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54 minutes ago, allyo said:
It surpirises me if Hibs want to relegate Hearts.
It goes beyond rivalry and goes into actual damage inflicted on the club which is not resuulting (at least not entirely) from what has happened on the pitch. There's no fun in that, it's just bitter. I like to see us beating rivals, but I don't wish harm on them. And I know that some fans do, but surely the clubs should be bigger than that. Are they that petty?
Plus, surely Hibs benefit from the rivalry, and from derbies.
Am I naive?
I know the rivalry in Glasgow between the ugly sisters is way beyond toxic for some of them. I worked in an office with a RFC supporter who was also a freemason and member of the OL, and he simply would have rejoiced if CFC went out of business! even though the fact that the existence of both of the teams in one league is the only justification for that league existing [its my opinion, the Premier League in Scotland will never be won by any team outwith the old firm] This is not a football rivalry, this is two lots of religious bigots, usually with subnormal education, applying their weird logic what should be a sporting occasion. My guess is much the same sort of attitudes exist in Edinburgh.
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Add to the fact, the health service would have to say the stocks of testing kits are at a level that we can afford footballers to be tested. Footballers have been stung a few times by a mouthy Health Secretary and some self inflicted bad publicity, so they wont want to get involved in something that makes them look 'self interested'.
I'm not sure that Scottish football would be able to work behind closed doors, I don't think the fanbase is that interested or large enough outwith the top six clubs to make closed door games commercially viable.
It would appear that a widely available effective vaccine is required before we will see football [as we know it] again.
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I doubt GC has a future in football management, and it would be nice if someone took him aside and explained this.
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12 hours ago, glasgow boy said:
any teams play in red and yellow
Karlsruher used to have a change strip that was red and yellow
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35 minutes ago, scotty said:
Will the football authorities look at the longer term though? If FAs are being asked for reimbursment for unfinished seasons they may just sell even more of their rights to the broadcasters who will be delighted that they will have a captured audience. If the only way to watch football is on a single country-wide channel then they'll only want the number of games played that they can schedule. In effect giving them control over a country's football. So who will need bodies like the SPFL? And , on the side issue how long will it be before there's a tie in between sports channels and gambling organisations?
Perhaps not, it's my [and a few million others I guess] opinion that selling your sport to a cable tv / satellite network devalues the product you have on the field. I would rather watch football on terrestrial channels that are accessible to anyone with a TV and not have either buy individual games from the cable tv / satellite networks [or go to a pub to watch a game]. But that would mean footballers [at the top level] being paid £150,000.00 per annum rather than £1,500,000.00 per annum**. Could this reduction in wages happen? ….. well it will happen if / when the cable tv / satellite networks find a more cost effective sport to use for advertising purposes.
**These figures are for illustration purposes only
Could the SPFL be superseded by the cable tv / satellite networks?, possibly, but if that was to happens the league would mutate to become even more of an 'old firm' dominated body [minimum 8 OF league games, seeding to ensure an OF cup final in Scottish Cup, League Cup and even Glasgow Cup] ….. and then people in Scotland really would find something else to do with their Saturday afternoons.
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2 hours ago, javeajag said:
Don’t think so.....Kieran macguire said overseas broadcasters will want £750m back if the English premiership doesn’t play
I'm not saying this will happen this season or next, I'm thinking more 'long term'. I just think that various football association might just reject getting their collective chains pulled by an organisation that cares not one jot for the sport other than the fact that it is a good advertising outlet ……. and as a side issue who can be comfortable with the amount of gambling outlets that are advertised? I wonder if that industry is completely appropriate for football?
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3 hours ago, javeajag said:
Sky, DAZN and IMG, three media companies, have already withheld €220m ($238m) from Serie A, Italy’s top football league. The Premier League stands to lose £750m ($910m) in rights fees if the season does not resume, and at least £300m even if it does, because broadcasters will have missed their preferred time slots. Fixtures that go ahead may not meet broadcasters’ expectations in other ways.
I wonder if the fact that the TV and cable broadcasters, noted above, have completely control the fortunes of association football in Europe [within the big 5 leagues] will make the those same footballing authorities stop, think and reconsider if this heavily money orientated entertainment business is exactly what the football supporter wants?
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On 5/11/2020 at 12:01 AM, JeanieD said:
As regards cycling to a match, a few years ago I decided to cycle to Cappielow and all was going well until a diversion through Houston resulted in a puncture. Soldiered on but had to stop every half mile to pump up tyre. Missed game which was infuriating as we won but just got train home instead.
Went toCappielow by paddle steamer once though.
I don't think anyone will ever be able to top going to a match by paddle steamer!!!
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18 hours ago, West of Scotland said:
You make it sound like it has to be one or the other.
