lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Fraser's strike was exceptional Most certainly was. What's more it left Pat Nevin & Co speechless. In fact they were so speechless they didn't even mention it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Incognito Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Most certainly was. What's more it left Pat Nevin & Co speechless. In fact they were so speechless they didn't even mention it. Aye, fair point. You would think that a strike as fine as that would merit some comment but apparently not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jags on tour Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 funny seeing Mcpake screaming in Seaborne's face after winning the penalty, I'm glad he didn't react as the ref would have gave him a straight red.good example as captain Mcpake just like you were at Hibs ya dickwrinkle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Well after watching Sportscene, definite sending off in my opinion and someone please tell me that you wouldn't be shouting for it at the other end. I like Fox but that was utter stupidity and it will probably cost him his long term place in the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Gums Murphy Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Well after watching Sportscene, definite sending off in my opinion and someone please tell me that you wouldn't be shouting for it at the other end. I like Fox but that was utter stupidity and it will probably cost him his long term place in the team Agree re Fox & would be shouting for the penalty at the other end but... It's the kind of challenge that goes unpunished 99% of the time. A bit like the shirt tugging & blocking in the box. McPake decided to dive like Tom Daley after feeling contact but here's the thing. I bet you next week the exact same thing will happen in the box with a different ref & nothing will be given,. In fact, I'm sure similar incidents went on in the Dundee box with blocking, pushing & shirt pulling during free kicks & corners into the box but nothing given. I'm also willing to wager that Charleston will see an incident like that in next game he refs but doesn't give the penalty. That's what frustrates fans. No consistency from refs,. Give the penalty every time or not all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 My point was strictly the sending off, not the penalty. The penalty was soft in the extreme though big Danny seemed to accept the fact it had been awarded. Fair play to the big man, if Aero had been playing and McPake had done what he did to him, we could have been down to 9 men. I hate when players do that to other players. Totally uncalled for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liamconnollyglasgow Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 I'm glad fox got sent off don't think he woulda saved the pen lol ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandbank boy Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Just watched SPFL highlights on youtube. McPake is in the air before Seaborne gets close. As for Fox, he throws his arm out, I don't think it was deliberate. Agreed. No way is that violent conduct. Refs should just let situations calm down, hardly a mass brawl was it? This stupid rule about about raising your hands has gone too far. What about pointing your finger close to the opposition? That raising you hand but you're not sent off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie Of The Month Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Agreed. No way is that violent conduct. Refs should just let situations calm down, hardly a mass brawl was it? This stupid rule about about raising your hands has gone too far. What about pointing your finger close to the opposition? That raising you hand but you're not sent off. The rule hasn't gone too far and hasn't changed for some time, it's pundits and commentators not knowing the rules. It is only violent conduct if the player uses "excessive force or brutality" yet people who should know better seem to think if you raise your hands at all then it's a red for violent conduct. A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball. He is also guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against a team-mate, spectator, match official or any other person. Violent conduct may occur either on the field of play or outside its boundaries, whether the ball is in play or not. Advantage should not be applied in situations involving violent conduct unless there is a clear subsequent opportunity to score a goal. The referee must send off the player guilty of violent conduct when the ball is next out of play. Referees are reminded that violent conduct often leads to mass confrontation, therefore they must try to avert this with active intervention. A player, substitute or substituted player who is guilty of violent conduct must be sent off Based on the laws of the game I think an appeal would be successful. The club may not think it's worthwhile though as Gallacher is an able replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Passenger Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 It's hard to give a definite opinion on the penalty due to the camera angles, but I did remark prior to it on Saturday that Seaborne rarely challenges for a header without using his hands in some way. They're either on the back or the shoulders of the opposing player. I think we all expect to see a little shove now and again, but not to the extent that he relies on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Really doesn't matter what anyone of us thinks. Ref gave a penalty and sent a Fox off. His decision is all that matters at the end of the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool Jags Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Although I've seen a marked improvement in Fox these last few weeks (limited viewing tbh), I feel that PG is the better all-round keeper. That said, Archie made a bit of a statement by re-instating Scott and, given that his suspension is unlikely to