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8 minutes ago, Third Lanark said:
I think Kenny Arthur gets off very lightly here.presumably he is responsible for training the keepers and has an input into who should be playing
Arthur has been here the same amount of time as Sneddon and for Jamie appears to have regressed a number of times as has Mitchell
We were speaking about this yesterday funnily enough. Sneddon broke the club clean sheet record last season & had a number of saves that ultimately got us the points required to scrape into play offs. Think the fact he’s been dropped & playing behind a clown keeper has probably shot his confidence- along with the fact he’s more than aware manager doesn’t rate him.
Take your point re Arthur tho. Another who needs cleared out. Been there too long & if he’s telling McCall that Mitchell a better keeper then Sneddon when watching them train & play then he’s every bit as culpable.
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4 minutes ago, jlsarmy said:
Last year , Jamie Sneddon improved as a keeper resulting in 7 or 8 clean sheets in a row and you could see his confidence growing.
Sneddon is young for a keeper and will keep improving, McCall has shot his confidence totally by dropping him all the time.
At his age , Mitchell won’t get better , what you see is what you get .
Which makes the continual picking of him as first choice all the more bizarre.
Think we all know McCall not a fan of Sneddon as started with the Hearts boy Stone last season before he was injured.
Sneddon (& defence in general) confidence is shot & the last line of defence is a big factor in that.
He can put his hand up & apologise all he wants but it is happening every other week.
Next week’s GK selection will tell us a lot.
Funny smell at Firhill these days & not the canal.
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27 minutes ago, javeajag said:
If you look at the last 6 league games we are bottom of the league with just 3 points. That in itself is concerning but is compounded by the fact that we have conceded most goals and have the worst goal difference as well.
clearly a number of things obviously emerge from this……
1. the problems are clearly in defense and more specifically the central defenders where preventing goals from set pieces has been an issue for quite a while.
2. we need a decent keeper who can come from cross balls and inspire some confidence in the defense
3. The squad isnt good enough…..we have 19 outfield players but given a free choice mccall won’t start with : Weston, Akinoka, Smith, Mullen or Fitzpatrick so that leaves just 14 players and we currently have 4 injuries for players who would start ….so the starting 11 almost pick themselves
4. it’s not clear that McCall knows what to do and with each defeat he seems more baffled which us not a good sign
5. we can’t go in like this and like every other club in the same situation has to make a call before the January transfer window
6, in my view we are usually loyal to mangers longer than we should be…..Archie should have gone after the 4-0 defeat away to Ross county and well Caldwell
7. if we lose the next two league games that would 7 defeats in a row …..that’s hard to turn round
Spot on. Nothing there to disagree with.
Numbers 1 & 2 are sort of the same thing & nothing has changed since the start of the season where it looked like the defence didn’t have a lot of confidence in Mitchell when he was conceding crazy goals even when we were winning games.
So here’s the thing for me…
Mitchell, ex Stranraer & season with Clyde is near enough his sum total of experience in the SPFL got the gig obviously being an ArkSports client. What’s going on behind the scenes that McCall continually picking him?
Something doesn’t sit right there especially when Sneddon was arguably our best player last season:.
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It’s been a while…
So first up let me say when it was first mooted I was non plussed about the idea of fan ownership. However recent events with Ms Low & her band of merry men made me think twice & have latterly joined the TJF when PTFC Trust found their lost password for their social media accounts.
It seems Ms Low is up to her neck in it. The 2 useful idiots from PTFC Trust along with their ArkSport ‘friend’ are the only ones the 3BC & PTFC board (hello again Ms Low) will do business with.
A few weeks back the PTFC Trust useful idiots had family & friends out saying exactly that & were concerned that fan ownership would fall through if they didn’t step in. However the addendum to that was that if it was going to cause a split in the fan base & be more hassle than what it’s worth then they would walk away from it all.
If yesterday’s rumours are to be confirmed- & I have it on good authority it will be- it seems our useful idiots along with yesterday’s sponsors (Ark Sports) are soon to be majority shareholders in a football club they have little or no say in running.
Why?
They won’t answer emails. They won’t confirm who is funding them. They can’t get their story straight about who approached who with what & when but turns out they might have changed their mind about having a say in the boardroom.
Having exhausted my efforts trying to find out what say they will have it seems that their main say will be whether Ms Low & her merry men will bourbon or custard cream biscuits whilst shafting the fans (again).
McParland Park a distant memory eh?
