JAG1970 Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 6 minutes ago, Winter of '63 said: We now have a squad limited in numbers and I would hope we get more from Fitzpatrick, Lets'osa & Turner who are talented footballers. However I can see no merit in Crawford - not a ball-winner or goal threat, can't pass and never looks for the ball. Letting Martin go on loan looks like an error. Wilson’s hand was forced by the board to help us break even this season, and he had to pick someone to release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 18 minutes ago, allyo said: Eyes can't be everywhere. You either see it or you don't. Have to accept these things, as the alternative is the nightmare of VAR. Whilst I agree that officials can't see everything I am not sure that this is one of those occasions for the assistant but will need to check better highlights to check this. Part of the VAR problem is when refs get used to it they have difficulty in games when it is not there to lean on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kenny Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 Saw the Baird elbow clearly at the time and it looked intended, video backs it up. Lucky boy. Can’t fault the players effort but I felt we gave them far too much respect by starting with the back 3. Throw in Stanway sitting deep and we could barely get out, resorting to shelling long balls to nobody. It was only when we started to play down the wings did we get back in the game. Despite what their fans will tell you, they are no great shakes. If we’d gone a bit more attack minded tonight I think it was there for the taking. was impressed my the defence, Loughrey looks a good player. Midfield were poor, Stanway was off his usual standard and Crawford has just gone back to his prior form from his first couple of years here. Lets’osa has been poor since his injury. Ingram looks a player, might deserve a start next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 2 hours ago, Jagtastic said: I think the main positive I took away from that was Wilson obviously recognised we were nowhere to be seen after half time and changed the shape which seemed to unsettle STJs rhythm and allowed us back into it. They aren’t particularly great and will drop more points before the end of the season. Unfortunately so will we. Didn’t think taking off Luke Mcbeth was the right decision when changing to a back 4 , would have played Mcbeth as the holding midfielder and taken off T or Crawford and possibly pushed Stanway further forward . McBeths physicality in the middle of the park would have helped us 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagtastic Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 12 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: Didn’t think taking off Luke Mcbeth was the right decision when changing to a back 4 , would have played Mcbeth as the holding midfielder and taken off T or Crawford and possibly pushed Stanway further forward . McBeths physicality in the middle of the park would have helped us Well it worked. We were camped in our own half trying to play out to no one, with no shape in midfield whatsoever. After the changes we started pressing again and holding the ball higher up the pitch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 (edited) 2 hours ago, thornwoodjag said: https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1bDFuCvD9D/?mibextid=wwXIfr Definite red. The guy should be punished retrospectively. Edited March 21 by Jaggernaut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 It's a big if, but IF we can get a win in Kirkcaldy on Tuesday, that will be a massive boost for the remaining games. Unfortunately, though, we are clearly weakened by the absence of four important players, and.... well.... it's Kirkcaldy, an unhappy hunting ground for us. I'd like to see Samuel and Diack starting up front together, and maybe Turner to start instead of Letsosa, who can come on as a sub if necessary. No need to change the defence, which did their job well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 6 hours ago, Fawlty Towers said: Whilst I agree that officials can't see everything I am not sure that this is one of those occasions for the assistant but will need to check better highlights to check this. Part of the VAR problem is when refs get used to it they have difficulty in games when it is not there to lean on. This was highlighted by Michael Stewart when he pointed out an offside decision against St. Johnstone. The linesman was very late in flagging (correctly) and the pundit's take on it was that officials are so used to having VAR make the decisions they delay all the time. We really do need to get rid of it and have officials take responsibility. OK they will make mistakes but those can be addressed by training whereas now they are getting lazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 7 hours ago, Fawlty Towers said: Yes, little look before he swings the elbow. Should not need VAR for that as the assistant should be able to see it even if ref does not. Didn’t see it at the game and I don’t think there was much reaction to the incident in the Jackie Husband either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 (edited) I enjoyed the effort, the weather, atmosphere (Thistle & St J fans were very good) and the hope it gives me. Although expected crowd to be bigger. Edited March 21 by Lambies Lost Doo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 (edited) 12 hours ago, Fawlty Towers said: Whilst I agree that officials can't see everything I am not sure that this is one of those occasions for the assistant but will need to check better highlights to check this. Part of the VAR problem is when refs get used to it they have difficulty in games when it is not there to lean on. Agree re VAR. In the FA cup game between Aston Villa and Newcastle there was no VAR and the officials looked as if they had lost their comfort blanket when they had to make key decisions and they got most of them wrong. Edited March 21 by Auld Jag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 The first 20 minutes St.Johnstone dominated possession, we then got more into the game and the rest of the first half was more even without any team creating any big chances. St.Johnstone again dominated possession in the second half until we made the changes, again we got more into it and created a few chances without testing their keeper. Everything taken into consideration it was a good point, but why did we take a short corner when we were into the last minute or so of injury time instead of getting the ball into their box. Imo it's all about getting second secured now and if we manage that and St.Johnstone drops points along the way we are still in with a chance of winning the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Auld