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Plenty of charlatan managers have also contrived to not get relegated at this level.
The target we have to meet is to finish 8th. Nothing more. Overtake a part-time Alloa side and stay ahead of what Falkirk fans describe as their worst ever team. Despite the bullshit eminating from the club, Caldwell will know this and that he is scrambling to save his career.
In all likelihood it would be worse to sack him right now as it would completely disrupt the chance to bring in any players in the transfer window. He is homing in on the worst Thistle managerial record of all time, however (Gerry Collins was at a higher level).
If things aren't better in the next 4-5 games maximum, he should be sacked. The Thistle support should be vocal and demonstrative in this. There has to be accountability at the club for the shambles we have been humiliated with this season. We may then only be in a position to have Doolan or another as caretaker manager to end of season, but it's another desperate step which could save us.
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1 hour ago, scotty said:
FFS when will folk get it into their heads that Colin Weir has said all along that he will not directly finance PTFC. He is building a training centre as part of his support for community football and if Thistle don't want to, or can't afford to use it then I'm sure he will be quite happy for it to be used by the Weir Acadamy or even the women's team.
I don't get this attutude of football fans that if someone has money they have a duty to finance the club they support.
It appears that they have personally financed the club in a number of not-fully public-ways though? Colin Weir has a stand named after him after all...
The priority of PTFC is the results of the mens first team. This is what the supporter community is based on. I think if many of us won £161 million and were planning on making commitments to Thistle, this would also be our priority.
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5 hours ago, topcat said:
I don,t wish to ask the Weirs to contribute more but is there a small case for a little of the new Academy money to be diverted to the players fund for this Transfer window and get some fresh blood in to save our season.
If we were to be relegated to the first then the Academy would struggle to be as attractive for signing youngsters. Just a thought.
What assets has the Weir Academy provided us? Jack Hendry, that's it? Just think what those £4 million could have done if invested straight in the playing squad budget/scouting/signing promising youth players from elsewhere on long contracts and then selling them on...
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1 hour ago, allyo said:
Reckon Archibald got 38 points from 16 championship games, which was incredible (particularly as any dropped points were getting us over the line, or after the title had been sealed).
A draw in his first premier game would take us to 39 in 17.
Alan Archibald of course inherited the outstanding squad of players of the last 15 years with a settled line-up and style of play.
His attempts to create a competitive squad of players for this season have shown he was utimately not a good manager.
17 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:I would say more that I know the type of Board he is comfortable working with- and that he is close freinds with Archie
I personally think that Ian McCall is a wily character who will do whatever suits him whenever it suits him.
I don't think Ayr will get promoted this season (overperforming with the likes of Kerr, Adams and McDaid, which is pretty impressive), which will probably be their only chance in a generation and then their better players, including Shankland, will be sold. It's possible he will decide he wants back to Thistle.
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2 hours ago, Auld Jag said:
Imo no. Who is going to want to sign for a club in free fall. A new manager who has only 1 win from his first 10games. The only players we will get are they one's no other team wants. I have been wrong before and I hope I am wrong this time.
It isn't as bleak as that. We may be able to pay better wages than a lot of other teams in this league, which is the most important thing in attracting players (which is why wealthy clubs win trophies). We were in the top flight last season, for what it's worth, so have at least been associated with top flight football recently. We have the biggest fan base in the league outwith Dundee United (probably equivalent to Falkirk/Dunfermline). We are located well in central Scotland.
What I'm more concerned about, based on his first 10 games in charge, is Gary Caldwell's ability to competently manage any new signings.
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On 12/23/2018 at 10:03 PM, AndyMac said:
We were mid table when Archie got sacked. We are now second bottom.
We were 8th
On 12/23/2018 at 10:20 PM, AndyMac said:We were in no real danger of relegation, nevertheless we sacked our long term manager mid season, with not one single replacement lined up.
I would disagree with this. There was only one direction Archibald's side were going.
Rebuilding the squad over the close season was beyond Archibald. Not that surprising, given that his player recruitment was always dreadful. He either signed crocks or picked players off Instagram.
