Bleeding Gums Murphy
-
Posts
689 -
Joined
-
Last visited
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Events
Blogs
Gallery
Posts posted by Bleeding Gums Murphy
-
-
I think that a lot of this discussion is a sympton of what goes in in society these days. Nobody does stoicism these days and it is actually much better to run around telling people how much you are stressing out. We also live in a very disposable age so people just throw things out if there is a slight issue and they think that just applies to football managers as well. The fact that Archie has been here for nearly 3 seasons means that some people just think that it is time for a change (look at the average length a manager in Scotland gets these days) whilst I prefer to think that the good job he has done in that period means he deserves some slack.
Lets all be truly honest with each other here - there are some posters who have wanted him out almost as soon as he got the job and will continue to hold to that opinion even when we start winning the only thing that will change is they will just stop posting whilst that happens but their opinions won't change.
Not sure if this is aimed at me as well as the obvious others but I'll bite...
This 'stoicism' thing that you're maybe suggesting that certain folk should be.
Correct me if I'm wrong, football is s business & to be successful in business you have to have a good product.
If the product isn't what the customer wants then they won't buy (or in the case of football, they won't turn up).
If the person charged with making your business a success on a day to day basis isn't coming up with the ideas or is costing your business money. What happens?
Football is a cut throat business these days & there is no such thing as loyalty for players or managers.
There's not one person at the club (players/management & perhaps even the financial director) who wouldn't move to a bigger club as soon as they came calling with more money.
Loyalty in football amongst players/management/chief executives long gone.
The only loyalty shown is by fans.
But hey, Alan Archibald a nice guy, club legend & kept us for a couple of seasons so that makes him exempt from criticism?
At the end of the day, it's nothing to do with living in a throwaway society or being stressed. PTFC is a business & those running the business will look at it far more coldly & calculating than any fan.
We're already losing money, unless Alan Archibald turns it around over the next few weeks then, as has been said by others on here, the PATG will start to find something else to spend their hard earned cash on- especially true on run up to Xmas & Janusry.
ETA: Fearcher said in 5 lines what I said in an essay!!
-
No. I don't think he's going to answer either...
I agree m'lady that everyone's expectations different but it was PT who said mine were to high without even knowing what they were.
Having said what they were, I'd have thought he'd at least have told me which he thought were to high.
-
F**k me, I'm finding myself in agreement with BGM (on some points, at least). The difference between Hartley and AA was laid bare yesterday. The former's changes appeared tactically shrewd and altered the shape of his side while dulling the effectiveness of ours. AA's substitutions seemes to be the last resort, with players simply slotting into the positions vacated by those they replaced. We needed something other than a simple freshing of legs, especially when Dundee scored. We didn't get it.
You know what DP? It was the same things I was saying Feb/March.
I realise Archibald can still be classed as a relatively inexperienced manager but same could be said for Hartley. I just don't think he's learning. When the opposition have sussed your system, changing one player for another in same position isn't going to have a high percentage of success.
He's done tremendously well on a tight budget to keep us in the top league over the past couple of seasons but other teams have sussed us out &, as yet (over 2 & bit seasons in SPL), Archibald has shown an inability to change things.
That's why I think the next 3 games are crucial.
Nothing changes in terms of results/performances then ultimately we may have to look at changing the manager.
-
Maybe he's brought in two right backs who have different attributes, and therefore are more suited to different games. Thus allowing him to have a plan B?
Do you honestly believe that?
Our plan B will revolve around a defensive right back?
& which of my expectations are to high?
-
The bits I quoted was relevant and in context with each other. I removed the stuff irrelevant to my point.
Again for clarity, at no point did I say you criticised a player. However, I think it's unfair to expect him to have clicked within a handful of games. But, if he hasn't it's the managers fault.
You still haven't said which of my expectations are to high?
As for it not being the manager's fault? Whose fault is it then?
I actually agree that it's unfair to expect him to click straight away BUT if the manager wants to play the same system where our fullbacks provide width & crosses then why sign Gary Miller?
Hes s good solid defensive right back but ask any St Johnstone fan & they'll tell you his game is that, not getting up & down the park all day long.