be a particularly long one (?), I would expect to see him back in when his ban's over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre Pundit Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Really doesn't matter what anyone of us thinks. Ref gave a penalty and sent a Fox off. His decision is all that matters at the end of the day Good point Lindau - may as well shut the forum down now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Good point Lindau - may as well shut the forum down now... Indeed MP.....though my point was it's been discussed to death now and none of us are gonna change the decision. Time to move on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre Pundit Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Fair enough, but I don't think it's unreasonable to still be discussing Saturday's contentious issue on Monday morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Really doesn't matter what anyone of us thinks. Ref gave a penalty and sent a Fox off. His decision is all that matters at the end of the day That's true I suppose but it was just as true 40 plus hours ago. I think if it had been an outfield player with, like Fox, no real previous we'd be less circumspect. If it was Lawless or Doolan we'd be more likely to be wanting an appeal to at least get the "violent conduct" reconsidered. Because it's Fox and we've a ready made replacement that many wanted to see as first choice he's getting the just a silly lad, should know better treatment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAWB Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 (edited) See the Fox sending off below, make your own call but right in front of the ref what did he expect? Edited August 18, 2014 by KAWB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
read'n'yell Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 See the Fox sending off below, make your own call but right in front of the ref what did he expect? Definite red card. Right infront of the ref. Can't complain at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulful_jag Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Looked a soft penalty but you can see Seabourne has his arm around McPake at one point. McPake does dive to the ground to make the most of it, that along with his reaction towards Seabourne after the penalty is awarded means he should have been booked IMHO. You see tons of them not given, but like this one, you do see the odd one resulting in a penalty. As for Fox. He shoves his hand out quite forcibly, it's not like it was just making a gesture, he was probably meaning to give the Dundee player a wee shove and didn't notice he was so small so smacked him in the face. Probably merited a yellow more than a red card. Both pretty stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Exile Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Apologies if this has been mentioned previously in this thread and I missed it but I'm sure I heard on the BBC on Saturday that it now costs £1000 to appeal a decision. Personally I thought Foxy was slightly unlucky and his arm was deflected up into the Dundee players face when he was actually trying to push the guy by the shoulder, but if he hadn't raised his hand in the first place none of this would matter. Still not worth a grand to find out what the appeals committee think though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 McPake says in The Sun today that he was surprised when the penalty was awarded and also when Fox was sent off, even though he didn't see the incident himself. Work that one out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhs Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 McPake says in The Sun today that he was surprised when the penalty was awarded and also when Fox was sent off, even though he didn't see the incident himself. Work that one out! Hmmm... maybe he has a version of Tourettes... that could explain why he jumped up, screamed at and taunted Seaborne when the penalty was awarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandyjag Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 The best view of the penalty claim is the second camera angle (looking down the centre of the pitch). It looks like McPake just jumps in the air and falls over - there doesn't seem to be any foul committed at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armand2 Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Happy enough with a point but slightly disappointed not to make the most of some decent chances in the first half. Really poor miss from Bannigan, looks as if he's shut his eyes and hoped for the best. Having watched the highlights last night, I don't think we would have conceded the goal that we did had McMillan been on the pitch. In those situations, you want your full-backs to tuck in and Keenan didn't do that - he's standing beyond the edge of the box which allows the gap to develop for Wighton. Poor defending and an entirely avoidable goal which is disappointing. No real complaints about the sending off - it's obviously very soft but Fox has been extremely silly to even give the referee a decision to make. Gallacher now in possession of the jersey and Fox really only has himself to blame. If penalties are to be given for those sort of incidents, there would be ten every week. Not a penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandbank boy Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 The rule hasn't gone too far and hasn't changed for some time, it's pundits and commentators not knowing the rules. It is only violent conduct if the player uses "excessive force or brutality" yet people who should know better seem to think if you raise your hands at all then it's a red for violent conduct. Based on the laws of the game I think an appeal would be successful. The club may not think it's worthwhile though as Gallacher is an able replacement. Exactly, ' excessive force or brutality' was not used by Fox, so why red? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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