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1 minute ago, Garscube Road End said:
Her previous tenure would suggest that it would be a concern.
Okay. I remain of the opinion that her profile has been unfairly and overly criticised. I drew the parallel with Gerry b to try and reinforce the unfairness that all the negative press stuck with jacqui.
im not going to convince you that some of this was based on old fashioned male prejudice, but it does seem that a few others share my concern.
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Just now, Garscube Road End said:
It was a very relevant and appropriate question.
Because you think her involvement would be a disaster?
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3 minutes ago, Garscube Road End said:
You are indeed, but quite frankly to say it is to do with chauvinism is stretching it. I was rather excited when she became chairman, but she proved a PR disaster which is so ironic.
How else do you explain the reaction to her return. If somebody else helped broker a continued investment of a multi millionaire supporter I think they would be greeted more positively. The mere prospect of that appears to have horrified some people.
i thought it was great when we had a female chair. The reaction to her from our fan base has been disappointing IMO.
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4 minutes ago, allyo said:
But it has to do with something, right?
Plenty of chairmen appoint bad managers, plenty could be accused of poor communication, plenty oversee poor results which they have very little control over beyond the initial managerial appointment.
There's something about Jacqui Low that is considered malign and toxic by many people on this board, that goes beyond what is merely visible to the likes of me. It may not be sexism, it may be something else completely, but there is something.
Thanks allyo - you’ve put that in a much more erudite fashion than I was managing to do.
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12 minutes ago, Norgethistle said:
It’s nothing to do with chauvinism.
That’s your opinion. I’m allowed mine.
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7 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
Gerry Britton had zero to do with Caldwell appiontment / stop making stuff up
Jj - how do you know that he wasn’t. I would expect that as part of the board, he would be part of the process?
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7 hours ago, KemoAvdiu said:
Do you think it would be a positive or negative thing for Jacqui Low to be back in control of the club?
For me - we should have more diversity in the board. It still seems to me that the negativity to jacqui is out of proportion. I’d welcome her back and the comments and negativity on here reinforce my views that some of this is old fashioned male chauvinism ie. she’s out of her depth. What prepares you to be a chair of a club, apart from being on a board previously?
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3 minutes ago, Kingleo said:
What do you think she did well in her tenure Blakey? Can you think of anything that made you think “ she knows what she’s up to”. I certainly can’t
I think she can take credit for some of the social inclusion activities for fan groups including proud jags and making family and female supporters more welcome.
she did set her stall out for improved communication and access to board members and management. Events took over and I think that she did less well than hoped here.
i do agree that the appointment of gc has tarnished her reputation. I just don’t like the tone of some of the comments I’ve seen - as if she is wholly accountable for all the bad stuff. If she has helped build a bridge between thistle and colin to take us where we are now - I think that is a good thing.
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Jeez...I started this thread and am now completely lost. Some of the last few posts have bamboozled me. Fwitw- I am just a thistle fan.
i became a bit concerned when I saw some of the feedback that said ‘oh no - colin is back so here comes jacqui’.
some folk on here seem to think they know what makes for a good chair or boardroom member. Some of the negativity to jacqui might not be bourne out of sexism, but I think it was ott. There was always the suggestion that she did not know what she was doing. My own opinion is that some of that was based on sexism.
good luck to the interim board. I hope they unite a fragmented and challenging fan base.
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39 minutes ago, jaf said:
Some people didn't like Caldwell - some did
Some people didn't like Archie - some did
They are both male
I guess people might have a myriad of reasons for their opinions positive and negative about Jacqui Low, and amongst everyone I know I don't think any of it is for this reason - suggesting it is a great way of shutting down debate though!
I do wonder if the female members of our fanbase have an opinion on this. It does strike me that Jacqui is held accountable for all the things that went wrong. This might have nothing to do with chauvinism but I am not sure. That's why my comparison to Gerry B was given. Gerry will also have a lot of credit in his bank due to previous Thistle history but...I think the level of disdain for Jacqui has been out of proportion. She was involved in appointing a manager that many of us were unsure of but she appears to get the blame for everything - including Squiddy and Dools departure. The responsibility for all these items will not all be with the chair.