That said now that the PTFC BoD or is that the 3BC own all of the stadium then the club’s future at Firhill is secure for the long term….Rough not a Tbistle man. Ex player perhaps but that’s as far as his loyalties run. GB an employee. Then we have Duncan who recently flogged the Glasgow Rocks- possibly to spend more time in Cyprus with Neil when he’s not wining & dining in his box at Parkhead. & then there’s Ms Low… What’s in it for her? Why not relinquish control? Enjoy the views of the Queensferry crossing.
Something stinks but the useful idiots are not for backing down. They’ve doubled down.
Buckle up. If you haven’t joined TJF & want proper fan ownership then I would implore you to.
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I'll keep this short & sweet....
Haven't been on here for a good while, long before our recent brilliant run. The few folk that I've been talking with off the main forum know/knew that- as such apologies BowenBoys re your messages with Dumbaya prediction league.
Anyway, on way down from Aberdeen last night it was pointed out that a certain poster on here had been commenting his usual drivel without naming names lets just say I was 'Looking for Linda' up there last night but surprisingly with someone who likes to take digs at others he wasn't there... (Or should that be unsurprisingly).
I won't break my self imposed absence again. I'd just like to say thank you to admin & hope their forum can continue in some way or form for proper jags fans to have sensible & reasoned discussion (or argument even).
Delighted to have been proved wrong over past couple of months & long may it continue.
I'll see many of you on here that know me at Parkhead at the weekend & I'll continue 'Looking for Linda'.
Happy Jaggy New Year.
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I'm out.
I'm sure someone (who's got too much time on their hands) will m'lady. That's why I put the offer out there.
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This is ridiculous.
What has Craigan done in the game as a manager? Nothing. What has McGhee done? Failed at several clubs. Canning? Took over a high-flying team and dragged them into a relegation fight. Hartley is currently managing a bigger club than Thistle (sorry) and would have zero desire to join us, even if we could afford him, which we can't. He's done nothing exceptional as a manager either, unless you consider winning the Championship exceptional. Which is exactly what Archie did for us.
Archie has kept us in the top division under dwindling crowds while losing his best players and managing one of the smallest budgets in the league.
You don't have a clue, mate.
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1) What are your expectations as a fan of Partick Thistle? 2) What would you consider to be an acceptable position in the league for us to finish? 3) If we achieved that position, would the same position be acceptable the following season? 4) Where do you think is the cut-off point for a Jags manager is, ie. what game/decision/moment made you believe that Archie is not good enough to be our manager?
I honestly think thiese questions have been answered by me alone on numerous occasions. To be truthful I can't really be @rsed looking for them again but if someone wants to troll my posts & bring them up then be my guest!
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Never ceases to amaze me, the same people on here always taking more joy in berating fellow fans instead of celebrating a great win !
& always the same folk pinhead.
One above for a start.
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It's awkward. It must be. Go on. You go first.
He's here. It's the better fan than all of you....
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Aw Barney , come on. Your getting a wee bit steamed up tonight pet. We won. Relax. Archie has got it under control. Great performance today.
Archie has got it under control- that is until when again? Oh yeah, according to you it's until he gets us relegated.
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Still want him sacked though, right?
One swallow & all that.
You know what... I am delighted we got the win today. Was a bit harem scarem first half with woodwork/keepers it could've been different game for either side.
We prevailed though & hopefully it will be the start of something.
St Johnstone away & the second quarter will tell us more.
It'll be a better international break than it could've been tho.
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They might have sacked their manager and changed their destiny. However, making 5 additions to the squad before the transfer deadline didn't cut it for the new boss. It was only after the addition of a futher 6 players to the squad in january, all of whom made a contribution to the first team over the remainder of the year.
So the new manager came in bottom of the league (sounds familiar) discovered that week in week out with the same results & performances over the first 2/3 months weren't good enough to keep them up. (sound familiar except no manager change).
He brings in players in bargain basement that are still without clubs in late Sept/Oct to try freshen it up but soon discovers there is a reason they were without clubs. (sound familiar at all with us? Although jury out on whether our 3 signings after the window by our manager who hasn't been sacked will be good enough).
Come January, Uncle Roy gives him a few quid to bring in players short term to try save their skin (our BoD have to an extent done that previously with players that our manager who hasn't been sacked has been able to bring in as the players he brought in first time weren't good enough.)
We don't have an Uncle Roy but Alan Archibald > Jim McIntyre/Sturat McCall/Mark McGhee etc so he won't be needed anyway.
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Why do you come to this opinion?
Archie has sourced some pretty decent players for us and some of those that have been seen as failures, have been let go because of the standard of the top flight and the pressure for imediate performance.
