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Watch in full and appreciate the skill. Then go back, pause it at about 0:21, and marvel at his magnificence.
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In August 1983 we played a pre-season friendly against Leeds Utd preparing for our second attempt to return to the premier league after relegation. We beat them 2-0 - http://partickthistl...s+United%2C+2-0
Mo Johnson scored both our goals. At 20 years old he'd had two seasons in our first team, scoring 9 goals in the top flight and 21 in the first div. He went on to score 10 goals in the first 14 games of our campaign, which had us sitting pretty as strong title contenders. Watford swooped and signed him for £200,000 in November.
Watford "...were struggling against relegation from the First Division a season after finishing second. His arrival revived their season as they recovered well to finish mid table, as he scored 20 goals in just 29 league games. He also helped them reach their first ever F.A. cup final..." * The previous year Watford's Luther Blisset was the league's top scorer with 27 goals in 41 appearances which earned him and Watford a £1m transfer to A.C. Milan in june '83.
Thistle, without Johnson's fire power, finished the season 3rd, 5 points off a guaranteed promotion in 2nd place. It took us 8 years to work our way back to the top flight.
£200,000 for MoJo in 1983 was arguably, on the face of it, a fair price for a young talented player, but in hindsight there is no question who did best out of the deal. Thistle maybe did not make the best out of the cash but Watford "won a watch".
I'm not equating Liam to Mo Johnson. Nor am I suggesting 1983's £200k necessarily translates to £1m at today's prices. The game has moved on and Scottish and English leagues have progressed at different paces with different opportunities and results. However, there are comparisons to be made, lessons to be learned and a very reasonable argument to be made that investment in Liam's future services and fair compensation for developing them thus far and losing out on the result should be thoroughly considered when negotiating and evaluating a satisfactory deal for all effected by a voluntary change.
I don't know the details of Liam's current contract, I don't know what will be written into any agreement which might rescind it, but if it does not respect our investment in him and offer some protection against the potential serious consequences of losing his services, we need to hire lawyers, and businessmen who will robustly defend our interests rather than merely meet our legal obligations.
I'm not advocating for Jim Maclean style, ball and chain type, treatment of players but neither should we allow our crop of talent to be plundered. Yeah, we are a "selling club", but we must be steadfast if we are ever to be a profitable, enduring and successful one. I'm not expecting us to be waving Liam off with a cheque for £1m in our hands but neither should we turn our backs on a 4 year relationship for a quick buck saying "thanks for the memories". We cannot guarantee Liam is a "golden egg", but let's not allow ourselves to be the gutted goose.
* from wikipedia
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I'd say anything less than £1m and we are being taken advantage of. If anyone wants him immediately then we should be seeking more.
He's a still young player who we have nurtured for 4(?)years to become an important first team regular in the highest level we compete in. We should be rewarded for that.
We're starting to show we are no mere also-rans in this league on a tight budget and a relatively small squad, losing a key player at this stage of the season will force significant choices on us with serious financial consequences. We should be compensated for that.
We've shown our belief and faith in the player to offer him a contract to 2019, that gives him the potential to develop, improve and be noticed at a decent competitive level. That faith in his potential, and opportunity has to be matched.
Point is, he may not be worth £1m "off the peg" in the eyes of English scouts, but to us it's arguable, all we've put in to the player, the effort the club has to deliver to maintain our status and what we would potentially lose and have to deal with, Liam's worth at least a million to us. We have to emphasise that he's a valuable asset to us not simply a punt on potential for them.
I agree with others above that another year at the Jags could possibly have Liam picking from more prestigious opportunities, more confidently stepping up and better equipped for that challenge. However, I understand the draw, the resources, facilities and financial security.
End of the day, it is his choice, and unhappy player is no use to us. But we are in a strong position not to get mugged off wishing him all the best.
Hope he stays. ...
We beat Leads last we played them, Villa are the Scottish club in Brum, and Pompey make the 'orrible 'uns look like money saving experts!
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I appreciate the sentiment of giving fans a say, but should this not be behind the pay-wall and one member one vote?
One viral smart arse twitter message or post on "Pie n Bovril" from, Timmy Hunsman c/o Section B, Killie Institute for Bully Wee Fuddery... and we could get humped with non-jag consensus opinion of the shite-iest of the two.
Anyhoo.....
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Cetic play in hoops ffs!!!!! ... and no black shorts is racist!!!
