Jag36
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Totally sums up scottish football, selfish players, selfish clubs, lack of leadership. Couldn't even make it two weeks without a game called off..don't remember this happening in the 'top flight' anywhere else. What a Joke.
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10 minutes ago, fenski said:
I agree. And this bit of the statement "But I ask everyone associated with Thistle to never forget today. To never forget how it feels to be relegated unfairly. To never forget that there are many good decent people and clubs in Scotland who stood with us, publicly and privately – but there are some whose fear and self-interest got in the way of doing the right thing." is better left unsaid. The sooner the club drops the victim mentality and unsettled scores attitude, the better it will be for everyone.
Agree and the 'Family' part just doesnt sit right with me. We are here to compete like every other club ,and that just softens it. By their nature football clubs and fans have a rapport but if you don't perform ultimately you will lose your job. So this 'Family' idea seems to add another dimension of almost unaccountability for failure that i don't think is right for a football club
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16 minutes ago, Lambies Lost Doo said:
The Relegator has spoken
https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/message-to-the-partick-thistle-family/
Just a small point..but wish they would stop calling it the PTH family. I've been going to games for over 30 years...but its a football club so please just call it that
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8 hours ago, Woodstock Jag said:
That’s what I meant by as soon as possible!
I’m not the one pretending that all the fans thought the legal case had low to no chance of success after the fact.
Think once it went to arbitration it was never going to happen
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27 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said:
I gave you all fair warning.
I was told by posters that if I was wrong I should quit the forum. I had my credentials questioned. I was subjected to political ad hominem attacks.
If people can’t take their wrongness being clobbered over their heads, they shouldn’t dish it out.
There’s a very important difference though isn’t there. When I predict we’re going to lose to Killie I do so as an ordinary punter, not someone with greater knowledge or insight than the average fan that rocks up to the John Lambie Stand. I did have more expertise than others. A Senator of the College of Justice and two Sheriffs agree with my assessment.
People questioned my assessment from a position of inferior knowledge and understanding to me, and then personally attacked me for not being “loyal” enough to a stance that has since been proven to be legally baseless.
I am entitled, candidly, to tell those people to get it up themselves, and I can do so while still being angry about the circumstances that led to Thistle’s relegation.
Haha don't pretend you had some great insight. It was always more likely this was the way it was going to go but given its a Thistle forum the majority of people are probably going to argue our case. The idea you 'called it' with your great legal mind and insight is laughable.
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Pretty sure this is not what the courts were getting at when they said the issue would be best resolved within the game. Looks like this could end up back in court depending on the SFA punishment..and sure that wont go down well- and yes WJ this is just speculation..
Anyway im pretty much done with Scottish Football and Football in general. Greed, self interest, the old firm...corporate football, instagram footballers, VAR.. i could go on
Im out!!
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1 hour ago, Dick Dastardly said:
What they need is a wealthy benefactor to give them £50k each without any strings ...... Oh ! Wait a minute .......
This is how you accept a donation..with gratitude..the men's game could learn a lot
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22 hours ago, cyprusjag said:
It was the majority of clubs that set the rules.. everyman for himself, greed and self interest so we're just playing by their rules. There were opportunities for alternatives such as 14-10-10-10 that would have had a relatively insignificant impact on clubs, but they were totally dismissed from what i can see whithout any credible explanation. Think Thistle in particular are a genuinely decent club but we're totally in the right to fight this injustice.
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Possibility of Doncaster and Nelms ending up in the dock..that would great
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8 minutes ago, alexander livingstone said:
Speak for your self
Definitely adds to the debate. He's confirmed he comes from a legal background which was totally obvious so don't think theres any need to know anymore. Thats totally fair don't think anyone else on this forum would be happy to start disclosing personal information
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7 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said:
You'll forgive me for getting mildly irritated at people asking personal questions and rummaging around to find out more about me simply because I've said stuff they don't like on a football forum.
Agree
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2 hours ago, Norgethistle said:
Sorry Woodstock that is not how your coming across
Don't agree with most of his points but posting from his legal perspective is fine with me. Makes for an interesting debate, even though the way he states his opinions comes across as gospel
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2 hours ago, Woodstock Jag said:
It’s not cryptic. It’s specific. My job requires a law degree but it does not require the holder to be a solicitor or advocate.
I work for the House of Commons.
But of course Norgethistle already knows this because he’s creeped on my LinkedIn profile twice in the last week.
The plot thinkens..
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33 minutes ago, jlsarmy said:
Coercion again ?
Just a theory but may be to do with trying to get as many clubs on board as possible to increase the threat of expulsion. Knowing Thistle/Hearts may have to withraw their case if this became a real possibility
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1 minute ago, Woodstock Jag said:
Yes. Frequently. But none of that matters once they’re defending the legality of their actions against a minority of member clubs that are suing them.
Football is a business. What did you expect?
The Clubs pushed through the vote. Not the SPFL Board. Your grievance is with the 34 Clubs that voted for the resolution.
The concerns about the Dundee vote became academic the moment it was clear Dundee was now in favour of the resolution. It only begins to matter again if you think any, let alone enough, of the 34 Clubs who voted for it have changed or are likely to change their mind.
Football is more than just a business if you don't understand then thats your loss.
They weighted the vote in favour of it going through. Not disclosing information, setting a massively premature deadline( before even allowing the furlough scheme to be fully announced) and giving the resolution little time for proper consideration. Took advantage of a situation where clubs were in fear for their futures basically saying only voting for this will allow you access to prize money- we will see in court if this was in fact the case.