That's not a criticism either by the way. He's a victim of the system the manager persists in wanting to play.
So whose fault is it we signed a right back only to decide he's not what's needed a month into the season?
-
Ahhh, good old selective quoting but I still don't see a criticism or a player/players.
What was the context of that whole post?
If I didn't make it clear, I'll explain it again. Archibald's inability to change/play any system other than the one we've used over past few seasons.
The same thing his master being criticised for at DU. Teams have sussed us & when plan A not working we don't have a plan B.
Example yesterday when Hartley brought on the boy down their left probably to attempt to stop Dumbaya getting forward as much as he was.
Then he puts on a second striker taking off a midfielder. Meanwhile, we use our subs & system stays same.
Come on, be honest. When Dundee scored yesterday, you weren't confident that we'd get something from it?
You don't expect to go down with a whimper again though.
So... Which of my expectations were to high?
-
Or to expect a guy who's playing in a new country with new team mates, who hasn't had a pre season, to click with the team after 4 games.
Who are we talking about here?
I haven't criticised any player.
-
@STVSport: Paul Hartley confesses Dundee were 'lucky' to win at Partick Thistle http://t.co/T8FD3IDYkL
That's ok then. We were 'unlucky' yesterday.
Plucky, cuddly Partick Thistle. Oh wait....
-
have you ever thought, your expectations are unrealistic?
You're right.
I shouldn't expect my team to have more than one shot on target at home.
Or for the manager to change things when we're losing.
Or expect them to perform better at home against a team from the lower league.
Or set a team up to have a go at a team who had played 1000s of miles away a few days previously.
Are my expectations to high that I expect us to win games?
Or win home games before the new year?
Or win home games against teams that are around us in the league?
Or indeed survive in the top league?
Which of these expectations are too high?
-
2
-
-
Do you disagree? A team that hits the woodwork 3 times in the one game and gets beat 1-0 isn't unlucky?
I'd have thought that's the definition of unlucky!
What's the saying about making your own luck?
Point is, how many times have we heard that?
Are we really that unlucky that we can't hit the target on 1 on 1 or when you have a free header 8 yards out or when the centre half/left back slips & can't cover?
We were 'unlucky' not to register a home win until Feb/March 1st year up as playing some good stuff.
We were 'unlucky' last season in our winless run in the new year as we were playing some good stuff.
Confidence a big thing I know, but when a pattern starts to repeat itself as in being 'unlucky' every other week then surely something has to change somewhere?
We've now brought in an attacking full back to replace SOD (said on another thread thought Miller unlucky but all to do with us wanting to play a system. Predictable much?) & a replacement of sorts for Higginbotham in Muirhead.
So... The manager has the players he wants to play the system he wants.
So... If (& already said big IF) it doesn't click in next 3 games against teams that you would think are around us, then something else has to change.
Like I said, I don't think we're at crisis time yet, I just think the next few weeks will define the season.
If we continue to be 'unlucky' then something has to give IMO.
-
Think the next 3 games before the next international break the key.
As it stands, Ross Co & Motherwell are 2 teams we would consider (on paper) not to have a better starting 11 than us. They're also teams that you'd expect to be in bottom 6. If ,still a big IF I know) we lose both then the DU game at Firhill becomes it.
I think if we are winless by then, then a change of manager has to come.
He's beginning to sound like his friend at DU by saying we were 'unlucky' & hinting we're going to give someone a going over soon.
This wasn't a good Dundee team but their manager proactive, changed their system & won the points despite us having the maj of the ball & better chances.
As I said, next 3 weeks crucial. We're on the verge of crisis time but not quite there - yet.
-
Archie,
The lone striker isn't working.
The formation isn't working.
The tactics aren't working.
The substitutions aren't working.
The set pieces aren't working.
Change it or chuck it.
Definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over & over again hoping for a different result.
