Tom Hosie
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6 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
And you have no idea if there was not one ? However actions speak louder than words and until there is a rationale explanation as to why they rushed back to sack him - I will hold my own Council
Your also being selective - I said cut All aspects of the Club that were not related to the First Team - not just the Woman's Team - in a Financial Crisis you cut all costs
I never said I did.
Rational explaination. You are actually looking for something make sophisticated than club change well backed manager when failing in a promotion challenge with the financial implications of not going up?
You mentioned PTWFC several times. I replied on a subject that I happen to know something about.
You like rationale (sic) explanations. Perhaps you can explain then the value in axing something when the financial impact of doing so is negligible to the point of non existent?
Finally, making the same point time and time again doesn't make more valid.
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34 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
You do not know in any shape or form wither there was a personal agenda or not - no matter how well written the response is
What we do know is that they couldn't wait to sack him - no one has a logical explanation and it leaves a question mark
What we do know is that there was discussions on significant investment and McCall returning was part of at least one of the packages
So it all may be a “ conspiracy theory”
but they are reasonable questions to ask - if it was personal then we have a serious problem
And you have no idea if there was a personal agenda no matter how often, or badly written, you suggest there is.
You are absolutely a conspiracy theorist. Always have been. You revel in crisis and are rarely heard of otherwise.
And btw seeing as you are clearly fishing, I'll bite. If PTWFC were binned as being "non essential" as suggested the impact on the Club's budget would be neglible to the point of non existent. And that I say with some knowledge.
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I wondered why a thread about the Hearts game was still going. I now know.
JJ has always enjoyed a good conspiracy theory. The Ibrox Rush, boy he's like a dog with a bone with that.
FWIW I think annoucing the McCall sacking the evening of the Rangers game was an error. It could have kept a day, or even two, and made no significant difference.
That there was some personal agenda against McCall though, a guy I've a lot of time for incidentally, is IMO, well wide of the mark.
Football is ruthless. As much as I have a lot if time for McCall personally if it had been my responsibility to make the call (and thankfully these things never will be) I'd have made a change after the 3-0 defeat at Raith Rovers.
Perhaps the turmoil at the Club at the time actually kept McCall in post. I wonder what would d have happened had Sneddon not headed an injury time winner at Cove?
Anyway, I suspect the notion that there was any personal agenda, in resoinse to outside influences against McCall belongs firmly alongside the notion that 9/11 was an inside job.
My guess, and we are all guessing, is the new board came in and saw that there was a massive financial crisis lying waiting to swallow the club up.
One (only?) way to address/resolve that impending crisis was to win promotion.
We were outside the play-offs, had just lost at home to Cove and Hamilton and the Board took the call that McCall could not win the club promotion.
It's inconceivable to me that that decision wasn't made well in advance of Ibrox. The decent showing in defeat was immaterial.
It was both a financial and football decision. To address the incoming financial crisis we had to win promotion. McCall wasn't going to achieve that therefore a change was required.
I thought at the time the McCall out Doolan in, roll of the dice was a massive gamble. The dice came agonisingly close to rolling our way.
From the outside I think the current Board are doing a fair job. Certainly those I know have my trust. Time, league positions and scrutiny of the accounts will determine if they are.
Those of us that pretty much just see 90 minutes of football don't know what internal 'non essential', for want of a better phrase have phrase, cuts have been made in terms of internal restructuring.
They certainly appear to have provided the manager with a more competitive budget than I suspected he might have ve able to spend. He'll live and die in football terms on how he spends it.
That suggests that the Board have been doing anything but ignoring the finances of the football club and have addressed some not insignificant issues .
I think this season will be challenging in many ways, both on and off the pitch, but we look to be headed in the right direction, boosted by a good three points yesterday that typically I missed.