In no way did it become academic. If there was interference that broke the SPFL's rules and precedures, and/or scots law then that can and will not be overlooked
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28 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said:
The SPFL is under absolutely no obligation to suggest to member clubs that they... join with Hearts and Thistle in suing them.
That people genuinely think that’s something they ought to have put in a letter is literally *wild*.
Has it never occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, they honesty believe, having taken legal and other advice, that in both cases the only option available to them was to act as they did?
Of course it has but I have very little faith in the SPFL to be transparent and honest as a result of their actions so i decides not just to take what they say at face value. Has it ever occurred to you that they have not acted honestly with integrety and are motivated more by bonus's and payments, serving the rich powerful few above protecting and enhancing the game as a whole . At a time of crisis instead of showing leadership and building consensus they have promoted division serving self interest and greed over any genuine attempt at fairness.
Lost any trust in the SPFL the moment they pushed through the vote and failed to adequately address the legitimate concerns around Dundee's vote.
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22 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said:
He’s not overseeing two warring parties. He is defending the legality of the decisions and actions of an organisation of which he is the Chief Executive against the legal action of a minority of its members.
Once more and with feeling: Neil Doncaster does not need to be “impartial” about whether he and the SPFL have acted lawfully.
He has explained that if clubs want access to court documents one of the ways that they can access them is to become a party to the dispute. That’s just factually accurate.
He has then said that if clubs want to do that, the SPFL is happy to advise them on how to become a named respondent in the action. That’s perfectly proper and something a members’ organisation is entitled to do.
No. It’s not the responsibility of the SPFL to invite clubs to sue it. If clubs want to sue the SPFL they are free to do as they please.
His agenda being “defending the SPFL against accusations that it has acted unlawfully by giving effect to a resolution the vast majority of the members approved?”
Again, he isn’t an impartial leader, nor does he have to be, in disputes that take place between the SPFL and a minority of member clubs.
Don't think he said "one of the ways"..pretty sure it was more along the lines of..clubs have beenrequesting documents- we've been given legal advice that these documents can't be disclosed....Unless! you become a party in the dispute AND we'll offer you legal assiatance.
Seems to be a trend developing here in the way the SPFL conduct themselves-We can't release the prize money..BUT if you do what we want and vote for this resolution( as there is no other way..because we are not interested in examining other options) its all yours! But remember we are just here to administrate as this is a members organisation. Now can i have my £400,000 a year salary please
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14 minutes ago, Auld Jag said:
Agree. We should not just lie back and take it, while thinking what is the best for Scottish football. Our only concern should be the best thing for PTFC.
Scottish football set the tone here..self interest, everyman for himself.. so we're just playing by their rules
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Bit of a pattern with the SPFL..voting for our resolution is the only way to get prize money (without any meaningful review of other options)...Now- supporting us in court is the only way to access these documents...
Convienient that the 'legal advice and conditions attached' always seem to support exactly what the SPFL want.
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6 minutes ago, marcia blaine said:
I tend to agree in the main. There’s nothing in the letter that’s factually incorrect.
But as I said I think the letter implies a limited route to getting sight of the documents. If there is another route that does not involve becoming a respondent or allying with the respondents then the letter would be misleading by omission.
Does anyone actually know of such a route?
The SPFL seems to specialise in "limited routes"
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14 hours ago, Woodstock Jag said:
Exactly this.
There was absolutely no value in the Clubs making a joint statement about a letter, the contents of which both aren’t public and which therefore aren’t addressed in the statement. It looks like Hearts and Thistle throwing a bizarre tantrum when all we know is that the SPFL is *checks notes* communicating with its members... about an impending court case?
What “underhand tactics” are these exactly? You haven’t seen the content of the letter so you can’t possibly know that anything underhand has happened.
So far all that’s in the public domain is that the SPFL has been communicating by letter with all 42 member clubs and that Hearts and Thistle don’t like some of the content of a letter, the contents of which we do not know!
Yet somehow we are to jump to “SPFL underhand tactics” straight off the bat? Okay.
If that is what he’s said (and we don’t know that) we can have absolutely no complaints as to the SPFL stating that that is what our legal action calls for. It could scarcely be more explicit that we want the resolution annulled to the extent it still permits promotion and relegation of any kind, but not in other respects.
What we wanted politically to happen with other votes is really neither here nor there now.
It’s not remotely strange. It’s in black and white in section 296(3) of the Companies Act 2006. The vast majority of limited companies will have this rule for written resolutions.
You're right we don't know the contents of the letter but given the way the SPFL have handled things over the last few months, and Thistle/ Hearts reaction, i'm going to speculate its "underhand".
We will see. I know how you like to gather accurate info though..so I'm sure Doncaster will be on the radio to clear things up and you can take that as 100% the truth because thats a reliable source of unbias information, right...
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13 minutes ago, gianlucatoni said:
He's a complete buffoon if he thinks the contents of this letter ring be leaked to the press.
Should know the contents by this time tomorrow.
Definitely! Just really demonstrates why this had to go to court. Seems like more underhand tactics from those who are supposed to show leadership in our game. Instead promoting division. Wonder why they are so worried....
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12 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said:
That’s probably why my original comment, which you chose to reply to, wasn’t directed at you?
He clearly did say it to the SPFL, otherwise that wouldn’t have been the donation structure he agreed to when donating.
Probably didn't think he had to put such specific restrictions in place..forgeting it was Scottish football he was dealing with
What if they shut down the season?
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Whats going on with Scottish football..?! No other league seems to have had these problems. No suprise really ... from the way the whole situation has been handled from the top to bottom
This now needs some intervention from the SFA and SPFL..fines suspension, docked points etc. for clubs whos players break the rules