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  3. Player fund

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    In the spirit of the kinds of things Jim is bringing up, I admit I greatly fear upcoming capital expenditures like, having to fix the Weir Stand roof or replacing floodlights or something.

    If and when that happens, I don’t see how we can afford it without handouts.  I figure to pay for that out of trading surplus, we’d have to have existed in the premiership for a few seasons using a team of extremely young players.

  4. Player fund

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    At this point I’d imagine the TJF contribution is more of a known quantity than the prize money at the end of the season.

    I don’t envy the budgeting process required when you, y’know, can’t totally be certain of your revenue curves and such.

  5. Player fund

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    4 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

    Different people will Volunteer for different reasons - all Sports outside Football & Rugby are Run by Volunteers -and in numerous instances produce World Class Sports People - are you suggesting that say Athletics is “ Free Labour” for those involved in Coaching etc 

    Sport can be run to the Highest Standards by people not being paid - its the standards that are set - not the payment that matters 

    I’m not debating standards or saying we should not use volunteers or that volunteers can’t do quality work.

    What I am saying is that volunteerism is labor that you don’t have to put on your balance sheet.  There are no wages, no benefits.  It is free labor.  The club, to an extent, relies on this free labor.

    The free labor, to an extent, allows the club to extend its staff beyond what it can do with its own finances….

    …in the same manner that the 500k cash influx allows the club to extend its margin of safety beyond what it can do with its own finances…

    …and in the same manner that TJF is providing funds to the club beyond what it is making through normal trading.

    You’re making the point that the investment and TJF funding are handouts.  I don’t disagree.  But I argue that volunteerism is a handout - just one you happen to find more acceptable.

     

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  6. Player fund

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    30 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

    We had a Volunteer recently who looked after various aspects of Video Clips etc - through his experience gained at Thistle he got a full time job in Football 

    Fair enough.  But what about the volunteers who help provide a fresh coat of paint in the summer so we don’t have to pay maintenance people to do it?  Or the ones who help out on match days?

    I think it’s very clear that we rely to some extent on free labor where people AREN’T getting paid in work experience.

  7. Player fund

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    3 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

    Fans can gain experience that they can apply elsewhere plus they get to work as part of a Team 

    So…..you’re saying that volunteerism is not a begging bowl….because the labor isn’t 100% free….because we are paying the fans in work experience……for things like selling match programmes (trying out this UK spelling 😃) and applying a fresh coat of paint to the stairs?

    As my wife said to me when I chose Wham’s “Freedom” for my karaoke, “that seems like a reach.”

  8. Player fund

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    37 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

    100% its a legitimate way and we  worked very efficiently using Volunteers in the past - a small organisation like Thistle cannot afford a large Non Playing Staff Overhead as a % of overall budget

     

    I agree with you but also would consider volunteerism to be a “handout” of time & labor in the same way you’re considering the 500k investment to be a financial handout.

  10. Player fund

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    3 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

    If you have a Business that relies on Handouts eg USA Investor - TJF - Players Fund - you don't have a sustainable business model

    Not so sure the USA investor counts as a handout.  TJF, bit of a gray area.  Players Fund, totally a handout and a miniature, non-crisis version of Save the Jags.

    But why the sudden hatred for the Player’s Fund that has been around for years?  I personally don’t love it, as “help fund our transfer window” has a “crowdfund our new church window” feel to it, but it seems like something you’d phase out gradually - not immediately discontinue.

    Has it been stated anywhere that the intent is to keep that going long-term?  And does anyone know if it’s the ONLY source of transfer window funding Doolan will have?

  11. Player fund

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    So the 500k investment is really not meant to be spent, right?  It’s essentially an emergency fund for cash reserves?

    Does that money sit in a bank account? Does it get invested in some way so it’s making money?

  14. PTFC Trust sack Chairman …..

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    My reading is that this was an anomaly that was time-sensitive, and the benefit of circumventing the fans was outweighed by the benefit of the investment.

    As shareholders, we probably should file this one under “times the fans weren’t consulted” and keep tabs on the frequency of any future instances.

  15. Jags vs. Lichties, 23rd Sep

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    Late posting, but……I’m gonna have to take the blame for this one.  I seem to have become a jinx when I attend games in person.  But I brought some baby formula and nappies so there’s that.

    I love Thistle, but this game was a flaming sack of shite.  No creativity, drive, or purpose.  Arbroath first to every ball and every second ball.  Lost count of how many diagonal balls from Neilson to McKenzie sailed too far (and not like Zander would have known what to do with them as others have noted he’s not a right back).  Kieran should be first choice when McMillan isn’t there.  He offers more offensively than Zander does defensively at that particular position.

    Lot of fans in my area cursing at Fitzy for his constant yapping at officials.  Can’t say I blame them.  Real opportunity for him to be a leader on this team if he wants it.

    Somehow this game brought out the worst in us.  I don’t think we are world beaters but I also don’t think this game was indicative of who we are as a team.  Hope the post-match talk was a lot of tough love.

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  16. Cash Gates

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    The trend is a cashless future wherever possible and automation of lower level tasks for operational efficiency.

    I’m sure if there were an automated way to deliver pies and bovril and snacks, we’d be doing it already.

    That said, it would make sense to at least have an automated ticket kiosk to pay at the gate.

     

  17. Davie McParland

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    For real though, I can’t think of anything as appropriate as the training complex.

    Awarding the academy/young player of the year with the McParland Trophy?  I’m too American to understand his full impact, but as the OP said, if I understand it correctly it’s really something on the level of a training ground.

  19. Investment/Finances

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    Thanks for that - I had not heard that a supporter donated money to fund capital improvements.  In my mind, that was the only way some of these were going to get accomplished.

    Also, we broadly refer to this money as “investment” but that term implies the provider is getting something in return.  Is that the case here?

     

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