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1 hour ago, Norgethistle said:
We should have set up identically to how we did Vs QoS, our best performance this season, but no we go defensive against an out of form team and we get the result we deserved
No that wasn't the point you were making at all.
You started off by replying to me effectively criticising the manager for dropping Erskine. Now that it's been pointed out to you that he was struggling with an injury you're now criticising the manager for taking steps to try and resolve our poor away form.
You do see how that looks don't you?
A much better look would have been to hold your hands up and acknowledge you weren't aware he was injured, when you made your original point.
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53 minutes ago, Metz said:
Ok I agree not the only reason care to let us in to your thoughts rather than be pedantic about others?
My thoughts are that we went 5 at the back because we get beat away from home. Be that through individual errors or collective mistakes. An quick way to resolve that would be to put an extra body in there for 90 minutes. Get away with a clean sheet and try and increase the confidence that's been erroded away.
My pedantry was based on the fact that there's a quite obvious amount of scapegoating going on regards Elliott. It's actually disgusting to read at times. Some of the crap getting posted on here is getting ridiculous, fueled by sweeping generalisations and complete nonsense. Some folk seem to have an agenda or a lack of understanding of the game. Which is worrying, when they pay money to watch it.
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50 minutes ago, Metz said:
Not the only reason but certainly part of the thinking. Your view on why we changed?
You originally said that was why we went to a back three. You didn't say... one of the reasons we went to a back three was.
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2 hours ago, Pinhead said:
you can be the first volunteer
No thanks. Done enough in my time. No time now.
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18 minutes ago, Norgethistle said:
The whole team was shite (again) on Friday
So are you saying he should have started? I'm not sure what the point is you're making.
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13 minutes ago, Norgethistle said:
Yet we bench him for the next game
And he was shite when he came off the bench.
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13 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said:
... what though!?
At this rate by the time we hear anything Christie Elliott will be getting his testimonial...
Yup, disappointing that no fans have stepped up to form a Testimonial Comitee.
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20 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said:
Or, you know, Doolan, Erskine, Lindsay, Welsh and Elliott all having excellent seasons and Lawless being good with assists? It’s not like I haven’t acknowledged Cerny was a stand-out and credited Archie for signing him?
Beyond that, though, and possibly a solid 2/3 of a season from Osman, though, the players Archie *recruited* didn’t do a job above and beyond what our promoted side was capable of. His success was in development and finding players that didn’t disrupt the team’s existing system, with which they were all familiar.
Archie’s success was not based on building a team. It was based on filling gaps and working with what he had.
Those are admirable qualities in a manager and it got us to a good place. But let’s not pretend those skills have served him well for 18 months.
You tell me how many assists Lawless had that season. Because 3 league goals for an attacking midfielder/winger is a stinking return.
You don't think Keown in his first season where we finished top 6 was a step up from Muirhead?
You think the fans got it wrong naming Barton Player of the Year?
Can you tell me how you define "building a team" and how it differs from working with what you have and filling the gaps?
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3 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said:
It really isn’t.
I am willing to credit Archie for developing players like Lindsay, getting the best out of Elliott, bringing in some solid and quality players in the first couple of seasons of the Premier.
But very few of his “quality signings” were actually in the top six team. That’s not a criticism; it’s just a fact. The Higginbothams, Taylors, Buabens... they’d been and gone. He signed some decent like for like replacements from the promotion team. But they weren’t players that made us especially more top six quality than that which they replaced.
"Safe to say our improvement in the Premiership was in a very big way down to the improvement of players already at the club. Cerny aside I don’t think we can attribute much of it to Archibald’s recruitment."
"Doolan, Elliott, Lindsay, Welsh, Bannigan, Lawless, Scully. With Erskine having left then returned"
so, if it wasn't down to the recruitment. Was it down to lawless and his massive goal haul of 3? Maybe Banzo and his total appearances of zero? Maybe it's down to Scully?
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1 minute ago, Yellow & Redneck said:
Most fans who saw this coming have been calling for his head for over a year. Not because he just lost "a game."
I didn't say they were calling for him to be sacked "because" we lost a game.
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26 minutes ago, MonehJags said:
If Mr Clarke hadnt been appointed they might have been a championship team.
Our persistence with Archie has got us where we are.