-
Sadly, it's no surprise: keep doing the same and you'll keep getting the same results. Instead of mixing up attacks, when we move forward, we send the ball to the wings. You can practically hear the sighs of relief from visiting managers as we keep moving the ball out of the danger area to the wings. IIRC today we had one shot, from a late substitute (Sean Welsh). Otherwise, we had oodles of crosses, with nothing to show for them. When is the penny going to drop?
This.
& although he did well today, the signing of Dumbuya highlights that further.
Miller was a good solid defensive right back but didn't offer as much in wide positions as SOD. So, instead of changing formation to try something new, we show everyone we have a new attacking right back where we'll try get balls into box from.
Booth I've said before awful defensively & can't cross the ball without hitting first man 90% of time it seems but yeah
Fearchar I'd agree with everything you've posted.
Genuinely think Archibald incapable of playing any other formation which ironically is exactly what the DU fans are saying about his predecessor.
It looks very bleak for us just now & I think other teams in the league have sussed how we play. Then when you consider that the replacements signed for players we've lost in past couple of seasons are on the whole inferior it doesn't look good for the immediate future.
-
He was, for me, far & away our best player in the first half. Thought the front 4 were very good in their movement & positioning first half & Dundee's best chance of scoring looked like it might come from our mistake rather than them creating (ultimately it did).
Also think it was no coincidence that when he started to tire was when we started to lose our grip on the game.
As for the subs, notwithstanding fact that Amoo 8 McDaid awful, surely Muirhead should've been first off? His legs had gone. Lawless, tho not brilliant, was more involved in the 5/10 minutes before he was subbed than he'd been in previous 60.
-
1
-
-
Did we only have 4 subs listed?
Thought that was a little strange unless Seabiscuit due to play & laddered his tights at last minute again!!
How did the trialist play? Was it still Ronaldo? Any ideas?
-
daily record said around about £250k
Well if the Daily Record said it....
-
Go on then... I'll stick in a £10.
-
On paper (and video) looks like a good signing. Looks like he's more of a wing back so could give us flexibility formation wise.
Also being linked to Adam Hammill. Would be a tremendous signing but I'd have though he'd be way out our price range.
It was a Killie fan in work that pointed it out to me. had his contract cancelled by mutual consent by Huddersfield yesterday. He was hoping it was Jamie Hamill!
-
If the story I've just been told it looks like seeing signing going to be a wide player- Adam Hamill- so maybe that points to Miller being back up centre half.
-
I'm not keen on bringing Balatobi back. Like others have said, he turned his back on a contract & has touted himself, unsuccessfully so far, around numerous clubs.
That said, from what I hear the Ronaldo kid with the u21s has been good for one mistake in the 3 games he's played for development squad & Seabiurne a waste of a wage. Injury prone &/or disinterested.
Perhaps beggars can't be choosers re Balatoni.
We'll see what today brings.
-
So Seabourne withdrew because someone in for him? (Please let it be true) or he's ripped his tights again?
-
If a deal does go through down South it has to be before 6pm. Hopefully we have target/targets lined up with the cash & an extra 6 hours to complete deals.
-
Good footballer, and really nice guy (I'm good friends with his Dad over here)
He has the speed and shooting from distance we could need, can also play as the link up between midfield and attack (where he plays for Scotland U19)
Like to see him as the link player off Pogba. Stevo coming in off the left.
-
From a poster who has, at least once, flounced off and proclaimed he wouldn't be gracing the forum with his presence any longer.
Run out of likes for the day Mad Aussie but for once we're in agreement.
I'm not going to call for the manager's head just now. I'll be interested to see what happens before the window closes but pretty obvious we need 2 players in to give us some hope in final third.
Amoo following Ecclestone & Mukendi in ex Liverpool duds with jury still out on Pogba still but regardless whether him or Doolan (maybe even both) up top they need some help.
Yesterday at times Pogba was 20/30 yards ahead of our midfield. We need a link player (Stevo?) & a wide player if the manager (Alan to yourself Mad Aussie
Crisis Time ?
in Main Jags forum
Posted
Thought Stevenson played well yesterday but on the fitness thing, I'm not sure the team look as fit as they were last season. Maybe just me this time.
For me, Welsh further forward doesn't work, nor does Bannigan.