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Surely the main point in this season is that we have not progressed and indeed seem to be going backwards .., the defence is insecure , the midfield ineffective and the attack unlikely to score that many .., this is despite Archie have the best infrastructure and support of any recent manager ... oh and the quality of our football has really got worse
Are we getting worse or is the league getting harder and more competitive?
- Season 1 - No rangers, admin Hearts, poor Hibs, ... celtic champs (99points) Motherwell 2nd (70points) Aberdeen 3rd (68points)
- Season 2 - No rangers, Hibs, Hearts. ... celtic chumps (92points) Aberdeen 2nd (75points) ICT 3rd (65points)
- Season 3 - No rangers, Hibs or D.U. ... celtic chumps (86points) Aberdeen 2nd (71points) Hearts back and 3rd (65 points)
We're 16 games into into season 4. Celtic unbeaten, dropping only two points out of 42. Rangers return sees them sitting 2nd in the league. Have current 3rd and 4th, Aberdeen and Hearts gone backwards too?
Friday's game against Celtic was the first time anyone has scored more than 2 goals against us in the league. We have only failed to score in 3 league games. Both are firsts for this stage of our season since promotion.
We have taken points off every team except the current top 4, lost to only 2 of of the other 7 one of whom we beat in the return fixture, and we have recorded 2-0 victories against our 2 nearest rivals at the bottom.
We have played only 5 league games with our first choice keeper between the sticks for 90mins....
For sure, there's cause for concern. Bottom of the league is not a good look or feel, or a sound foundation to make a defence of consistency or possible slow progress in tougher times. However, I think it's too early to say we are on the slippery slope. If we don't get a decent return, at least a couple of wins, from our 5 games between celtic away and aberdeen at the start of february, then the case for regression becomes stronger.
I ain't chipped in much on here about the team so far. It's not been as good as I hoped. We have not progressed to some kind of consistent comfort of competitive competence or really displayed professional assurance and experience where we fans are looking more at ourselves than others for acceptable standards and chances of survival are turned to potential for glory. But for me, that was hope, rather than expectation.
Our debt has been cleared. We didn't become rich. We can look forward only because we've been lifted from a hole, not put on a pedestal.
For now, I still have faith in Archie to get us to the point where we can really start setting our own standards on the field that might possibly exceed those we, fans, players and coaches, should be very grateful for off it. I have doubts that others might take it for granted.
Still the best fit for the job right now.
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- Season 1 - No rangers, admin Hearts, poor Hibs, ... celtic champs (99points) Motherwell 2nd (70points) Aberdeen 3rd (68points)
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She tuned in on the wireless
She was not alone. Legend has it, the game was boycotted and attendance was low, because it was moved to Parkheid and the prices were hiked up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_vfOMQPNMY
As a boy, in the mid '80s, I used to sit in the centre stand near a guy who did claim "I was there". "Auld Murdo". Anyone else remember him? My memory is of a bunnet and club tie wearing fan, unassuming, smiling, white haired old gent in a trenchcoat.
He wasn't at every game, and I didn't really speak to him as much or in depth, as I wish I could now.
However, I do vaguely remember him telling me he set off from North Woodside road, went on one of the old horse drawn brakes to the east end , there was indeed much grumblin about the entry charge, it wasn't a very good game and he didn't have a very good view of the goal ( shite view away at parkheid, who'd have imagined? ) cause he was right down the front of the terrace and there were railings in the way... Though, some of that might be mixed up with other accounts I've read or heard. ...
I also seem to remember him saying the polis had the batons oot cause people were climbing the walls and rushing the turnstiles, and that he reckoned it was local celtic fans because alot of jags and h*ns stayed home due to the price hike and inside it was a very mixed crowd and strange atmosphere.... not that it spoiled his day though!
ETA ... "Auld Murdo" - North West Bus man?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyjV9hDNRvQ
They say, "wee team", But there's a right way and a wrong way,
Our club will last forever, Our club will last forever
Two more years, two more years
Two more years, two more years
Two more years a Jags star!!!
Great news.
Great player in the making.
Thanks Liam, and well done Archie and the rest.
O.T.I.G. .... Coolest in Scotland by a city mile!
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I assume your having a laugh......
The sun posted a picture of a supposed child refugee questioning their age and it turns out the person was an translator for the home office .....whatever happened to compassion ?
https://www.tactcare.org.uk/news/2614-2/
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The topical issue concerning the "Calais refugees" is not about race. It is about verifying age and honesty.