So be it. That's life. We've stuck with him. So maybe some of our fans should stop acting like spoiled children and calling for him to be sacked if we lose a game. Then fckin disappear when we win one. It's not a good look.
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2 minutes ago, MonehJags said:
All you need to do is compare the fortunes of us and Kilmarnock. Steve Clarke has near enough won more games in a year than Archie did in 5. Kilmarnock were going nowhere fast but he has instilled a winning mentality. His side have already beat aberdeen and celtic this year, we can boast 2 points against the old firm in 5 year, when celtic and rangers were arguably shite
Mate you need to move on and stop comparing us to better teams in a higher league. We're a Championship team again. Suck it up.
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On reflection, im still trying to work out what that formation was. 5 at the back. Fine, I get that and agree with why we did it.
But, we then set up with two defensive midfielders. Ok, really cautious! That 8 players behind the ball who aren't going to be involved in a counter attack. Unless Elliott and Penrice were the counter attackers? I saw very little evidence of that. In fact I don't think both went up the park at the same time, once, during the game to stretch Dunfermline. If Elliott went up, Keown shuffled across to right back. If Penrice went up, McGinty shuffled over to left back. Nothing new, a tactic Archie had used before, but against far better opposition.
When you play 3 at the back, more often than not, one of them is a ball player, an Irons or a Patterson. We don't have that. So to start every move, Banzo and Slater had to drop into the three to pick up the ball. Exactly the same tactic we use in a back 4. So straight away we were using a similar style, but eliminitating one forward passing option, because a jersey was being used in a back 3. Added to that, I have never seen us want to get the ball the fck away from our goals so quickly. Practically every clearance was a hoof. And the majority were miss hit. High into the sky, coming down 20 yards up the park.
To a degree it worked. In no small part due to the fact that Dunfermline are absolute manure! 11 or 12 corners we gave them. Did one find a Pars player? I don't think any did.
Where I got pissed off was In front of Banzo and Slater. We weren't playing 3 across the front. Spittal was too deep. He was the link up man. But it wasn't a 5212 because and this is where I get really ****** off. Storey provided absolutely no support for Doolan. Nothing!!! He sat on that fckin touchline playing his usual game in a 4231. My mate described him as a loan wolf. It sums Storey up perfectly. I'd love to know what he was doing out there. What was the game plan. He should have been central. Elliott and Penrice overlapping in tandem with Doolan, Spittal and Storey as their targets. It happened once in the first half. That was it. Elliott overlapped onto a through ball from Spittal. He put in a front post cross but no one attacked the space.
We sat and played the ball across a back 5 all night. Dunfermline never closed us down. So why not sacrifice a defender for Erskine at half time and play the ball across a back four, but with an extra option in front of you. We were more interested in battling our own deficiencies, then attacking Dunfermlines. Ironically, Erskine came on and was shite.
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1 hour ago, Woodstock Jag said:
Doolan, Elliott, Lindsay, Welsh, Bannigan, Lawless, Scully. With Erskine having left then returned.
Which considering the typical turnover of any team over the course over four years is “quite a lot”, I’d say.
In that time Archie basically replaced (starting eleven recruitment wise) Fox with Cerny (decent), O’Donnell with Dumbuya (sigh...), Taylor-Sinclair with Booth (shrug), Balatoni with Keown (solid enough), himself with Devine (boak), Paul Paton with Osman (solid enough I guess), Forbes with Fraser (flop), Craigan with Edwards (*shrug*), and Son of Joe with... Ade Azeez?
Safe to say our improvement in the Premiership was in a very big way down to the improvement of players already at the club. Cerny aside I don’t think we can attribute much of it to Archibald’s recruitment.
Absolute rubbish.
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On 9/28/2018 at 11:36 PM, Metz said:
After tonight how are you feeling about your opinion. How many games is he going to cost us before you wake up?
We even went to a back 3 to stop him from giving away a goal and still he f****d it up.
We went to a back 3 because of Elliott? Ok
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16 hours ago, Woodstock Jag said:
Why hasn’t there been any chat about him getting a testimonial? He’s just over 3 months from the 10 year mark.
Have any fans set up a Testimonial Committee, to organise this?
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5 minutes ago, jlsarmy said:
I/We’ve no idea what went on before that whether it was verbals or whatever , but Scott Brown has made a career out of being confrontational and in your face .