Remember the united game at firhill last season when our squad was absolutely decimated by illness and injury?
Archie has kept us up on peanuts. He brought us up with an inherited team, that still had competition for promotion. If he has overspent his budget, i'd suggest that it's probably happened compensating for trying to keep within it. I mean, January window bolstering of the squad, make no mistake, compared to others (ross county) Archie's scrambling for mid season hero's has been very much done in the bargain bin and he's had to get them right. I think the most archies been able to sign after xmas is 4? And nearly always loanees. .... Barraclough signed 7 for motherwell in January!
.... The thistle job is a very tricky one.
I've never said that he's not sourced decent players. I seem to remember a thread last year discussing his transfer dealings & whether they were hit or miss.
Again, that is all open to interpretation & folks opinions. Even the overspend in transfer budget is alleged as such until the club tell us officially or it is seen in accounts.
What we can deal is with facts in terms of players we've released months after signing them.
Your argurment of standard of top flight. Again only an opinion but most people agree, that we've been in the poorest top flight division for many years.
No Rangers, no Hibs, no Hearts who all would be considered mainstays of the league. Why was that? Financial mismanagement for 2 of them but for Hibs it could be argued that it was down to managerial appointments & standard of players brought in.
Look at them now. No guarantee of coming back up this season either.
Now that could be used as an argurment to keep Archibald but then if you're talking about dismantling what's left of the previous 2 managers teams & a youth policy going along with the manager taking us down with poor results then it's a big chance.
Collins, Britton/Whyte & Campbell are no arguement to keep him anymore than an arguement not to. Do I trust the BoD to make the correct appointment if they do decide to get rid? Probably not but then as it stands just now I think the manager has run out of ideas.
Btw, I don't think they will sack him.
The DU game? A one off. It was like a cup game. You could argue the manager should be treating Celtic games like this instead of playing a back 10.
Having to get it right in Jan? Well at risk of contradicting myself here, in first season Taylor had an immediate impact but Mair was biggest signing for me there. That was probably equivalent of pound stretchers after getting it wrong with 99p store Baird, Piccolo, Mukendi.
Same could be said last season in Jan but irony was (& here comes my contradiction) it wasn't until he turned back to players that were already there that performances picked up- Doolan, Balatoni, Craigen.
This year however it doesn't look as though we can wait til Jan as the 50p store signings not doing it & not sure what will be left in 99p store that we haven't looked at & rejected before.
The Thistle job is indeed tricky but then name me a football team whose job isn't?
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I don't understand how Archie can overspend the budget, it must be getting approval from above him.
That's obviously not his fault if the BoD give him more cash but I was using that as an example that he has been backed by BoD.
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Can the new DU manager call an end to his loan spell or will he remain at Firhill until January?
I think he can recall him but he'd be unable to play until Jan. (I think).
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Again, can't argue with a lot you've said BGM.
I don't know the injury Amoo picked up, so no idea of time scales in getting back to full fitness.
I think regards budgets, it doesn't matter who we bring in, its the final pot and the spend that matters.
I think by stating players names as evidence of support from the board is a red herring, so to speak. The Board gave him £X, he could have asked Maxi to sign 20 players at £5 a week or 4 players on £25 a week. Who we signed was immaterial, as long as all those signings didn't go over his budget, it's Maxi's job to make sure Archie doesn't go over budget, i'd imagine.
Was "more" money made available? Over and above the agreed budget from any July? Who knows. It's not something thats ever made public.
If we free 4 players at Christmas, I don't think we give them every penny of their contract. We probably give them close to 60%. By not paying that remaining 40%, allows you to maybe bring in 1 or 2 players til the end of the season. Offering an 18 month contract is immaterial as the last 12 months are from next season's budget, which is only in a preliminary stage of discussion.
cheers for your posts.
dave
Not disagreeing but the £x budget set (& this was told to me by someone who os a club sponsor) that we've overspent our transfer budget again last season & coupled with poor crowds/cup run/league finishing prize money...
It's what was discussed at the start of the season by the manager stating looking at bringing in quality over quantity. Maybe with the budget he's been given this is the best.
I don't know.
I just know that if things continue as is we are going we're going to see a further decrease in a budget.
The previous incumbent(s) used their contacts to build a team on peanuts which ultimately have got us in the place we find ourselves today -SPL. If we go down, I can't see Archibald being able to do that (again my opinion).
I don't see the BoD sacking him so I'm sure we'll be having this debate again.