In fairness to Jacqui Low, Caldwell had a CV which included a successful playing career and winning League 1 as manager with Wigan. And people who impress at job interviews get jobs. It's why job interviews are held. I don't believe that there any other excellent candidates. If she has protected the club by having probationary/performance-based clauses in Caldwell's contract she can reasonably argue that she has done her job well.
Caldwell's managerial career looks like it will be over at the age of 36, with probably only Gerry Collins with a worse record as Thistle manager.
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The academy doesn't pay a dividend on the millions thrown into and never will.
Personally, I would have spent every penny of the academy money on the first team playing budget. I don't think the Weirs ever gave that option though.
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1 hour ago, Semi Nurainen said:
The overwhelming implication was that he is/was a fud as a manager, hence the comment about being better off with Archie..
The bit about his playing career was really to point up the irony of him as a hoofer trying to get them play the ball out from the back.
Otherwise I think we're all agreed about his (apparently continuing) record of managerial failure.
His record at Chesterfield was awful. But winning League 1 with Wigan and League 1 Manager of the Year would have been an impressive CV for a young manager applying for the Scottish second-tier Thistle job. I don’t think we should kid ourselves that there was a host of other candidates with outstanding CVs.
Also, I don’t think anyone has actually stated that Caldwell has ever used Microsoft Powerpoint at any point, but here we all are talking about it (was also mentioned on Off the Ball recently as well).
Celtic fans don’t seem to like him. Celtic fans however don’t know much about Thistle, or football in general in fact, or have much self-awareness. They just like people who are ‘Sellick-minded’, which isn’t a diverse group.
I for one would be absolutely delighted for Gary Caldwell to be a resounding success as Thistle manager.
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17 hours ago, AndyMac said:
Hmmm.....good question.
First off, you have to put yourself in the crazy mixed up minds of the people who gave Gary the job in the first instance. What do they see in him that nobody else does? Is it his record, two relegation in the past two years? Is it his ambition, aiming high and going for the Scotland job? What exactly is it, that they see, in this most wooden of character actors?
I think it will probably go along the lines off "two games undefeated" "four points out of six" "light at the end of the tunnel" etc etc.
I don't wish anyone any ill and everyone has to earn a crust. Nevertheless, I truly believe that the people running our club made the wrong call in hiring Gary Caldwell.
They should've sent for Jim Goodwin. He would have sorted us out.
“Two relegations in the last 2 years” - this isn’t true.
Jim Goodwin is inexperienced. I’m not convinced he would have been the right fit. He could have been appointed, played ultra-defensive, had the same record as Caldwell to date, and the board would have been pilloried as well.
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Selling 2 tickets at face value for A Perfect Circle Sun 2 Dec 02 Academy, send PM if interested.
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9 hours ago, kevin energy said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9DgrzlFHDg
Fast forward to nearly 20 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arn45vCbMao
Gerry Collins Interview, they talk to Darren Dodds the former Bechin City Manager then Gerry Collins starts to tell alot of what he used to do at Firhill and his views on Archie and the current team, very interesting what are everybodys views after hearing all of this.
Fast Forward to 1 hour 3 mins
I disagree with just about everything said in the clips.
Alan Archibald’s recruitment is described as great. It wasn’t. The best players during his management were all signed by someone else.
’Budget’ is repeatedly given as an excuse on Archibald’s behalf, without any actual figures or comparisons provided. If we were able to see specific figures which proved that Alan Archibald’s playing budgets were less than those of our competitors then it may well be a valid excuse for failings on the pitch. However, we have previously seen some numbers to the contrary, if I’m not mistaken?
And some tedious ‘soft spot’ and ‘second team’ fluff by someone who probably hasn’t been at Firhill in the last 5 years.
Then some vague nonsense from Collins and presenter about ‘community’ and ‘family’. The club is more likely to succeed if those who are not performing to the highest standard they can achieve are moved on. If the Weirs are doing that then I think we should be supportive of it.
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2 hours ago, avie-man said:
I know Ray McKinnon will bring in proven players at this level.
How do you know this? I don’t think Ray MacKinnon has been a particularly successful manager previously.
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54 minutes ago, javeajag said:
we are still targeting promotion and we have a cunning plan well that’s the plan till it’s mathematically not possible at which point I assume it’s not the plan.