I just see a load of stuff now where people openly state that we don't want her to return. There was a suggestion that she was out of her depth. My remaining concern is that some of that was based on male chauvinism.
I don't really expect people concerned to now go "oh aye, I was a bit of a caveman. I'm now going to mend my ways".
It just does not sit very well with me.
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There appears to be a lot of negativity towards Jacqui Low. I don't really get it.
I know she presided over the club as we went into a tailspin. She was also instrumental in appointing GC. She also admitted to doing some poor comms over that period but...I think the level of negaitivity towards her is OTT. Is any of this chauvinistic?
For example - why is the same level of concern not raised to Gerry B? He has presided over the club for a similar/longer period. I have no axe to grind with Gerry.
BTW - I am not Jacqui or her family...have met her once.
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1 hour ago, Bobbyhouston said:
Can you not go up North tomorrow morning?No
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I can’t go as we are going up north on holiday. Is the game on tv? I can’t fathom the late kick off.
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I think this thread is a colossal waste of time. 2 sides firmly entrenched. I can’t see either side convincing the other unfortunately. Let’s hope the board stuff comes to conclusion soon.
We can then return to debating the important stuff eg. Is big Sean a donkey or the next beckenbauer. Both appear to be right; depending on the Saturday.
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6 minutes ago, West of Scotland said:
Well, I hope David Beattie and the rest of the board are doing a bit more than tossing a coin.
As I said before Beattie and the others came back and have halted the disastrous spending plans of Low and replaced a very unpopular manager with a very popular one. So they seem to know what they're doing.
Why should we think they're being short sighted, selfish and greedy when it comes to selling the club?
Because of the little of what we know about the proposed takeover. It makes little sense.
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2 minutes ago, Firhillista said:
Is the hostility to fan ownership that's being expressed on here practical or ideological?
Is it that there's a concern that Thistle fans owning the club would mean poor decision making and an inability to maintain and develop income? Both reasonable worries, but surely valid concerns for the fans of Hearts, St. Mirren and Motherwell, all of whom seem to be coping okay.
Or is it that for some people fan ownership seems a bit too socialist and they think that it's better having business people in charge who know about making money? Which in some ways seems the safe option, but requires the acceptance that the main purpose of the club is financial, rather than sporting, success.
Are we concerned about being fooled by snake oil salesmen or do we not trust ourselves?
It's been said that in the echo chamber of social media the jury has found against the TfE proposal. But this is mainly a small group of people all with similar views talking to themselves. The article in the Herald today by Graeme McGarry provides a more balanced account and expresses surprise at the hostile response from some Thistle fans to the idea of fan ownership.
Of course any new owners of Thistle will have to answer questions about their plans and intentions. TfE/Colin Weir or whoever. But, as things stand, it seems to me that the fan ownership model is the one most worth pursuing.
I'm more than prepared to change my mind if the international consortium - New City Finance or Pacific whatever - come up with a plan to make us Premiership contenders, winning cups and playing in Europe. I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat. It's just that I've got a funny feeling that's not what's on offer.
Great post. As I mentioned earlier I think some folk also against TFE because of connection to old board (not even sure if that is true).
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1 minute ago, Pinhead said:
yup and look how well stirling are doing these days...
Aye - they are still in existence
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Just now, Fawlty Towers said:
As someone who does not have a twitter account or is on facebook (and that will not change) my views are still relevant, I hope, so whilst those who use these mediums might be against that is still just one part of the whole support.
Fawlty towers - you are not missing much!
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8 minutes ago, Norgethistle said:
If it was raised by fans, then that would be a groundswell of support. As it stands it’s raised by one man (Colin Weir) with how many more pledges? 50, 100, 500, 1000, 50000? We don’t know as TFE haven’t published how many have registered support, but of that figure not all will carry through. Remember it was stated (By same guy running TFE) that Stirling Albion fan buyout had 50000 had signed up, when those actually putting any finances were a fraction of that.