As I said before, I'd love Archibald to prove me wrong as ultimately it will mean staying in SPL but but unfortunately we've had too many of these dips & they're getting longer each time.
Cheers
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I dont think it does contradict what people have said about the board. No one has suggested the board have given Archie zero. It has been suggested the board should be giving him more than what he is receiving, supporting him more.
Re Amoo, I take it you are unaware he was injured at the start of the season? From recollection, he played in the Hamilton game, even though he was injured.
Your comment re attacking is incorrect. We have created quite a few chances. In fact, was it not Dundee we hit the woodwork quite a few times.
I agree re Stevo. My impression was that he would play on the right of the three. But he can obviously play between positions. In a 4231 it's required that your attacking 4 can vary where they play.
I'd agree, the players we have should be performing better than they have. There are games they haven't done enough. And the buck stops with them. Eventually, if it doesn't pick up, the manager will lose his job. See Baraclough. Sacked by Morherwell and the chairman publically blamed the players. They let him down.
I have no doubt that there are a group of fans who want Archie out. As can be seen, he could turn water into wine. The minute we run out of wine. They are back anonymously posting on forums. the wine starts flowing and they disappear. Some call it trolling, some call it gutless.
Some say everyone's entitled to their opinion. I'm not so sure. Is Stevie Wonder entitled to an opinion on the works of Banksy? There are some people who I would say are not entitled to their opinion on Archie or our players!
Why is that? Well as can be heard at any given game, they haven't got the first clue about how football is played, how Archie employs his tactics and formation. they slate players, yet Archie picks that guy every week.
there are people on here who don't attend games. But are sitting posting on here during a game calling for Archie's head. How can they formulate an opinion that is valid. They watch three minutes of thistle every Sunday night!!!
People are not entitled to an opinion. They might have an opinion, but they certainly should expect anyone to listen to it or take it seriously.
As I said before PT, I'm not a fan of our BoD. They're in it for the property IMO but to say he should be given more. They paid up contracts of Baird, Kerr, Forbes & Murray first season back in SPL & gave the manager cash to get Moncur, Taylor & Erskine in on loan along with Bauben & Mair.
No idea of the figures involved but there would've been a few quid spent.
Last season the BoD backed him with Stevenson, Seaborne, Carroll & Ecclestone. Which to be fair looked like 4 good purchases on paper. Carroll went down the road Jan with a few quid in his pocket having only played 9 or 10 games & Ecclestone- who is imagine wasn't the lowest paid player at the club- was released, again with a few quid in his pocket.
They supported him by bringing in Taylor again, wages wouldn't be cheap I'd guess, & Frans.
In return we've had no cup run to speak of to bolster finances & missed out on prize money due to poor results in last game/s.
Other than Kilmatnock, I reckon the Dundee game was the first game this season we've created more than a couple of chances in a game. Wasn't at Dingwall so can't comment & Motherwell on Saturday felt we didn't really create many clear cut chances.
If Amoo had been injured, having completed a full pre season, surely it shouldn't take him too long to get back up to speed- so to speak!!
I agree with why you say about the attacking 4 but we only seem to switch our 2 wide players & wouldn't say Stevenson a centre forward or a wide player like Higgy or Lawless, even Amoo. That's not to say he can't play wide but I go back to the point that whether he's seen as behind striker player or wider, he's not been given a run in the one position.
I think a fully fit Stevenson behind the striker will chip in with 8-10 goals a season. As stands in team we've been playing just now, Bannigan or Welsh won't get you that amount of goals & it's not Osman's game.
Which in turn leads to point that the buck stops at the manager. He sets up the team. As much as we all like to think we're master tacticians he's the one that selects the players in the team to get the result on a Saturday. He's the one that chooses the formation, works on defensive drills & set pieces.
Does anyone on here think a midfield 3 of Osman, Welsh & Bannigan works? I'd hazard a guess & say not many, if any. Like I said we might like to think we're master tacticians but we're football fans & call it as we see it. Maybe the manager is at the stubborn stage. We all remember that with previous incumbents- good & bad.
I've been on here arguing that the manager out his depth for past year or so. Sure he kept us up but then so did McCall & McGhee with Motherwell but some folk on here seem to laugh at them being suggested as a potential replacement.
As for opinions, is mi e any more or less valid than an armchair fan or nomad? That's a contentious issue. What I would say though is forget the forum, surely the biggest indication of folks opinions at this current moment is the crowds? Season Ticket numbers dwindling is a massive concern.