Jag said: Agree re VAR. In the FA cup game between Aston Villa and Newcastle there was no VAR and the officials looked as if they had lost their comfort blanket when they had to make key decisions and a they got most of them wrong. Also in this country we don't have a huge pool of great refs and for a Premiership match there is the ref, the 4th official and the VAR official (have seen assistant VAR official listed as well) so the consequence is that refs that are not ready for games in the championship are having to step up. Edited March 21 by Fawlty Towers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 I was really surprised that St Johnstone did not make more and better use of their bench. Their only change was to replace Jamie Gullan, who had been their best player, with Josh Fowler, who made little impact. They left on the bench Agyeman and Mallon who are top class attacking players who have caused us plenty of problems in the past, as well as Steven, who gave us difficulty earlier this season when on loan to Arbroath. Any 2 of these 3 coming on full of running against our tiring defence would have been a considerable challenge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 Agree with that PTD. Not sure when Wilson's contract expires, but he is the best manager in the division, and we need to do everything we can to retain him. I'm sure there will be a lot of interest at the end of this season, especially if we fail to to be promoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 (edited) 42 minutes ago, eljaggo said: Agree with that PTD. Not sure when Wilson's contract expires, but he is the best manager in the division, and we need to do everything we can to retain him. I'm sure there will be a lot of interest at the end of this season, especially if we fail to to be promoted. I have been very impressed with how Wilson goes about things. I think he is definitely a Head Coach rather than a manager in the traditional sense and if he was going to another club it would need to be one using that model (hopefully he is here for several more seasons though). Edited March 21 by Fawlty Towers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 Picking up on the above two posts, the BBC website indicates (for what it is worth) that St Mirren might be considering Neil Lennon for their vacant manager position. When the BBC commentary team were not bigging up St Johnstone last night, they were giving Dunfermline the same treatment. I accept that they are having an excellent Scottish Cup run, and their league form has improved of late, but up until then it was ordinary at best and they are still 14 points behind Thistle, with just the one game in hand to play today. Long may Mark Wilson continue to operate below the radar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG1970 Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 Wilson gets more out of our squad than Valakari gets out of his more expensive and bigger squad. We have the best manager in the championship IMO, hopefully we can give him sufficient funds going forward to maximise our potential under his leadership. I’d also put the Arbroath management team above Valakari, but it’s St J who are in the driving seat and they won’t care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 Could have done without Arbroath winning today as narrows gap to 6 points and also Raith having a confidence boosting win ahead of Tuesday night. On plus side Ross C have their left back sent off so presume suspended for Friday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, elevenone said: Could have done without Arbroath winning today as narrows gap to 6 points and also Raith having a confidence boosting win ahead of Tuesday night. On plus side Ross C have their left back sent off so presume suspended for Friday night. Do suspensions not take effect after 7 days ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 2 hours ago, Lenziejag said: Do suspensions not take effect after 7 days ? I think it is next game in the same competition the red card was received in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 4 hours ago, elevenone said: Could have done without Arbroath winning today as narrows gap to 6 points and also Raith having a confidence boosting win ahead of Tuesday night. On plus side Ross C have their left back sent off so presume suspended for Friday night. We have now all but mathematically guaranteed a top 4 place, which most of us would have settled for at the start of the season. We have been second for so long now it would be disappointing if we did drop a place or two, but we are now down to the bones squad wise and most of us has supported Thistle long enough to know we never do things the easy way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 It would take a calamitous collapse to see us drop to 4th. While with our limited squad depth we might struggle to accrue the barrowload of points required to overtake St Johnstone, I do not see us collapsing to that extent. The main question is probably whether we stay in front of Arbroath, and with 6 points ahead and a game in hand I am confident that we can do so. While there is a long way to go, and no assumptions to be made, it looks likely that if we are to secure promotion it will eventually mean having to beat the team finishing 11th in the Premiership. The identity of that team is becoming hard to predict. Until recently it looked like being St Mirren or Kilmarnock. However, they are both now on the rise, and the three above them Aberdeen and the 2 Dundee teams are all also potentially vulnerable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 6 hours ago, Lenziejag said: Do suspensions not take effect after 7 days ? not sure tbh, like @Auld Jag said I just presumed next match in same comp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 3 hours ago, partickthedog said: It would take a calamitous collapse to see us drop to 4th. While with our limited squad depth we might struggle to accrue the barrowload of points required to overtake St Johnstone, I do not see us collapsing to that extent. The main question is probably whether we stay in front of Arbroath, and with 6 points ahead and a game in hand I am confident that we can do so. While there is a long way to go, and no assumptions to be made, it looks likely that if we are to secure promotion it will eventually mean having to beat the team finishing 11th in the Premiership. The identity of that team is becoming hard to predict. Until recently it looked like being St Mirren or Kilmarnock. However, they are both now on the rise, and the three above them Aberdeen and the 2 Dundee teams are all also potentially vulnerable. Dundee Utd in the play off final you say…😗 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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