Gary does not name the people he thinks are being racist, and if he did and they are indeed discriminating, or assuming superiority on a racial basis he should be lauded for calling it to our attention.
As it appears now, Gary, himself, is in danger of making a generalisation which might tarnish good people with legitimate concerns over honesty, accuracy and order, as being racist.
Lying about one's age can give one an unfair advantage in society.
For example, this - http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/ex-sfa-chief-still-raging-20-1028076 is not a racist accusation.
And, while I appreciate, support and applaud our club being open to specific requests and making particular efforts to accommodate people less fortunate than the average fan, I trust they take measures to ensure no one is taking advantage of this particular scheme - https://ptfc.co.uk/fans/kids-go-free/ and that it is being run in a fair and consistent manner.
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Let's get a few things straight. The Telegraph is a Tory controlled piece of sh*t who's owners very rarely pay any tax in the UK. If Big Sam had been from Sussex and went to Eton - they wouldn't have went near him. Entrapment is a horrible thing to do to anyone. I would seriously consider disregarding anything that comes from one of these setups, given that the whole situation is a complete lie from the start.
That said, he's been extremely stupid to get involved here, given that he had just landed his dream job at £3m a year, why would he need to chase any more money? Some of the claims he makes just strike me as showing off in an attempt to land the cash that was on offer. Another dimension to this is the fact that the FA have been the biggest outspoken critics of FIFA and UEFA in the past few years, so there was absolutely no way they could stand by Big Sam without appearing to be total hypocrites.
So I have no sympathy for big Sam, but I also have no affection for the journalists or the publication in question for bringing this whole story to light.
Look forward to the Telegraph's under cover operation in to large scale corporate tax avoidance...
He was also embroiled in an investigation by tory controlled piece of shit the BBC back in 2006. That contributed to the F.A.'s own investigation into corruption being extended. While the report by Lord Stevens documented no evidence of irregular payments, it did express concerns over potential conflicts of interest between Sam, his boy, and his then club Bolton.
As with that previous investigation Sam ain't the only one in the cross hairs now. Tommy Wright has just been sacked from Barnsley for taking a bung, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink was targeted and the Italian owner of Leeds was taped. According to the tory controlled piece of sh*t Telegraph their 10 month investigation will reveal :
- The assistant manager of a high-profile football club accepted a £5,000 cash “bung”
- Ten managers were named by players’ agents as taking bribes to fix player transfers
- Two well-known managers discussed becoming ambassadors for the same fictitious firm as Sam Allardyce
- Another high-profile manager admitted his players broke FA rules by betting on their own games but he failed to report it
- A senior figure at a Premier League club helped undercover reporters to formulate a plan to bribe manager
I imagine the reason Sam is the headline is his position was the highest profile and had the greatest potential for a conflict of interest abuse. As England gaffer, he could arguably offer the greatest influence over players' potential market value. For example, one of his far eastern audience with a stake in a player offers him a bung for a cap.
The F.A.'s crusade on FIFA/UEFA is definitely a factor in Sam's demise, but also the most likely inspiration for the tory controlled piece of sh*t launching a 10 month investigation into the domestic game. Sam may have had a slim defence in that it is reported his agent stated Allardyce would “have to run it past the powers that be” before he could commit to anything. However, with the FA's stance on corruption and such a broad attempt to expose dodgy deals down the leagues of England, the Top Boy has got to be squeaky clean.
I wouldn't defend him, but I do have some sympathy for Sam. He shouldn't have gone anywhere near this. Part of being a successful competitive sportsman is facing up to the challenges others set for you, recognising the pitfalls, not yielding to temptation of the easy options and keeping your eyes on the main prize. He was the England manager and he went for a cheap shot. He was set up, but..... He done f*cked up. I think he probably knows it.
Sam is also reported as saying, “The most corrupt business in our country would be what? You’ll be shocked when I tell you this – HMRC.".
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- The assistant manager of a high-profile football club accepted a £5,000 cash “bung”
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Ach... he's just huffin.
Probly get's it from his faither.
He wiz too wee furra bevvy when the ton' came up....
.... Still spittin the dummy noo, and throwin his rattle oot the pram!
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The GK is a part of the defensive unit and the unit takes collective responsibility.
Of the last 7 games he's featured in, we've conceded 15 goals.
