Springburnjag
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Personally I don’t think it’s either or but working on multiple fronts
- developing youth through our academy
- scouting young players from other clubs
- recruiting from other sources
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Funding restarts ...
https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/funding-to-thistle-weir-youth-academy-restarts/
I would have thought this is good news but Jlow is a woman and has been to academy matches so it’s bad news
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Dear oh dear .....
so anyone who knows Jlow cannot be involved at the club how inclusive .... a few people here should get a grip
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14 hours ago, laukat said:
Caldwell recruited to play 3-5-2 which to a degree explains why we only signed 3 strikers and 2 wingers. If the rumours are true on what we are paying Miller it probably explains why the backup striking options are so poor because we blew the budget on a 40 year old. In Caldwell's plan we weren't going to play wingers but wingbacks so I think he saw Cardle as an impact sub and Zanatta as the striking partner to Miller. Caldwell's system hinged on getting good wingbacks but both Robson and Williamson look well below the standard required.
McCall has improved the team and tried to get them back to playing a 4-3-3 which is the better system for this league and the majority of the good players we have but he is badly hampered by the squad.
We desperately need at least one winger (Erskine? Forest?), a centre forward (Doolan?) and a left sided centre back just to get competition for places. If we can't extend Palmer, Cole's and Kakay's loans then we'll need a right back and possibly a central midfielder or two as well now that Gordon is out for a while.
The other part of the puzzle will be getting a few out. I don't see DeVita's loan being extended. Harkins, Williamson, Robson, Jones and Mansell all look to be surplus to requirements but getting them out may proove difficult.
Before the transfer window opens we have 5 games and probably need 8 points from those to not get isolated. McCall has a bit of a job on his hands but I feel he is the man most capable of doing it.
I struggle with the doolan and erskine suggestions as to me it’s based on what they did in the past not what they could do in the future
we have Austin who may or may not ever play for us ! And jones to come back .... it would be good to see if McCall can get anything from them
but given the board statement last week I expect a few ins and outs in January
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Just now, Jordanhill Jag said:
Of course he can - but the decisions are taken by the Directors - there is a big big difference between "influence" and being responsible - if Directors let anyone take decisions apart from them then there position is untenable - they are legally accountable and responsible - anything else results in chaos ...........
Ok let’s agree we have a difference of emphasis ....only directors can make decisions at a company (formally) they can be influenced by shareholders (informally)
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1 hour ago, lady-isobel-barnett said:
Agree, but the downside being that the more we bring in the longer they will take to knit as a unit. Chances are that we'll get a player or two from a bigger club that's not been getting a game, so there's match fitness issues as well. Mind you, altho' his influence faded, Anderson made a positive impact and McDonald more or less hit the ground running.
I'm hopeful McCall will strengthen effectively. Unless we get well clear of the bottom two by January I guess the emphasis will be on quick fix players. Experience (and hopefully leadership) over potential. That in itself is a pity as there's very few current squad players showing signs of improvement. Very few indeed I want to see here past January never mind next season.
btw could be one of the new signings will have to be a goalie tho' I imagine we can get an emergency loan signing outside of the window?
Yes we can for a goalkeeper
our key failing under Archie and Caldwell was player recruitment so this clearly needs to improve ....fingers crossed !
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45 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
So you agree that the Directors and only the Directors run the Club - that No third Party - Shareholder or otherwise has any say in the Running or Decisions of PTFC as to do so would result in no one knowning who is making the decisions ?
And that all decisions should be formally minuted at Board Meetings
If you don’t think significant shareholders or shareholder groups can influence a company have a chat with Warren buffet
Don’t be silly and don’t respond by telling me things I never said !
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Interesting to hear Macall after last nights game talking about bringing in new players in January .... 2/3 or 5/6 !
the good news is that there will be changes the bad news we need as many as we can get !
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59 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:
Jordanhill Jag and Springburnjag. I think that you are both right, but arguing about subtly different points. Yes the directors have duties that need to be performed, legally and financially and they can't hide behind the decisions of Colin Weir on the execution of these “basic duties”. I can't see him involved in the health and safety or staffing of the catering, or what colour to paint the turnstiles.
However on the more strategic decisions, for example development of the City end, or running at a deficit to build a winning team, or how to implement the Fan ownership model then I do think that he will have a bigger say, despite having just the same rights as any other shareholder.
If you have ever been involved in a team trying to organise a night out for Christmas, it will be very similar. Everyone in the team has one voice, it';s just that some manage to shout louder than others.
Good point dick.....the operational issues you mention should be the responsibility of the ceo.....the board should be looking at more significant issues though they have responsibilities that they need to observe health and safety being one
but given we have a majority owner he calls the shots
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7 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
Ok so if there was a major incident at a game only Colin Weir would be responsible - the other Directors would point and say / nothing to do with us - we just do as we are told ?
See this is where people lose the reality outside Thistle World - there are rules for a reason - each Director is responsible and accountable - no matter what the shareholding %
if what you and JLS are suggesting was to be in any shape or form remotely how any Club operates then there are problems
Also what is the point of a Board of Directors if they are just going to follow instructions - why bother with a Board ?
I never said only Colin weir was responsible I said nothing significant can happen unless he agreed Which is obvious
nobody said anything about directors not having duties or responsibilities either
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7 hours ago, lady-isobel-barnett said:
But that was effectively down to Beattie and Maxwell rather than the subject of the thread.
You are correct
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1 minute ago, jlsarmy said:
Might have ended up getting Caldwell even sooner than we did .
Not good
We will never know .....but Archie getting to recruit that summer was a disaster
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21 minutes ago, ARu-Strathbungo said:
Is that why? It is just because one person doesn't like the way the discussion regarding the ownership of PTFC goes round and round in circles?
