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1 hour ago, Norgethistle said:
As a club, and a support, is the biggest thing holding us back is we spend more effort celebrating the past, than creating a future?
Speaking to my Dad last night and mentioned the 50 and 100 year anniversary of winning cups, and he mentioned prior to 71 there was no celebration of us getting close to 50 years of not winning the Scottish cup, more a frustration or embarrassment we hadn’t in this period (although the club was making finals).
Not detracting from the win, we are celebrating not being in a major final for 50 years, not winning a league cup in 50 years, not being in a real European competition for 50 years and not winning the Scottish cup for a century.
Add to that the notion of ex players getting senior positions in the club, not for what they bring but more for who they were.
A lot of what you say makes sense, but there is no doubt that the 1971 cup win, in particular, is a historically outstanding sporting achievement which we should be very proud of (not that I was alive at the time). 4-0 up at half time ("what a sensation!" was certainly apt)...it's not far off being akin to, for example, Leicester City's recent league championship. I don't think PTFC has ever been over the top about it. Compare for example with how much Celtic harp on about "Lisbon Lions" - setting off their camera phones etc...while solitary, the Scottish Cup isn't to be sniffed at either, Hibs for example went 116 years (I think?) without winning another one...
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3 minutes ago, Norgethistle said:
Look for the common denominator through this period.
An astute point.
Parallels with the Dick Campbell period are interesting. We finished 4th in the - then - Second Division (Campbell having relegated us the previous season with still the worst Thistle team I've ever seen) and scraped through via the play-offs. Mark Roberts dragged us there almost single-handedly. There were some horrible results to endure in that season, if I remember, pumped at Firhill by Gretna, Stirling Albion and so on...
The team we have this season, in my opinion, is better than what Dick Campbell assembled that season - which was also full time.
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39 minutes ago, jaggy said:
And to make matters worse Falkirk lose
How does this make matters worse? Win next week (which we are certainly capable of, and indeed should have beaten Falkirk in the previous game), and it's a 3 point gap with 17 games to play.
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Peterhead scored from our mistake and then as our play became more desperate in the second half they knew that they had us figured out. Never beaten them in a league game, apparently.
Don't think we have enough to win this league but would be very disappointed if we are not in a play off (which I think we could win, given the standard of Championship), and then McCall would leave, I think.
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14 hours ago, CotterJag said:
Totally agree.
Could hardly believe we kept him and Bannigan after their injuries and got rid of Welsh.
Baffled to this day about that one.
Sean Welsh was very frequently injured during his time at PTFC (always out for "6 weeks" at a time) and to me often looked quite tentative in midfield when he did return to play. He did have a number of good performances for us however.
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We were successful in - probably - the most important shootout in our history - at Peterhead.
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54 minutes ago, Big Col said:
Wow - a shitey 1-0 win against a mighty giant of Scottish football.
Away to crack open the champagne.
If you want us to get back up the leagues you'll have to start enjoying them...
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4 minutes ago, Garscube Road End 2 said:
His job is secure.
When does it become insecure?
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3 minutes ago, CotterJag said:
Thistle look good enough to win this.
We are easy to beat. All you have to do is wait for us to make a mistake.
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10 minutes ago, Jag36 said:
What's your actual problem with the chairwoman? Give me some actual reasons? Backing managers in the transfer market, appointing a manager with a good track record that the majority of fans were behind, I think McCall's times up but the demise is not the chairwomans fault. To be honest it all began around the time Maxwell left. Blame the players, full time in a part time league, and the old pals act management team, but from what I can see the ' chairwoman' has provided funds, backed managers and has thistle at heart and is way down the list of people to blame for the club's current position
Problems start at the top. I'm not convinced that our Chair has an awareness that the primary aim of a professional football club is the first team winning football matches.
Besides, were we not told explicitly that Jacqui Low was not going to be involved with running the club?
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11 minutes ago, Harrybriscoe said:
Hang your heads in shame Ian McCall and Alan Archibald. By all accounts we turned out the same insipid sh*te today that we've had to endure the last three years and that's just not acceptable anymore.
Patience has rightly already worn thin among the Thistle support (who have stuck by the club manfully over the last few years - I just noticed the Gofundme is at £57,000). There won't be much stomach for many more performances like that today.
If current management and players can't achieve results quickly - they will have to move on.
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5 minutes ago, ironfist said:
Let’s be honest - that is a terrible start to the season. McCall doesn’t have much longer to prove himself for me.
Caldwell got 5 games last season. A shorter season this year, he has half a dozen games to prove his worth, that's it. He has to be under pressure already.
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OK Woodstock Jag, we get it, you're a lawyer. Your opinion is we won't win. However, some other lawyers (who I suspect are more experienced than you) think it's worth proceeding with this. Perhaps you are deliberately being pessimistic so we won't be too disappointed if Thistle lose the case.
As for the goodwill argument - I for one am not interested. We are well past any goodwill or warm wishes from any other club being of value to us. This is competitive sport and we need to try to protect out interests.