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44 minutes ago, a f kincaid said:
No names, no pack drill but I heard a rumour on Saturday only 500 were printed whereas around 2,000 was normal. The club were losing serious money every week because they were not selling so they stopped them. Perhaps a modest print run this week was to test the water again? Makes me wonder what happens to the £100 of everyone who has subscribed to the mail order service if the club decide to withdraw them.
I can answer the above.
The Club weren't previously printing 2,000 copies. That's a crazy total for our home gates.
Yesterday's print run was for a figure circa 25% higher than was on sale for the last two seasons it was sold to crowds. It didn't sell out then.
Yesterday's programme was a sell out. The last two available copies I'm told went to Zander MacKenzie, who was the subject of our player interview.
The programme is here to stay for the season ahead.
Advertising has been sold for the season. There is the subscription service available via Curtis Sports which I'm told benefits the Club.
I think I can speak for all associated with the programme when I say that we are really pleased with both sales of and response to the programme. It's been really positive all round.
First one is notoriously difficult to put together and we were working to a really tight schedule which won't be the case moving forward.
Yes there was an element of dipping our toes in the water yesterday. It gives us a really good idea of what works, what doesn't in terms of content etc. and gives us a good yardstick for future print runs.
I'll be making a start on the QP programme later today. We go again (I've always wanted to say that!).
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2 minutes ago, Lambies Lost Doo said:
Do you get it delivered before Saturday? I'd love to have one to take hassle of looking for one pre-game.
I think Curtis Sport did a great job getting this to subscribers today as the bloody thing didn't go to print until yesterday morning!
That won't be as late in future, so subscribers should get their copy in plenty time.
I don't know the answer to your first question unfortunately.
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3 hours ago, Jaggernaut said:
So, can we look forward to 40 pages of adverts, 2 pages of squad updates 1 page of "memories," 1 page of "development", 1 page of " PTFC women," 1 page of "community," and 2 pages of colour photos?
Can't wait!
You can look forward to whatever you want but that description in absolutely no way matches the content of Saturday's programme.
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29 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
There was never an option for fan ownership - this is an urban myth
It would only be an urban myth if anyone other than yourself was claiming that it was an option.
The reported Conway/Lee takeover was catalyst for a chain reaction of events that ultimately took the Club down that route. A route with a fair few wrong turns and dead ends.
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2 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
I never said “ any change of ownership “ was preferential to the status quo ~ however we did get the status quo and finances drove the changes
So if it’s a choice between financial stability or having the status quo - I’m going with Financial Stability
The finances didn't drive the changes. The extent of the financial difficulties only became known after the transfer of shares to the PTFC Trust and after the resignation of JL and the majority of the then Board.
Your last sentence is a strange one. Who wouldn't? But that wasn't an option at the time of Conway/Lee. We had the choice of the status quo or something completly unknown. Something that deeply troubled me at the time and something that looks that we did well to avoid.
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40 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
So a Chain of Events that could have taken us under and a large degree of luck in Cup Draw is not exactly a plan ~ the dire finances creates Fan Ownership nothing more
To repeat. Nobody is claimimg it was a plan.
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24 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
At the time Fan Ownership was not an option and ultimately we wiere sold to 3BC
Nobody is claiming that it was.
It's clear though that the chain reaction of events, the ousting of JL and return of Beattie, the purchase of the club by Colin Weir and return of JL and the highly contentious process of transfering of the majority shareholding has taken us, indirectly, much closer to a fan ownership model . The events are intrinsically linked.
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13 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
At the time the Choice was Conway etc .or the Jlo Board _- there was no third TJF option
we ended up with a Jlo led Board the outcome was a £699k finance shortfall which could have taken us under
The Chain of events came very close to Financial Meltdown
The words FryPan and Fire spring to mind
And yes what?
The conversation is not about the management of the club prior to, and subsequent to, the reported interest of Conway/Lee but whether or not becoming associated with Conway/Lee was a bullet dodged.
