is blessed with a natural penalty taker but that's not too common an occurrence. Can only think like AJ that rote practice is all we can do to improve. But for all we know we may have already been doing just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 I wonder if any of our "regular" penalty takers over the years had a 100% record. I think Jered Stirling had a particularly good record, but maybe even he missed one or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert's Ghost Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 9 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: But for all we know we may have already been doing just that. Doesn't look like it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert's Ghost Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Just now, Jaggernaut said: I wonder if any of our "regular" penalty takers over the years had a 100% record. I think Jered Stirling had a particularly good record, but maybe even he missed one or two. Aaron Muirhead was surprisingly good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, Jaggernaut said: I wonder if any of our "regular" penalty takers over the years had a 100% record. I think Jered Stirling had a particularly good record, but maybe even he missed one or two. A quick check of the Thistle Archive indicates that Jered Stirling had a perfect record, scoring all 13 penalties. He was not always in the starting XI and therefore we missed a few penalties when he was with us, but he was not the culprit! My recollection is that he earned a big (though temporary) move to Motherwell, and then missed his first penalty for them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, Albert's Ghost said: Aaron Muirhead was surprisingly good Apart from in the Ramsdens Cup final 🙄 and of course we then lost him for the shoot out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 18 hours ago, Auld Jag said: I hope everyone in our squad including goalies are practising penalties everyday up to Saturday. I hope everyone is practicing to ensure the game doesn’t go to penalties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 4 hours ago, Jaggernaut said: I wonder if any of our "regular" penalty takers over the years had a 100% record. I think Jered Stirling had a particularly good record, but maybe even he missed one or two. Off on a tangent but there must be a few Jags who never were regular penalty takers but scored and never missed in shootouts. Ross Docherty, Archie or Rowson maybe? Paul Ritchie methinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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