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15 minutes ago, fenski said:
The best way of avoiding relegation now is league reconstruction. The best way of ensuring this goes in our favour is not to make enemies by taking this to court. The best way of getting relegated and to spend money we don't have is to go to court.
It's not just about moral high ground. It's about minimising risk no matter how hard that is to swallow.
I think you're right. And I don't think the story is finished yet.
Balance of risk now I think is to wait and see on reconstruction. Our interests seem to coincide with Hearts and Sevco and I don't think they are finished with this. By contrast, in 2004 we were completely on our own.
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16 minutes ago, JAG1970 said:
1. Take legal action, hold up the payments to all the clubs, alienate them and maybe sink any chance of reconstruction in our favour, cost us money we can’t afford and likely fail and end up in a lower division.... ?
2. Or hope for favourable league reconstruction and keep our cash. Hearts have indicated a willingness to assist.
3. Worst case no favourable reconstruction. Still before off than 1.
Id gamble on 2.
My first thoughts as well on reading the club statement.
Out interests appear to coincide with those of Hearts and Rangers who have more power to wield than our solo legal attempt.
Rangers will push for some null and void. Hearts for reconstruction. Both could have saved Thistle from relegation before our court case ends up on any other lawyer's desk.
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Difficult decision now for Thistle to balance up.
Continue to challenge the resolution vote and it could be re-run - and pass straight away as yes.
Bide time and league reconstruction with no relegation may happen.
No idea what the best thing for our interests is now!
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Why would you have any need to send a message saying "please don't count our vote" if you hadn't sent in any vote? Dundee have known that their 'No' vote was cast and were trying, in a very devious way, to seize an opportunity.
This all needs an independent group of lawyers to go through the timeline of events. Which is what Sevco seem to have suggested - and they are right.
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6 minutes ago, JeanieD said:
With regard to earlier comments made about, and by, Forfar Athletic it might be worth remembering that in our hour of most desperate need Forfar were remarkably understanding. Without that understanding we might not have had a club to support nor would we be gnashing our teeth over their imminent relegation.
What's the detail of this? Thanks.
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1 hour ago, e4b said:
The club must oppose these pernicious proposals by all means available to them. Having played less games than those above us, and being only two points behind QOS, then relegation would fly in the face of any principle of “sporting integrity”. We all know from our disgraceful relegation in 2004 that the Scottish football authorities will lie and cheat when required , and are not to be trusted. The present board will be judged in the coming weeks and months by their actions in defence of the club.
The injustice of 2004 pales in comparison to this proposal.
Thistle will be seen as a soft touch and easier to disadvantage than Hearts, Celtic, Dundee Utd.
I'd almost rather watch Thistle play non-league in Ruchill Park than accept this...
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9 hours ago, Emsca said:
No the authorities will be concentrating on :-
1) Making sure Celtic are crowned champions so that the 9/10 in a row saga is prolonged.
2) Any solution maintains the maximum number of OF games.
3) Hearts and Dundee Untd are playing in the top division .
Sporting integrity , fairness , what is just etc will come way down the list after making sure firstly that the Ugly sisters then the TV companies are on board with what is agreed.
The cynic in me agrees with you. In terms of sporting fairness, to me the only 2 options are void the whole season or restart it from it's current point whenever football can be played again. Coincidentally I think both these options would be in Thistle's favour.
To have Hearts and Dundee Utd in the top flight they would need to have league reconstruction with no relegation. Ultimately I think this would work in Thistle's favour too with no relegation from the Championship.
My gut feeling is that with all the most likely options, we won't be relegated. Which I think also happens to be fair.
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3 hours ago, Lenziejag said:
The season is 36 games in this league and that is what every club should be judged on.
last season it took us to the last game to stay in the league.
If we go down we go down. If we stay up it isn’t an embarrassment at least not to me.Spot on. Football matches are played until a final whistle. Seasons are played until the end of the final match. Thistle being condemned as relegated right now would be a sporting disgrace. I'd he happy to financially support PTFC specifically in the future but would find it difficult to support Scottish football in any form if this happens.
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39 minutes ago, Auld Jag said:
According to the pundits on radio Scotland, Hearts fans are saying they don't want to be saved from relegation by default. If the season is finished now, they accept they will be relegated.
I would find it difficult to believe that sporting integrity had been upheld if Thistle were relegated with a quarter of the season to play and winning just a single game in hand would have us off the bottom. There is no precedent for that.
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Absolutely nothing going right.
Think we're down to be honest.
And we deserve it.
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3 minutes ago, its4nothing! said:
Looking Grim. But the way things have been the last couple of years, it would have been a miracle to turn around. Is it the mentality of the players, is it the Management Team or both that has got us into this mess?
Disorder at an organisation starts at the top. Bad leadership at the top filters down to poor performance and outcomes at the bottom.
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Falkirk v Thistle Boxing Day
in Main Jags forum
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I have never seen a straight red card for dissent, or for abusive language. An absolute rarity. Rudden didn't throw a ball away, run up to referee a la Ferguson-era Man Utd...I think he was very unfortunate. And had played quite well prior to that. Do we think that referee would have done the same to, for example, Scott Brown? I'm not convinced...