You seem to be suggesting that any change in ownership was prefable to the then status quo. A change in ownership can, of course, be a good thing and we absolutely should have been operating with an entirely more sustainable model, but it doesn't automatically follow that will be the case.
That any change is automatically for the better was then, is now and will forever be a flawed, dangerous, argument.
Had a Conway/Lee takeover happened you can be almost certain that we wouldn't be where we are right now. Working under extremely challening financial constraints but equally a more sustainable and stable football club.
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The reported interest of Conway and Lee was the catalyst for a chain reaction of events that have taken us to where we are today. I don't think anyone is remotely claiming that it was a planned, strategic route that has taken us from there to the point we are at now. That's an utterly facile argument.
Everything that has happened between Conway/Lee's reported interest and today is irrelevant when suggesting that we dodged a bullet in not getting involved with them.
I guess it could be claimed to ultimately have been a good thing as it has, hopefully, lead indirectly to an altogether more sustainable, fan centric, ownership model.
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Bit of a special day at Petershill today.
Off the pitch it was free admission for all. The result? A crowd three times bigger than our last home gate.
Really good atmosphere with flags and drums.
On the pitch, we battered Aberdeen for the vast majority of that. Baffling that they got 2-0 up and you did wonder if it wasn't going to be our day.
But, and just as a watching Kris Doolan correctly predicted, once the first came the rest would follow. And so they did.
Will be watching the 3rd Aberdeen goal back very carefully.
Three points away to Dundee United and a top six place will be ours. This less than 10 years after the team's formation.
Exciting times.
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23 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
Now we have a Chairman & a CEO who were there when this was agreed last Summer - Im sure they can clarify if the Target was Promotion or Second Place ?
My previous comment about multiple posts saying the same thing and being clearly not "lost for words" was made for a bit of levity but really, JJ, what does saying the same thing over and over really achieve?
Tragetting promotion and a second place finish aren't mutually exclusive in any case. FWIW I think to have a realistic chance of promotion via the play-offs I really think you have to finish 2nd.
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3 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
Words Fail me
Having made multiple posts, albeit pretty much all saying the same thing, words clearly don't fail you. 😂
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Just now, Tom Hosie said:
No we don't.
TJF nominated Caroline Mackie to sit on the Board, but she is not there acting as a representative of TJF.
She is there as a Director in her own right (and one incidentally I have trust in, excellent appointment). This is something that TJF were very clear about in their statement in the wake of McCall's dismissal.
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9 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
There is nothing I have said concerning the use of Budgets & Targets from the previous Board - with full acceptance that they are accurate & correct by the Current Board to dismiss the Management Team that I believe is incorrect - unless you ( or anyone else ) has info to contradict what Ive said then the basis of dismal ( as stated by the Board ) certianly seems odd
No we dont have Fan Ownership - we have a Majority on the Board rpreseenting Two Fans Groups though - if this was the previous Board- Im not convinced that there would be such meek acceptance of the recent decisions - but thats just my view
This has nothing to do with any personal relationship with Ian McCall - ive pointed out inconsistancies in what appears to be acceptance of the Previous Boards decisions in one element - but not on others
No we don't.
TJF nominated Caroline Mackie to sit on the Board, but she is not there acting as a representative of TJF.
She is there as a Director in her own right (and one incidentally have trust in). This is something that TJF were very clear about in their statement in the wake of McCall's dismissal.
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1 hour ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
But Hey Ho - Im obviously out of Sync with the New GroupSpeak of Fan Ownership being sooo Much better than previous set ups
Out of sync certainly with regard to the position that we are in.
We are not, at this point in time, a Fan Owned club. Moving towards that certainly, but not there yet.
There is plenty about the current situation that is of concern but to try and a tie that to fan ownership is miles off the mark.
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7 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
And No -you cant have different expectations from Management Teams - if you Fire one Team for not hitting targets - then you appoint someone who will hit them ( otherwise there is no point in making the changes )
Kris Doolan, or any subsequent appointment this season, isn't playing with the same pack of cards though.