And it's not "woke" - it's simply not being shithouse.
Sorry, don't understand where you are coming from.
The point of my first mail is priorities ….. I think the first team playing and winning games, with some style, should be the first priority of PTFC.
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17 hours ago, scotty said:
The acadamy was set up and funded because Colin Weir wanted to help disadvantaged youth. The women's team was set up and funded seperately from the men's team so I don't think either should be blamed in any way for the demise of first team football over the past three years. You could argue that the first team shouldn't be holding back women's or youth football.
No blame intended.
The football [mens] team is of most importance, all the rest are 'nice to haves'.
I feel the PTFC organisation needs to prioritise its core requirements, and since there is little chance of football being played this year, perhaps they could use this time to redefine it's aims?
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11 hours ago, jlsarmy said:
Nobody is saying it should be a team of 18 yr olds but it could be a team with young and experienced players , just now if you want to get rid of the losing mentality around the Club , we need to offload a lot of the players that got us relegated.
When people on the outside of the club look at what we have as an organisation they see a 'woke' club, with a youth structure in place and a woman's team established …. we are cute …. but we are a shyte football team.
Is it not the time to now cut the cloth to suit our needs? We need a functioning and winning team on the park, that is the whole point of the clubs existence. Once we have that winning team, we become a community football club because the community will back a winning team. How many ST do we normally sell? about 2000? …. that is an insufficient number to run multiple football teams.
If we are to have a youth structure, we want one that delivers talent to the first team manager, if it cant do that it just becomes a vanity project.
The ladies football team is a nice idea, but one that you establish as an add-on to a successful football team.
I like being part of a 'woke' club that will criticise racism, bigotry and homophobia, I like the thought that kids can play with a PTFC shirt and grow up being a small part of the Thistle footballing family, and it is good to see woman's football being played in Scotland. But [and it's a big but] firstly we need to have the club winning games, and being at the top end of the Championship, and eventually top six in the SPL then we can have the add-ons.
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1 hour ago, javeajag said:
The premiership in England have their own issues .....it’s being floated that two clubs from the championship will join an extended league for next season ....the ugly sisters will be staying here
The chances of RFC and CFC going to England is a non starter for many, many reasons. We could in fact fill multiple pages of the forum listing them. It's a dream that simply will never happen ….. but it is a nice dream, I think that is why it is so often mentioned on these pages.
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1 hour ago, Emsca said:
Absolutely , this reform from within nonsense just does not work when there are dishonest people involved with self interest and cronyism rife.
Would be delighted if we were at the forefront of something new and innovative , ideally that does not include the Ugly sisters.
Agree with this simply because, if you are going to have a big change, then best to do it while there is no chance of football being played [I could be wrong, but IMO you wont see football in Scotland this year] and the clubs can spend their energies on establishing something fairer and something that works better for all teams.
The ideal would see RFC and CFC joining an English league organisation, but unfortunately those two teams are so toxic to the perception of the majority of English football supporters, I fear we are stuck with them.
If this movement to a new league management gathers pace, they will have to be careful they do not simply create a renamed carbon copy of what they have now.
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1 hour ago, jaf said:
Updated permissions....should work now
Thanks for taking the time to do this, interesting spreadsheet!
The numbers for Queens Park are eyewatering … any ideas why they are?
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a terracing for standing fans capacity for about 1000. c/w male and female toilets
a medical centre for orthopaedics / foot injury and muscle injuries [deep tissue massage etc] - ideally this would be open to the public, and be part of NHS 'portfolio'
a match day lounge that has a viewing area [glassed area that can open]
a bike shed is not a bad idea …. not sure if cycling from Shawlands to Firhill in December is an option, but I would give it a go …. at least once
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6 minutes ago, Auld Jag said:
Leslie Deans ex Hearts chairman on Sportsound saying Hearts should take SPFL to court.
Or pay appropriate compensation to the 3 clubs unfairly relegated
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12 hours ago, a f kincaid said:
Obviously disappointed but not at all surprised. League reconstruction was never likely to happen. If I read the statement from the SPFL correctly (the response to the Rangers dossier) it seems any reconstruction has to be approved by the TV companies (principally Sky who would never forfeit their Old Firm derbies cash cow) for "the good of Scottish Football". Now we learn 6 Premier League clubs have not found it possible to do the decent thing either, more than likely thinking about 4 home gates against the Old Firm. The irony is that Sky have lost their Edinburgh derbies next season - if/when it starts.
Scottish football authorities do exactly what the Cable / Satellite TV companies tell them to do, and the Cable / Satellite TV companies base their whole 'football existence' on advertising revenues. An interesting article from an ex-Tottenham Hotspur fan on why he gave up his season ticket for Spurs to go watch a more honest form of football:- https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/11/premier-league-football-eaten-itself-commercialisation-bt-sky
After the performance of the SPFL and Scottish footballing authorities generally, this drifting away of fans sickened by the 'money, money, money and then more money' corrupt attitude may be something we see more of when C-19 is eventually brought under control [autumn 2021?]