Was this delusion peddled without even a raised eyebrow?
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1 hour ago, Z88 said:
Much much better. More direct, better movement, more energy, better football and better performances from several including Storey and Spittal (rubbish pen and missed chance though). Should have won.
Still lost though. 7 defeats in a row, overtaken by Alloa to sit second bottom of the second tier. All this from a board of directors whose stated aim was promotion from this division this season. If Caldwell can’t sort it out, try again to find someone else who can. He should be sacked if we are bottom 2 in February, after the much-hyped transfer window (we really need to sign 4-5 new players) - after which his managerial career would be finished.
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Sad days when we all assume we are getting pumped off Ayr United at Firhill.
Start Coulibaly and Quitongo. Attack from the off and we’ll win.
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3 hours ago, AndyMac said:
I don't know what kind of money Jim Goodwin's on at the moment but his other job is a sales rep for a confectionery firm.
I think he may have been waiting for this job, as you say it's one of the best in Scottish football. Goodwin's not daft he knows that he wouldn't get much time at the likes of St Mirren. I don't believe that Goodwin would be necessarily an overnight success, nevertheless, the amount of time that he would be afforded by Thistle and the huge potential of the club will bring him in.
When we were talking about the ideal type of manager for Thistle on a thread a little time ago; Goodwin was the one name I had in mind. I may be wrong, but in my mind I have absolutely no doubt that he is the best man for the job.
Thanks for stopping by, Jim
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36 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:
Pressley has just been sacked by his Cypriot club, so he would be available
What would people think about Murty ? I think that he was harshly treated by them from south of the river
I think Murty is probably quite a capable manager, despite managing Sevco I don’t think he is one of these nauseating “Big Rangers Men” like McCoist etc. PTFC support would be much more benign towards him of course.
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2 minutes ago, Big Col said:
Why should we wait till Christmas? It's patently obvious that he has assembled a poor squad again and can't even get a result against East Fife. Our 2 league wins have come against the poorest Falkirk team for years and a team who lost their manager on the eve of the game. Ayr battered us as did Dundee Utd. There is no plausible reason for keeping him on other than blind faith from his fan club who would still cheer for him even if we ended up in League 2.
I wanted Archibald gone throughout last season, and also after the Livingston play off.
We could end with a very bad candidate at this point in time though.
Perhaps not wait till Christmas then, but probably another 1-2 months.
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Wasn’t at the game today, has an Archibald side ever looked that interested in any form of cup game though? Embarrassing, yes, but we should be far more interested in our league form in the coming months.
The time for him to go was Christmas last year, he saved his skin with a couple of good results at that time and the gamble was taken to keep him on. He also could have gone after the play-off.
There’s a real managerial carousel happening in Scottish football currently which it may be best not to be caught up in.
If we aren’t challenging near the top of the league at Christmas this year he should be gone. He doesn’t seem to get the best out of players.
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3 hours ago, macaroon said:
I have to say that despite all the gloom there's been some fine posts not least this one from Lambies Lost Doo, captures a lot of my thoughts on a difficult Monday. The last paragraph is quite inspiring. Also. thankfully, the discussions generally have been measured.... so far.
This feels worse than the play-off defeat 20+ years at Tannadice. Whatever we think of them Dundee Utd had a good team, they are a club with a European pedigree and have a large support. Compare and contrast with Livi……..
I have to sadly agree that Archie has to move on, a really decent and likable bloke but time for a new chapter for Thistle.
Let's face it, Sunday was humiliating. Livingston are often described as a club with minimal history, poor support, unpassionate support. I was looking for an authoritative, dominant home performance from Thistle as a club with a long, proud history in Scottish football. It was insipid.
Alan Archibald has been given a level of sycophancy from a section of the support that no other Thistle manager has had. This is solely due to the fact that he was a popular player of a number of seasons in a successful team. People really need to admit that this is the case, and also admit that this has led to a high level of subjectivity when assessing his teams' performances and results. Just because you'd really like a manager to be good because he was a popular former player, doesn't mean that he actually is.