Ian McCall was given a budget to achieve his objectives. Deployed that budget and had circa two thirds of a season to put the team in a position of achieving the objectives given to him.
The immediate succesors can't be held responsible for the perceived failings of those that went immediately before.
Kris Doolan has no budget. Next to no ability to restructure another man's squad. He, or another, could potentially demonstrate enough coaching ability to suggest they are the man to take us forward AND finish outside the top four this season.
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FWIW my take on things.
Although personally I wouldn't have done so at this point, deciding that a change in management is required is a perfectly valid position to take.
It's what has happened subsequent to that decision being made that troubles me both short and long term.
Speculating here but is the best (only?) way out of an impending cash flow/financial crisis to win promotion to the Premiership?
If so then the Board have decided that there is no chance of that being achieved with Ian McCall. Or at least there are better options out there.
Again a perfectly valid position to take.
The better option chosen though is Kris Doolan who has no managerial, or even coaching at this level, experience.
The examples of McNamara and Archibald aren't, IMO, comporable.
Both were part of the existing structure, Archibald in the coaching team, with a knowledge of the players and the players them.
Dools comes into this blind.
There isn't one of us who doesn't desperately want him to succeed. We want every Thistle manager to succeed, but Dools is a bit special. An absolute Thistle legend and a damn fine human being to boot. I suspect many of us always thought he'd be our manager one day. I know I did.
But to thrust him into this position, unless his 'interim' appointment is genuinely short term, is one hell of a gamble. Especially if the financial wellbeing of the Club is dependent on being in the Premiership next season.
It's an utterly inspired call if it works. Where does it leave us if it doesn't?
To finish, I think it is a sign of the kind of man Kris is for him to step in right now. It's clear he has a deep love for our, for his, Club. I know that whatever reservations we may have over recent events, we are all right behind him. I wish him nothing but success in his tenure as our manager.
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1 hour ago, Jaggernaut said:
The Jag is easy (if you know the answer!). How about the opponent?
Is the Motherwell (?) player Tam Forsyth?
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This morning seems as good a time as any to provide an update on the team's progress.
It was an excellent 5-1 win at Hamilton yesterday. The Accies keeper being sent off after just 5 minutes certainly helped but the quality of our football and use of the ball was fantastic and extends our unbeaten league run to 5 games. 13 points from those 5 games, 15 goals scored and just two conceded. These things are always a bit skewed by who has played the top three and who hasn't, but our form in the last five games is topped by nobody. That top three included.
We've just one game to play before the first round of matches are completed and no matter what happens in that match we'll be sitting in the top six come the end of that round of fixtures.
The remaining game is a toughy against Glasgow City but we stretched them at times last season and confidence has never been higher so who knows. Hibs, who we drew with andd currently sit above in the league table, knocked them out the SWPL Cup recently so who knows. Maybe a famous result incoming?
It's a big day off the pitch too. Keep an eye on the team's socials but we've stuff planned for the day. We're hoping to welcome a record crowd to Petershill Park for one of our home games.
Partick Thistle v Hamilton Accies - Match Highlights - 19th November 2022 - YouTube
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17 hours ago, Tom Hosie said:
The Thistle Women's team are having another positive season.
Wins in three of our last four unbeaten league games have taken us to 5th in the league.
The Christmas Auction is about to close tomorrow and NOW is the time to bid on some fantastic items. You can get some fantastic, and is some cases unique, christmas presents as well as supporting development of Partick Thistle Women's FC.
Auction has now been extended to 10pm to allow anyone at work and unable to bid while at work to have a final chance of bidding.
Personally I'd be after the Lambie whisky. That's something that will obviously never be seen again.
Hearts Viaplay Cup - Sunday 20 August
in Main Jags forum
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Can't believe that anyone thinks that the change in management didn't bring us closer to promotion than had there be no change.
If anything subsequent events are an argument that a change should have been made earlier.