Really disappointing. Search for a CB must step up. And we need a decent back up keeper. I appreciate the comments about Scully making saves in 2nd half, but he'd already conceded 3. When did he last have a clean sheet?
As for the rest of the team. Best to get that performance out the way early doors in the season.
This was Ryan's first game of the season, playing behind a defensive unit which contained only one player he's played with before in a competitive fixture.
In the 6 games he played in at the end of last season, he played behind 6 different defensive combinations, the last two of which had a 17 year old making his first team debut at left back.
Having lost Gallacher to Hearts, Archie clearly recognises that, at just approaching 24, Ryan is still improving as a goalie and experienced back up is required. That was what he tried to do at the start of the season and in 2 of the 3 games Crawford started it was Cerny who was on the bench, not Ryan. When Tam took the gloves for the first time this season it was Crawford who was picked as sub goalie.
Ryan needs games. Playing behind a settled defensive unit he could possibly build a more confident relationship and understanding. In his two seasons at Dunfermline he was able to do that to a reported competent level of success. Granted that was at a lower level, but in all fairness, despite being given the the Jags first team jersey several times now, it has not been our first team he has always come into.
Ryan deserves our continued support and encouragement.
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It would certainly be considerably more independent than the status quo.
How?
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In Archie we trust!
Geez a shift Ziggy!
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"The European Commission is the EU's executive body. It represents the interests of the European Union as a whole (not the interests of individual countries)."
http://ec.europa.eu/about/index_en.htm
"The Commission may take action if a Member State:
- fails to incorporate EU directives into its national law and to report/communicate to the Commission what measures it has taken;
- or is suspected of breaching Union law.
If no solution can be found at an early stage, the Commission can open formal infringement proceedings and eventually refer the Member State to the European Court of Justice."
http://ec.europa.eu/atwork/applying-eu-law/index_en.htm
"..... Countries wishing to join need to have:
- stable institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities;
- a functioning market economy and the capacity to cope with competition and market forces in the EU;
- the ability to take on and implement effectively the obligations of membership, including *adherence to the aims of political, economic and monetary union."
(*my emphasis)
http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/policy/conditions-membership/index_en.htm
Aye ..... "independence within the EU". What our First Minister considers to be "...In the driving seat of our own destiny...". http://www.snp.org/constitution
- fails to incorporate EU directives into its national law and to report/communicate to the Commission what measures it has taken;
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Not claiming superior medical knowledge, Ian. But there is a reason for a medical prognosis being called a prognosis, rather than being called "the future".
'Mon the Jags.
Did Stuart go for a medical test at any other club?
I'm thinking our guys are probably more informed about his state of current fitness and recovery chances. And that's maybe not just about the physical/medical technicalities, the guy has grown up with us and individual character has a lot to do with recovery chances.
He was most closely linked to a move down south. Even if he was fully fit, the prospective club probably looked on him as a bit of a speculative signing, - decent oop north & worth a punt.
Any doubt over his fitness is less of a gamble for us to commit to.
I take your point, the injury is a concern of course.
But given what we know of Stuart, and the interest from elsewhere prior to injury, I'd argue handing him a 2 year deal is more of a decent, educated, speculative business investment than mere punt.
On balance, the potential rewards outweigh the potential losses.
That's quite exciting.... intit ?
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Alyn Smith the SNP MEP received a standing ovation after concluding his speech the other day by declaring passionately to the Brussels chamber, "Scotland, did not let you down. Please, I beg you, chers collègues, do not let Scotland down now."
The recent question put to the Scottish people was should the UK remain or leave the European Union. That Scotland did not let down the EU on that issue is clear. However, participation in recent elections and referenda also indicate that the Scots are not as enthusiastic about that particular "family of nations" as Mr. Smith implies.
2014 European parliament elections turnout - 33.5%
2014 Scottish independence referendum turnout - 84.59%
2015 UK General elections turnout - 71.1%
2016 Scottish parliament elections turnout - 55.6%
2016 EU referendum turnout – 67.2%
33.5% turnout does not suggest great engagement from the Scottish people. However, it does relate to nearly 1.4 million Scots keen to have their voices heard at an EU level, and this most recent figure is a record high since the Scottish constituency was formed in 1999.
It could be argued that an increasing number of Scots are recognising the importance of the EU and exercising their democratic right to have their view expressed through representation. What that view is exactly might not be so pro-EU as increased participation might imply. UKIP more than doubled its' vote in 2014 and elected it's first Scottish MEP.