There have been some great results, I won't deny it. The Championship winning season was a fantastic time. It's unclear whether this would have all happened anyway with McNamara in charge - there is a good chance it would have. In the top flight, most memorably for me, Hearts 4-2, Kilmarnock 2-0, Dundee United 1-0. However, these have been balanced towards an overall negative with the extraordinary number of late goals lost over the last 5 seasons, and just about every performance this season. In particular, late goals against the Old Firm. These are important games for Thistle fans. People remember how they feel more than they remember league placings.
To me, the point of competitive, professional sport should be to constantly striving to acheive as much as possible. However, not everyone involved with PTFC has that attitude as they shrug their shoulders and see failure as just what happens to Thistle. I would like a manager who wants to win every game of football his team plays. I will remember Archibald's top flight teams as permanently fragile.
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OK everyone.
I’ve been wanting Archie out for quite some time. I’m sick of his tenure.
Whether you agree with me or not, however, one thing is for sure - we all want Thistle to win on Saturday.
Which we can. The Jags can beat anyone (we don’t fear anyone - anytime, anywhere) and our support is, and always has been, absolutely second to none.
We all want Thistle to stay up and we still have the chance to to it.
Everyone who can, get to Dundee on Saturday to cheer on the club we all love. C’mon the Jags.
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1 hour ago, Winter of '63 said:
My half-time text report to a Thistle Fan in England read - Even Game- Dopey Goal - Osman having a nightmare - we just need a lucky break - don't think we will get it.
I can recall truly awful performances (both 0-4 defeats to Clyde) when it was clearly time for Whyte/Britton & Dick Campbell to go - today's performance was nowhere near that bad - in fact we played not too badly - some outstanding defensive blocks from Killie defenders, the ball not falling to a Thistle player in the box, MacDonald handling outside the area meant we didn't get the draw we deserved . Although Steve Clarke'assessment that we huffed and puffed is accurate he did accept that his side was pushed back in the second half - I can't remember a single threat to our goal from the League's form side.
It doesn't hide the flaws - our passing isn't sharp enough, our crossing was poor and we lack a goal threat. And what has happened to Abdul Osman? He used to be an effective defensive shield but today he hardly won a header or tackle and his passing was dreadful. Under no pressure, he let the ball run under his feet, from the throw in he conceded a needless foul and our defence fell asleep to lose another soft goal. I have reservations about Barton in midfield but I thought he should have replaced Osman far earlier. The Bench was not crammed with game-changers - Sammon was again ineffective and I would also have had Doolan on earlier (preferably at the start). Andy McCarthy had an excellent game .
The whole Club - Board , Management, Players and Fans - have sleep-walked into a Relegation Paralysis and we desperately need to get a win from somewhere to break the spell. I'm not convinced the other teams in the bottom six are any better than us so I haven't given up on survival yet. When leaving Firhill today, I heard someone loudly proclaiming that he wanted John Hughes in - I'll never be that desperate.
On the contrary, reminded me very much today of Campbell’s last game in charge - I think a 1-0 defeat at Firhill vs. Airdrie?
We repeat, repeat, repeat with Archibald and it isn’t working. The team and the results are his responsibility.
No blame to lay at the door of the fans though - we are, and always have been, second to none.
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1 hour ago, Auld Jag said:
This Saturday without any doubt is the teams last chance to show they are up for it.We have had 2 chances to turn it around and failed.The team getting a win on Saturday is the only thing that will make a positive difference.Lose and we are down.I also think the manager and team have been well supported.Over 800 Thistle fans at Hamilton today.
Alan Archibald has been well supported by the board and has been afforded more patience by the Thistle support than any other manager in the last 18 years that I have been going.
It’s been a dreadful season and he hasn’t been able to get the most from his squad of players. The same mistakes happen consistently. Surely it’s hard to argue his case.
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7 minutes ago, allyo said:
I know many will disagree but I reckon jags come out of that with a lot of credit.
I’m sure there will be some similar patronising garbage on the radio/TV
Stats Watch 2018-19
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Out if interest, does any other club in Scotland have more than one consecutive relegation in its history? Particularly from top flight to third tier? I havn't been able to find any.