Springburnjag
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2 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
Where at any point in any shape or form have I ever said that - please stop making things up
Gerry B is an employee - he carries out instructions from his employers - to try and allay blame on him is simply wrong on every level
That was what you were implying was it not in a sardonic way ?
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24 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
But Gerry Britton is an employee not a Director - he can make No Public Statements - He has No Power - He carries out Board Instructions
To try and put this on Gerry B - an Employee who simply carries out the Instructions of his employers is frankly disgraceful
How do you know what Gerry thinks or would do - he is an employee - he doesnt make the decisions
The Board take the decisions
But according to you Jlow is making every Decision in the club so what’s the point of him ?
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22 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
First there are Women in Football very well respected by Fans of all Clubs - Anne Budge & Lianne Dempsey being two
Whilst its accepted that there is massive barriers to Women in Society- to try and lump the fact that Fans had gripes with the former Chairmen was Misogyny is frankly wrong - and then use the fact that they are Men therefore guilty- is well Sexist
But its a mute argument
Beyond being a Director of 3BC Jlo has nothing to do with the Club - she isn't even a shareholder in 3BC - the legal position is that 3BC have no more rights than me as a Shareholder - we can Vote on Directors - We can Vote at the AGM - thats it
Therefore as a Shareholder you get to Vote - nothing more
Its not as though you can turn up at the Office and start speaking to Staff
Its Not as though you can be in the Directors Box or have a Title in any shape or form - there are Directors & a Company Secretary - thats it ......
Its not as if you own the Club ( even with 55% you dont Own it )
Its not as if you can attend Board Meetings - or have a say in any aspect of the Club on any level
Its not as if you can in any shape or form influence decisions outwith the AGM
Its not as if you get to meet the Manager or discuss anything to do with the Team
Your a Shareholder - and in the case of Jlo - a Director of a Company who is a Shareholder - which is one stepped removed from an actual Shareholder
So this argument over misogyny is a mute point
TFE made a very clear statement that Jlo wouldn't be involved with the Club if people supported them ( there public statement -not mine )
The briefing given to the Evening Times was very clear- she had no Official Capacity at the Club- and for clarity only those with Official Capacity can be involved in the aforementioned actions - and our Board of Directors run the Club - they make all decisions- and have Corporate Governance Responsibilities
As one of the New Board from TFE is a Lawyer - he will obviously know that - and as Ian Dodds has been a Club Director for a Number of years - he will also know that
So its a thread over nothing to be honest ...
I wish I could follow this .....
as I understand you tfe didn’t buy the club ( which is bad because they said they would and didn’t which was originally bad but now isn’t as bad )
but even though tfe didn’t buy the club they are responsible for Jacqui low ( I’m not sure if they have a tracker on her ? ?? ) because although they don’t own the club they sort of do
anyway it’s all bad especially Jacqui low and there is no such thing as misogyny ... am I following you correctly ?
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1 hour ago, Lenziejag said:
We are living in a dangerous society when you are not allowed to disagree with the current social trends without being branded discriminatory. It denies free speech.
Who said anything about not being allowed to say anything ? You can and you can be challenged on what you say
still little commentary on the job performance of our ceo
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43 minutes ago, Semi Nurainen said:
Notice, with a post like Springburn's, that there's never any attempt to address the person's record who's being criticised (which is this case is an appalling one even by the standards of the 'PR' industry), but always an attempt to divert attention and make unfounded, and unprovable, allegations about the poster.
Very similar to the tactics of Conservative Central Office ... oh, that's right I almost forgot ... that's who she'll be working for right now, alongside Boris helping to maintain England's rule in Scotland.
I could repost this on Gerry Britton and it would be true m
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42 minutes ago, Garscube Road End said:
Alternatively it doesn't make it that they hate women?
Of course but we all have unconscious bias
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24 minutes ago, Garscube Road End said:
Well. That's presumptuous tosh!
Won’t be far off the mark though.....it’s interesting to contrast a number of discussions on here with the thistle Facebook group which is a younger group ....
just because you say your not liking her has nothing to do with the fact she is a woman don’t make it so
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10 minutes ago, blakey said:
Thanks for your feedback. I would concur that most people have challenged my opinion. I don’t think I’m obsessed but just wanted to air something that was not sitting well with me. It’s certainly triggered some debate.
Yes a group of white middle aged men deny misogyny ......that’s a new one
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Thought the team Jacqui picked today was poor
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1 minute ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
There is nothing misleading in what Ive said that I can see ?
We are not party to points 2 or 3 - No one has any idea as to what changed from the original TFE Plan no have the clarified that ?
Yes they have been tasked by looking at a New Organisation and the decision on the Model will be 3BC which is there right - but its not what TFE pitched to the Fans ?
So lets just see what emerges shall we ?
Eh? Colin Weir said rather than fans contributing over time to buy the club he would buy it and gift it to us the fans.....either you don’t think that’s a change, don’t understand it or are being deliberately mischievous
I think that Colin weir has asked the trust and tfe to come up the new organization indicates he’s not going to
stop trying to stir up division
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12 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
More importantly TFE made a clear public statement that JLo wouldnt return - now for clarity "Official Capacity" doesn't need a formal title - if your part of the decision making process the the Title of "Shadow Director" is well covered by its description in the Companies Act
There is talk on Social Media of being Colin Weirs Advisor - Colin Weir is a Director - he has a Vote on the Board nothing more than that - the fact that 3BC are Majority Shareholders are irrelevant- the Board of Directors run the Club - Advisor or Directors of 3BC is nothing to do with Partick Thiste FC on any level - zero .....