Why? Price certainly a factor I'm sure but do folk feel they're getting value for money? Are we playing the free flowing attacking footy of s couple seasons ago? Are we playing a quick passing game? On both the answer is no. I think we're playing a poor imitation of it where we pass the ball continually in front of a team then lump it. My opinion but then if I turn up every other week thinking that, what do lapsed fans/ST holders think?
Have the club asked?
I think just now there is is general malaise running through club from top to bottom.
But then, that's just my opinion that some folk (not yourself PT) think isn't as relevant as theirs.
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If in doubt mention budgets.
It's the budget that counts. That's why Hamilton finished bottom last season & were relegated.
That's tight isn't it?
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I'd have thought it very likely that Dumbaya will pick up a knock or two. I can't see Elliott coming back from injury and walking into a right back spot as once recovered he'll probably take weeks to get up to speed. McInally I feel would struggle with the step up this season. Cover for right back, centreback, left back at a push plus the option to go three at the back in my book is important enough.
I'll put my hands up as I'm not really aware of development squad players as such so you're in a far better position than me to comment.
I just think with money so tight then these guys should be given opportunity to see if they're good enough to make step up.
The 3 at the back option I get, but at the start of season we had 4 CHs, down to 3 now Hendry left but with Whiteside coming in...?
However if we were to play 3 at the back you'd argue that Lindsay, Frans, Seabourne as first 3 with perhaps Osbourne/Whiteside as cover.
Hypothetical I know but then it's probably as hypothetical as the manager changing tactics to play 3 at the back.
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I think that's very unfair on Miller to make that comparison. He's hardly put a foot wrong when he's played.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him feature in quite a few games.
To base an opinion or arguement on second guess's is ridiculous.
Now come the end of the season, if miller hasn't kicked a ball since Dumbaya arrived, then yes, there is a case. But right now? No.
The youth question? I don't know who our youth right back is. Our management do. And they decided Dumbaya was too good an opportunity to miss out on.
The arguement re scoring goals? Before his signature, we weren't creating chances for our a attackers to take. Since his arrival, we've started creating more chances. So again backs up signing him.
We've yet to see the Ozzie lad, we've brought Muirhead in, and Pogba's coming back from injury. amoo's getting fitter and improving. So it seems the attacking side is also being addressed.
I don't think Miller a bad player. I think ultimately he may be this year's whoever because of the players we have who can also cover right back & because he's not a player who fits the system the manager uses & wants from his full backs!!
I reckon we'll only see Miller at right back if Dumbaya injured or suspended.
The attacking side I take your point but then does that not contradict those who said the BoD haven't supported the manager?
The Amoo getting fitter statement is worrying. He should be up to speed by now having been involved in all of pre season. As for improving... Jury out for me on that one.
As for creating chances, like I said, last couple of games (well ones I've been to namely Dundee & Motherwell as wasn't at Dingwall) we've had Doolan doing well in wide area & getting a cross in to.... no one.
We're putting in crosses from our centre forward who we want to be on the end of the crosses.
I've asked before, Stevenson. When we signed him, what position was it for? Wide attacking midfield, in behind striker or as a centre forward? He's one who doesn't seem to have had a run in one settled position.
I think we have s group of players capable of performing far better than we are. Why are they not? Well for me buck stops at the manager.
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He should be given to the end of the season. If football fans demand loyalty( McNamara, Higgy, Conrad, Erskine, Paton). They should show loyalty, especially to someone like Archie. He's proven he can turn it around twice before when the Forum F#nnies wanted him sacked.
Said it before, no such thing as loyalty now.
Someone on here got it spot on when they said the only loyal folk on football are the folk (mugs) who pay their money each week.
If Archibald was doing well & another club came calling with more money would he be loyal to PTFC? No. (Like McNamara before him you couldn't blame him as hit to look after yourself).
Loyalty is not an argurment to keep him. Results in a business is what he should be judged on.
Ultimately in football the thing a manager should ultimately be judged on is if he is getting results on the pitch.
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I have absolutely no problem at all with us having two right backs as they seem, very different options.
On the evidence so far, I would be a disappointed if Archie didn't sign Dumbaya, because he had recently signed Miller.
for clarity, I like both right backs and think both will have a role to play.
If we had more money then I'd agree with you.
Thing is, we don't.
We've got a development squad, surely rather than have 2 out & out right backs when money is tight & our biggest problem seems to be scoring goals, we should be looking at other options there?
Keep saying it, quality vs quantity.
Unless Dumbays is inj or suspended I can't see Miller featuring.
This year's Eccleston, Baird, Kerr, Forbes...?
McCall needs removed PRONTO
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