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14 hours ago, BowenBoys said:
Apologies for selective quoting.
Watched the Rabb briefing today. Lost count of the number of times he said that they will be doing x or y in the coming weeks. Also casting doubt on the efficacy of measures that have been taken by countries who have successfully dealt with this virus. It is deeply frustrating. The reaction of this Government to this virus is shocking.
When Johnson won the election he thought he would spend four years jingoistically dog whistling to Little Englanders while his smug cohorts dismantled the country and lined their pockets. Now that they have to actually protect the citizens, their actions have been woefully inadequate. Criminally so, I would suggest.
My guess is BoJo and chums are finding themselves in a situation that they neither expected or wanted. Today's government is neither competent or honest enough for the situation they find themselves.
When they make errors they should own them and try to repair the error in real time, they should also have the self confidence to be able to call out any situation that is known to be harmful …. but neither of these actions are part of the Conservative Party culture, which is:- you should never admit error, additionally you should cover up your error for as long as possible.
In fact the default generally within No10 Downing Street is, 'is this deniable'?
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5 hours ago, Dick Dastardly said:
Not in anyway condoning anything that the UK government has done, but I don't think it is a coincidence that the largest city in Europe (London) and U.S.A. (New York) have by far the worst statistical evidence of virus spread. London had gone a long way to skew the UK figures.
The NY Governor Andrew Cuomo put for ward an idea that having a major 'hub' airport had probably contributed in the import of thousands of people carrying the virus, I think he could be correct.
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Just a little bit of history of the odious Murdoch MacLennan:-
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37 minutes ago, javeajag said:
I haven’t
drinking again?
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28 minutes ago, javeajag said:
Ok.....looking at the stats experts there’s not going to be significant changes that mean the U.K. isn’t one of the worst affected countries that just can’t be denied I’m afraid.
UK has 2nd highest total number of COVID-19 deaths (after US), 4th highest number of deaths per million population. Its excess mortality, best measure for global comparisons (over 42,000 by April 24), is worse than Italy, France, Germany, US and up there with Spain.
Over this past 6 or 8 weeks I have come to the conclusion the most informative newsprint relating to Covid-19 is to be found in Private Eye [satirical mag], and the most informative radio programme on Covid-19 / football matters has been 'Off the Ball' [Radio Scotland] The mainstream news outlets whether they be newspapers, blogs / vlogs or TV & Radio programmes are simply spouting what their target audiences expect and what their advertisers expect to hear.
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16 hours ago, laukat said:
Cleaner not to relegate than to promote as it means Hearts stay in the top flight.
Interesting hypothetical question - now that we have a full pyramid structure in place if Sevco did go bust where which league would they go into? League 2 at tier 4 was the bottom of the pyramid in 2012. This time around the pyramid goes down to tier 7 which are the East and West of Scotland football leagues first divisions
I would love to see Pollok v The filth at Newlandsfield ….. barring the fact the trashy fans would cause the usual damage to the ground and immediate surroundings.
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31 minutes ago, laukat said:
interesting tweet from ex SPL chief exec Roger Mitchell. The comments that follow the tweet also have an air of truth to them. In essence the SPFL could have loaned or advanced payment oof prize monet but the other clubs would have to be confident the club recieving the loan could keep going. It looks like the other SPFL don't fancy Sevco's chances of surviving.
Also interesting the apparent toxicity between the support of the two teams. Just from reading a few of the posts what I see is complete and total hatred ……. But one team without the other could not exist …… It follows then, if the Govan ugly sister goes bust, how long before the Bridgeton ugly sister would follow? I wonder if this virus might in the long run [but for all the wrong reasons] produce a positive impact on Glasgow?
What if they shut down the season?
in Main Jags forum
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The Glaswegian ugly sisters reputation [and, to a lesser extent, those of the Edinburgh bigots] guarantees there will be a TV company wanting to broadcast the four episodes of the outpouring of bile, and this in turn finances what we know is the Scottish Premier League today.
But [at this point you have to allow yourself to dream] if you could sell CFC to someone in Ireland [but allow them to play in the English leagues], and sell RFC to an English owner [much in the same way Major League Soccer teams are sold in the US] I think Scottish football would become a better product. This is not something that will happen overnight, but eventually [perhaps after Celtic win their '50th in a row'] there has to be some common sense applied to football. Surely there has to come a point where winning a 'diddy league' over and over and over and over just becomes a pointless exercise?
I think given a period of transition, Scottish football without the uglies [or their fans] would be excellent.