As for rumours of "New Owners" - Majority Shareholders can remove the Board - they can Vote on matters at an AGM - Majority Shareholders have no formal or informal role beyond that - the Board of Directors make the decisions not Shareholders - any influence or role in decisions- then the definition of Shadow Director has a bearing
Any influence in any shape or form outwith the Board of Directors - then TFE and the Thistle Trust Directors who supported the TFE Project have to step down
This is not about Jlo - its about the fact that a Vision of Fan Ownership was pitched by TFE - that they were buying the Club
First change is 3BC bought the Club not TFE - second change 3BC will have ultimate say in the Model of Fan Ownership as the Majority Shareholder and the Vehicle thats transferring the shares ( which is a long way away from "Unconditional Financial Support from Colin Weir "
TFE and Thistle Trust both now have Two Directors each - its on them to deliver - and be very clear that they are making all decisions at the Club - between them they are the Majority on the Board - they have the Power to deliver
Obviously there are concerns regards statements on Twitter and various rumours flying about -these can be killed very quickly with short sharp statement leaving no room for dubiety from the Club - otherwise the rumours will persist and thats not healthy
Colin Weir owns the club not tfe.....have you any evidence that jlow is involved with tfe ? no you haven’t .....if Colin Weir wants to take advice from her that’s his right .....my understanding from another poster on here is that tfe are aware of the issues around her and would prefer her not involved that may be why she’s not a director
I worry about you sometimes I can’t work out if your being deliberately misleading or what....
1. tfe was set up to get money from the fans to buy the club rather than let it be sold to conway
2. THEN Colin weir comes along and says I’ll buy the club and then gift it to fan/community ownership
3. that clearly changed the original tfe plan
4. Colin weir has tasked the PTFC trust and tfe to create a NEW organization representing all fans that will receive his shareholding
4. so both tfe and the PTFC trust will disappear
you continual negativity is wearisome
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1 minute ago, Firhillista said:
Being chairman of Partick Thistle has certainly drawn some negative reactions from Jags fans in the past and it's not surprising that Jacqui Lowe's tenure is seen as a complete car crash, but I have to say I quite liked a lot of what she was about.
She made it clear that the club was open to all and that inclusiveness was at the heart of what we're about. I don't think the importance of this can be underestimated. She represented the club as what I'd like it to be - open, progressive and forward thinking. (And, yes, I know of her previous links with the Tory party, but her comments in the press and social media seem to express values not normally associated with that mind set - maybe she's changed?)
In my opinion, she made two massive mistakes - the appointment of Gary Caldwell and the 'call me Jacqui', 'my door is always open', 'I will communicate on a regular basis' approach to the job.
The Caldwell decision is definitive in explaining why she shouldn't be in an executive role at the club again. It was naive and, if rumours are true, against more knowledgeable advice. If you've not had any significant experience of a role previously, you should be listening to more experienced people around you. If you insist on doing things your way, then that indicates an ego that's going to get in the way of good management.
It's all very well to put openness and communication at the heart of what you're about, but what happens when you can't solve every problem people bring to you? What happens if what they think is a problem, you think is a good thing? What happens when there's no good news to communicate and all you've got to say, "Yup, everything is still shite"?
She did some good things, but she showed me she's not the best person for the job.
The best outcome here is for the new fans organization to take over ASAP ....we can then hopefully move forward with a relatively clean slate and new faces
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4 hours ago, jaf said:
I thought the principles of responsibility, decision making and leadership were that the buck stopped with the most senior person involved.
I didn’t realise your gender gave you a free pass from that
It does Gerry though
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1 minute ago, Norgethistle said:
That’s what I heard and also the person that conveyed the message said it came from above and outside
Jesus ?
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Just now, Norgethistle said:
No shot Sherlock
Needs an edit
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4 minutes ago, jlsarmy said:
Was our CEO not part of the interview process in the first place ?
Indeed he was
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2 minutes ago, Auld Jag said:
I don't think many if any would want Caldwell back. This has nothing to do with his gender, but that his performance as manager was very poor. I would suggest that this is the same with any job at our club. They do well if they left in a good manner and came back they would be welcomed. They did poor and left i don't think they would be welcomed back.
Caldwell went because his performance was poor , Gerry gets a free pass
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4 minutes ago, jlsarmy said:
Don’t think Gerry gets off scot free , he’s been the common denominator in lots of questionable decisions, Premier League staffing after we got relegated, kids go free , Hospitality and Sponsorship after Ross Quaile got binned , Kris Doolan leaving the Club and of course our favourite Gary Caldwell
The only thing that’s debatable is how much influence he actually has
It’s worth thinking about why there hasn’t been a thread on his very poor performance as ceo .....
Jacqui Low
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Ok you think tfe buying the club is bad
I supported from the sidelines and didn’t do so on the basis you said so you need to amend your generalisation ....like the vast majority of thistle fans I’m happy .... your not