The response on social media appears to be a definite No towards TFE
Social media response is a definite no? How do you gauge that. I’m not sure it’s as obvious and the opinions look very split to me.
In terms of actual pledges and indications of support TFE indicated they had until January to gauge if their approach is viable. I think we need to give them time.
The colin weir proposal has maybe skewed some of the conversation. But TFE might feel they need to accelerate some of their feedback, because of the prospect of the other bidders.
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This whole split in the fan base is very unfortunate. Let’s face it, most of us only have a passing knowledge in law, shares, and boardroom stuff.
Whichever side we support seems to be based on who we trust. Folk who are against TFE seem to be basing this on what happened under jacqui. She definitely got some decisions wrong - most notably the appointment of GC. The previous board are then tarnished with decisions that gc made eg. Dools departure. There will also be concern about the capabilities and financial management under the previous board. Who’s job was that though? I don’t know all these guys but I thought one of the current board had been employed previously as some sort of financial director? Also - Gerry b has been involved in all this. All the apparent ire is directed At jacqui. Also - at fans q and a thing, the current board went to great lengths to say that they did not return due to inadequacy with the old board. Other statements contradict that but it looks like they only returned to try and sell the club.
At the end of the day though it seems crazy to me not to embrace the prospect of a benefactor with a real connection to the club. In combination with real supporters involved that could be a potent mix. I think that prospect is tarnished by the potential links to the previous board. Am afraid those opinions are tarnished by football decisions not made by them, combined with a slide in the clubs performance under their brief stewardship and you can understand some of that but...it certainly has my backing vs a group of relatively unknown foreign businessmen with a patchy track record at other clubs.
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5 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
And so what - a Thistle Fan Group wants to use Colin Weirs Money to buy the Club - if they had used there own Money or managed to convince enough Fans then it has credibility - but they havent
Haven’t convinced you or haven’t convinced enough people? I thought the tipping point was when they raised enough money to buy 51%.
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1 hour ago, bell said:
The guy behind the TFE group was previously behind a shambolic takeover at Stirling Albion, runs a group which claims to speak for all fans in Scotland and has had no apparent connection with Thistle until this opportunity came about. To me that suggests TFE is more to do with the ego of a wannabe than anything. At least if a consortium of billionaires wants to buy a 'fixer-upper' and sell it at a profit later, the club will then be improved in some ways. Letting people with either poor or no records of running a club take over will most likely see us becoming part time at best.
I don't really know Paul at all, but I am friendly with his cousin. They are both Thistle fans so I can vouch for him in that regard. I think he used to run some advertising company called Blue Star (or similar) who used to do a lot of advertising at PTFC. It can't have been that good if I can't remember it :-) But...he's not on an ego trip. He does have experience of setting up fan ownership at other clubs. And he is definitely a thistle fan. He has invested money via advertising with the club also.
I'm not saying that makes him a perfect fit, but it's a pretty good start.
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Also happy with this but...I do wonder if McCall asked for any reassurances about the future of the board. For instance...what if another board comes in. Will they opt for another guy?
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I like the idea of McCall + Doolan but...aside from the compensation for McCall. I do think he would like to come back but...there have been lots of suggestions about the challenges when he left the club under a bit of a cloud last time. Am not sure if that is all resolved with the remaining members on the board.
Also as regards Doolan - he'll want to keep playing. Not sure he is ready/wanting a mgmt role just yet. In addition...how can we sign a player who is already under contract?
In summary - great idea but don't think the timing will work for Doolan.
Jacqui Low
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You must be joking now. She is blamed for that too? Gerry is in with the bricks and has been at the club for a long period. Btw - I think he is an asset to the club. This is not about looking for somebody to blame.
i am concerned that the experience of jacqui would put off other women getting involved at ptfc.