While Labour and Conservatives also increased their vote share, as did strong advocates of the EU the Scottish Greens, the SNP and Lib-Dem's both lost ground in the percentage of EU voting Scots endorsing their particular EU policies
Mr Smith, has benefited from an education across Europe. His studies took him around Europe, Leeds, Heidelberg, Nottingham, Warsaw, and employment in one of Europe's great capitals, London.
He is a graduate of The College of Europe. It has been described :
“ According to The Times, the "College of Europe, in the medieval Belgian city of Bruges, is to the European political elite what the Harvard Business School is to American corporate life. It is a hothouse where the ambitious and talented go to make contacts".[4] The Economist describes it as "an elite finishing school for aspiring Eurocrats."[5] The Financial Times writes that "the elite College of Europe in Bruges" is "an institution geared to producing crop after crop of graduates with a lifelong enthusiasm for EU integration."[6] European Commissioner for Education Ján Figeľ described the college as "one of the most emblematic centres of European studies in the European Union".[7] The BBC has referred to it as "the EU's very own Oxbridge".[8] The college has also been described as "the leading place to study European affairs"[9] and as "the elite training center for the European Union's political class".[10] RFE/RL has referred to the college as "a Euro-federalist hot-spot."[11] The Global Mail has described its students as "Europe's leaders-in-waiting."[12]”
Taken from wikipedia : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Europe
The College of Europe campus at Natolin (Warsaw) where Mr. Smith spent his time, was founded in 1993 with the support of the European Commission.
Mr Smith has tried to win election at both Holyrood and Westminster. On both occasions he achieved fourth place.
He started his parliamentary career as Scotland's youngest MEP, and has gone on to maintain election to the European parliament in three elections since 2004, placed second on the SNP party list.
Check out how much it costs to have him plea to Brussels to keep, or help Scotland be, not "free" or "independent" but rather "...internationalist, cooperative, ecological, fair, European." -
http://www.alynsmith.eu/mep_allowances
Aye.... That's representative democracy right there.
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Who is your example of a "strong" leader, CGMB?
Cameron?
Corbyn?
Rennie?
Dugdale?
Davidson?
Don't make me laugh.
Guy Verhofstadt?
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Nicola's Brussels date tomorrow is with this guy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVlk0gT8aiQ
....speaking on 24th may 2016.
Scottish Nationalism and an "independence" movement has resorted to maintaining A UNION that strives for "ever closer UNION" because the UNION actually endorsed by the people of Scotland, and was in the process of granting more powers to the Scottish parliament, decided to leave a UNION it felt was taking away power.
She goes to work out a good deal for Scotland negotiating from the strong position of, not being a member state wanting reform with the weight of an imminent referendum to leave and a team of experienced diplomats to make the case, but rather, being desperate to sign up, and quickly with a hastily gathered team of experts.
Yeah.... That's "strong" leadership right there.
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Luckily celtic and rangers are never drawn to play in glasgow on the same day unless they are playing each other.
My mistake. We play rangers at home on 26th Nov. and celtic at home on the the 10th of december. On both occassions their other half is playing at home.
However, the old firm's home games colliding are, for obvious reasons, avoided. Right?
Knowing that keeping distance between the re-united terrible twins is a consideration when fixtures are arranged, I doubt coincidence or pure chance led to it being Thistle, Motherwell and Hamilton with only 2 home fixtures against the sons of Harry Stamper while the more remote Dundee Hearts and ICT have 4.
The fixtures are drawn via computer program, are they not? With the avoidance of celtic and rangers playing at home on the same day written into the program?
Seems to me that "home" probably means Lanarkshire, and although the schedule does not totally avoid them playing in the same area on the same day, the published fixtures are possibly a considered "preferred" option.
Maybe I'm just being a wee-diddy-club-conspiracy-theorist.... But the old firm are a pain in the fixture list as well as other irritations.
... FTOF... the financial "benefits" come at a cost.... "west coast bias" yer feckin pie.... ken?
Celtic Game
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2 valuable points dropped against our bitter city rivals.
Fans should be out in force on Saturday to demonstrate their disappointment and voice their frustration.
Only 3 points from the Motherwell game will suffice the need to put this demoralising result behind us.... ... ...
.... then, hump the 'orrible 'un in their own backyard and prepare for next seasons title charge.