Remember this is the guy who put Harry Cochrane out the game for 3 months , basically because the youngster had bossed him the previous game, Storer’s tackle wasn’t even remotely at that level .
Or nothing went on before it?
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23 minutes ago, jlsarmy said:
Can’t believe the stick Jack Storer is getting for one tackle especially on a player who has made a career out of being confrontational and also has dished it out , maybe Jack Storer got pissed off with Scott Brown trying to referee the game as well and decided enough was enough . One of the problems we’ve got with the team just now is we’re a soft touch , there’s no Charnley , Hardie , Lennon or Albert Craig to win tackles or even to get involved in the physical side of the game.
Provided Storer listens to the senior pros round about him to remind he’s got to channel his aggression and stay on the park, I don’t see what the problem is or would you prefer our players just to sit back and admire the footballing abilities of better players and better teams .
Don’t think that’s the way it works in football , it’s a battle physically to try and win the game and the best teams have always had someone who takes the rules to the limit whether that’s a Roy Keane or a Ramos at Real Madrid.
Storer has got a lot to learn but there is ability there .
How much stick? 1 person having a conversation over 3 or 4 posts. That's hardly any stick. Who he fouled has no relevance. If he'd done the same to someone you like, would you have less of an opinion of him? That says more about you, sadly.
As I said, I have no issue with tough tackling. I loved watching Hugh Murray in the middle of the park. Very much on the Roy Keane mould. I called for us to be making moves for Paton during the close season.
Again, I haven't said I don't want out players to tackle. So no idea why you assume I think they should just stand back and admire the opposition.
Again, no problem having someone who takes the rules to the limit. If you think a snide stamp on someone's ankle that could end their career is taking it to the limit, I'd rather watch a different game.
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7 minutes ago, jlsarmy said:
Can’t believe the stick Jack Storer is getting for one tackle especially on a player who has made a career out of being confrontational and also has dished it out , maybe Jack Storer got pissed off with Scott Brown trying to referee the game as well and decided enough was enough . One of the problems we’ve got with the team just now is we’re a soft touch , there’s no Charnley , Hardie , Lennon or Albert Craig to win tackles or even to get involved in the physical side of the game.
Provided Storer listens to the senior pros round about him to remind he’s got to channel his aggression and stay on the park, I don’t see what the problem is or would you prefer our players just to sit back and admire the footballing abilities of better players and better teams .
Don’t think that’s the way it works in football , it’s a battle physically to try and win the game and the best teams have always had someone who takes the rules to the limit whether that’s a Roy Keane or a Ramos at Real Madrid.
Storer has got a lot to learn but there is ability there .
It's almost like you completely ignored everything I said. Which is a shame.
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27 minutes ago, MonehJags said:
Aye, he played a blinder against QOS
His last game he did play, im pretty sure the post match comments on here were that he'd had a shite game.
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1 hour ago, lady-isobel-barnett said:
Win, lose or draw every fan is entitled to hear/read the manager's post match comments. The day you have to pay (cost of newspaper and Beeb license fee aside) for that it's time to chuck it. A subscription based service can offer a more in depth interview with manager, players, whoever, which adds value to the subscription. I assume that's what you mean, PT.
Not denying every fan should have access to the managers comments. And the club provide that via written form, free to read, on the website.
What seems to have been raised regularly this season, is that, when we have been beaten, the post match Jagzone video interview should be free to view. No one who has this opinion has been able to suggest why this is the case, how subscribers should be compensated or how much they should be compensated.
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40 minutes ago, Lambies Lost Doo said:
Was not the best tackle but at least he took on Brown during that game. Good player. Great potential.
I'd rather Thistle players take on Brown the way previous ones have done successfully, like Erskine, or to his credit Edwards. I wouldn't suggest in any way possible that Storer took Brown on, in that game.
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1 hour ago, Lenziejag said:
Maybe, but he isn’t the 1st and won’t be the last player to do it - even players who are lauded for their hard tackling.
Nope, equally I saw John Robertson deliberately stamp on an opposition player. Regardless of the regularity, doesn't mean I should be any more accepting of it.
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Great news for him and the club.
At least it's given something for the trolls to post about, must have been a tough weekend for them, having to sit through the text commentary as we recorded another win.
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Dunfermline away.
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At home, yes. We are quite a few of these things.