250 pages [this thread and the previous one] of discussion based on conjecture and opinion … very little of it accurate and much of it vindictive, ill-informed, petty, snide, and frankly an embarrassment to the PTFC organisation.
Can you point me to a thread on here that doesn’t have conjecture or opinion ?!
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36 minutes ago, Big Col said:
I was referring to Mr Caldwell. Credit to her for recognising time was up for Archibald but disastrous appointment in Caldwell.
Agreed but If we had got rid of Archie earlier - like spurs have done with pochittino - we might be in a biter place
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1 hour ago, Big Col said:
To try and get the thread back on track - look at tonight’ starting 11 and the bench for J Low’s legacy. A collection of duds and crocks signed by the man she employed as manager and had no intention of sacking despite him showing time and time again that he didn’t have a clue what he was doing.
Is that Archie or Caldwell or both ?
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2 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
Direction and Control of the Running of the Club are different
Absolute theoretical garbage .... literally nothing can happen at the club today if Colin weir doesn’t want it to because he has the control and sets the direction ffs
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2 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
What dont you like how its going ?
Dont need to be a Lawyer the rules for a Director are very well described and simple to follow ...........
No I think your making a t*t of yourself ....this macho desire to have the last word and go on and on and on about how right you are .... well misogyny wins out looks like
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2 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
Ok so we are clear there is a misconception on Control and for the sake of our Directors and others then I hope that they understand the difference between Majority Shareholding & Control - note the word is Majority Shareholding not Owners- s has been bounced about on Social Media
Yes at any given time the Majority Shareholders can serve notice of removal - this is a formal legal notification - recorded and served and minuted
However CONTROL of the Club is with the Directors and legally always is - all Shareholders can do is make requests - and remove the Board - they can give No instructions - they cant speak to staff - they have no input in any shape or form - they have no titles - Nada - Nothing - a Majority Shareholder has no more rights than me as a Shareholder - they just have more shares to win a Vote if it gets to that
Now if someone is taking decisions who is not a Director then the definition of a Shadow Director may come into play as covered by the Companies Act
My advice to any Director is comply with the Legislation - you are the responsible individual - something goes wrong - you will be held accountable - Health & Safety - Employment - Finances - its all on you as an individual - if by abiding by the rules your Services are no longer required - fine - you did what the Legislation required you to do and you can look yourself in the Mirror
With Title comes responsibility - Society considers responsibility of a Director that important its defined by an Act of Parliament - so rather than has been implied - its a small Company and it doesn't really matter - as a Club who prides itself in being Fair & Open then it matters a lot
Cheating isnt ok - on the Park or with anything to do with the Club - Play by the Rules - the end never justifies the means if the means dont reflect the values of the Club
Was a previous Board removed by Majority Shareholders - Yes - was it done strictly within the Rules - Yes
So you are 100% wrong regards the 55% and I think misconception is at play on multi levels
Can I make a suggestion that we close this down ? Your not a lawyer neither am I and it’s all a bit irrelevant anyway ( please don’t respond)
it would be in everyone’s interest if you me and everyone else put their energy into helping the club transition to the next stage of our development .
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46 minutes ago, jlsarmy said:
JJ , think you’ll find a people who have a 55% shareholding have the control of our Club , they’ve obviously got 55% of any vote that goes on , whether that’s the removal of a director or whatever if they thought that the BOD weren’t working in their favour , is that not how the last boardroom coup worked ?
The BOD are really at the behest of the Shareholders if it’s deemed they’re not working in their interests or the Clubs
Exactly
proving a board is not operating in the interests of all shareholders in a private company when they have 55% of the shares at least is lets say ... challenging
but I expect the club to be run as we would all expect
the only game in town now is making fan ownership work ...it seems ok at Motherwell so there is no reason why we can’t make a success if it
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8 minutes ago, allyo said:
Paul Conway is no longer relevant to the situation.
I am confused as to why anyone thought the consortium would be good for Thistle, but it no longer really matters.
What is important is that Thistle fans can come together to run the club well. That will require diligence but it will also require positivity.
I really hope that there are not attempts to undermine it before it gets a chance to start, because this will only succeed if people engage.
Anyone who seeks to discourage that engagement at this stage is, in my view, doing a huge disservice to the club.
That’s my concern .... the undermining already seems to have startered imo
the reference to Conway s professionalism I viewed as a pretty obvious barb against fan ownership
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3 minutes ago, Norgethistle said:
Your comments on board members not needing to follow company law doesn’t help
Show me my comments where I said that
first time of asking
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3 minutes ago, Norgethistle said:
No one is trying to undermine it. People just want to ensure it is set up properly with transparency and accountability. The history with The Jags Trust and even The PTFC Trust make folk jittery as to this happening. Your comments on board members not needing to follow company law doesn’t help
Can you give me evidence to support your statement that Paul Conway would bring professionalism to the club ?
third time of asking
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7 minutes ago, jaf said:
I want fans to run the club.
But you cant compare them to Conway anymore, Conway is gone.
Now the comparison has to be with good practice and standards - which is definitely what a fan run club should aspire to.
Important to note, we are not yet fan run. And also important to note, in achieving those goals people with an opinion can and should feed into the working group consultation process.
I agree with you
I just worry some people are trying to undermine that happening
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Just now, Norgethistle said:
For someone that is very up on the model and proposal being offered from TFE you don’t know who is running them
You know much more about it than I do....I just want fans to run the club you want Fred Goodwin types to own us
and nice deflection from your evidence of Conways professionalism ?
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Don’t worry someone here will soon find fault with it