Jag36
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Hope it suceeds but even if not its the right thing to do. Greed and self interest trumped any attempt at fairness at a time of crisis so these clubs and the SPFL(hopefully) deserve everything thats coming to them.
Also hope the corrupt initial voting process is exposed along the way!
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13 minutes ago, a f kincaid said:
Re the podcast...
In addition, he suggested that although starting on the same day as the Championship was the overall aim, some clubs had indicated that it would be 2021 before they could play again! It's not clear to me to what extent League 1 and 2 clubs "speak with one voice". I hope for Thistle's sake he was talking solely about League 2.
Findlay is totally clueless. Thought he was a Lawyer. At one point he talks about 'new technology' a device thats reads peoples temperatures..to detect coronavirus as if this could be the answer- although this has already been widely discredited as an effective means of 'testing'. Its embarrasing and Tom English totally exposes how incoherent his arguements are..
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Suggest listening to Donald Findlays reasons for voting against reconstruction on todays Scottish football radio scotland podcast it is absolutely laughable. He is unable to give any logical reason and is a total hypocrite- worth a listen.
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2 hours ago, One t in Scotland said:
Because the Premiership split doesn't really work when it's after two rounds. Rather than hanging on to a proposal that was never going to work Thistle should have driven a 12 team Championship idea that as there is unlikely to be any Div 1 / Div 2 nobody could reasonably have argued against.
Instead we got the fantasy world of statements appealing to other clubs good nature. Naive nonsense.
Suppose the idea was to show a bit of solidarity with the other clubs unfairly relegated( that 'somehow' excludes Brechin) with a solution that would be fair for all. Very happy for Hearts just to drag this through the courts now at the cost of other clubs. At a time when most organisations are trying to find ways to help each other out..scottish football has been a total disgrace. Their unwillingness to accept the slightest inconvience, while still, from what i've seen incredibly ungratefully accepting, a substantial donation. Think Hearts etc. might actually have a case so hope the greed that has overiden any fairness comes back at them
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Good statement but appealing to clubs sense of decency is pointless. One thing thats clear from this whole thing is finance is all these clubs care about- hanging onto every last penny that may come their way. The threat of a financial penalty through court action is the only way any change is going to happen.
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1 hour ago, Auld Jag said:
As i have said before with a 14,10,10,10 set up nobody loses out. If this does not go through every team is voting in self interest, surprise, surprise. If that is the case we must take the same attitude and do whatever is best for Partick Thistle, no matter how it affects other teams.
Wasn't a fan of court action at first but think clubs have been given every opportunity now to do the right thing( with very little impact to themselves, in fact many would probably benefit) but haven't. They have also been given a significant donation and still do nothing to give anything back. Tired of the 'self interest' arguement too..as if somehow its not quite right but thats just the way it is..This is more than self interest- its actively making decisions to damage other clubs. Would be totally in favour of dragging this through the courts now!
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Bit of good news..Scott Fox has invoked his relegation clause and is off. Exactly the kind of guy we don't need at Thistle at the moment. At a time when having a secure contract is a priority for most players thats a bold move
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Why would somebody donating money ever want Celtic, Rangers etc. to take an equal share? Rangers have just spent 3m on Hagi but there you go have an extra 50,000 of another millionaires money..utterly ridiculous. Why would this person even want to make their donation now! Its a drop in the ocean for them but could be the difference between survival or not for a lower league club.Their greed is shameless.
This money should have been split between the lower league clubs as an emergency fund for those clubs in desperate need- on a means tested basis. Initially the money was meant for the lower leagues so why this change. No need for the SPFL to even be involved- money could be donated to clubs directly that needed it through a seperate fund. Think this again raises questions, along with the SPFLs sudden push for a 14 team league. Was this money actually no strings attached as Anne Budge insisted? Or did the SPFL possibly 'suggest' split it with the top flight too and we can maybe help you out with a 14 team league...
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44 minutes ago, javeajag said:
innovative approach in Denmark
This is exactly the sort of thing we need to be thinking about. With maybe a 'entry fee' for games that is similar to the price of a normal admission (sustainability of clubs is what this needs to be about). Of course it wouldnt be the same but im sure lots of fans would be happy to pay there 20 quid every fortnight or two( or buy a virtual season ticket) for a season to watch their team online and help the game survive. And it wont be like that forever.
Of course this is planning for worse case scenario without fans until next year and hope it doesnt come to that but we should be coming up with contingency plans as there are options and not just be saying leagues cant be played
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The only way scottish football is going to survive just like most industries is to adapt. Clubs live streaming games with quality productions as a subsitute for actually going to games seems to be a good option. I'd pay my £20 to watch a Thistle behind closed doors home game on TV streamed for a season if it waa going to help the club survive and scottish football. Its time to adapt for now because the options are limited. Might not be ideal but survival of the club and the game is the most important thing
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Apparently Doncaster says that it will be the clubs that suffer if legal action is taken against the SPFL. Does that make the SPFL untouchable..?! Seems pretty threatening language. Reckon this is close to reaching a tipping point
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3 hours ago, Auld Jag said:
The gentleman who i think was chairman of the Lowland league said it was about 4/5 months ago they had the discussions about Brechin. Seemingly the reason they could not put Brechin up for the play off is the season needs to be completed before that can happen. But it is ok to relegate clubs before it is completed.
Thats exactly what he said. Hes was told no play offs could take place because the season hadn't been completed but as you say relegation could. Seems they can just pick and choose what rules to stick with depending on what suits them.
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Seems totally obvious now that the reconstruction was just a smokescreen for Dundee to change their vote. Seems utterly bizzare the SPFL determination to force this through at all costs. The ship may have sailed on this debate but does raise the question who and how do they benefit from it.Bonus payments for excecutive members when the new deal kicks in....?
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4 minutes ago, Big Col said:
No it doesn’t - disastrous appointment.
Chairmen appoint the wrong managers all the time and it doesn't get this response- stand by my point its disproportainate. Always thought there must be more to it and i'd missed something but if thats what it is then thats all i need to know
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31 minutes ago, JAG1970 said:
Mainly appointing Caldwell ..... and then abandoning her commitment to speak to the supporters when results failed to improve...
She can bleat about the injustice of clubs voting for self interest (we would do the same) but her appointment of Caldwell- a guy who never had us away from the bottom of the league during his 12 months tenure despite two transfer windows and a lot of money given to him - is a big reason why we’re going down
If thats it seems a bit disproportionate..get the bit about not engaging enough with fans. But Caldwell seemed a reasonable appointment at the time ( though not a fan of him) and they did back him with funds. It did turn out to be the wrong appointment but that can happen and the fact that Colin Weir showed faith in her must at least must indicate that she has the best interest of the club at heart. Think the dislike of JLow on this forum seems a bit over the top. From a Thistle fan of 30 years
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8 hours ago, Pinhead said:
Doesn't matter what falkirk say, us and them will lay down and be run over! Now is the time for the she devil to do something worthwhile but will she?
Out of interest whats the big problem with JLow? Can someone please explain this to me cause feel i have missed something.
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Interesting listening on sportsound..apparently as Dundee had the deciding vote- if it had been recieved( no) then it would have been called(as the threshold had been reached) and that would of been it final. Basically they would of been unable to retract it and change their mind.
Therefore the argument that Dundee could of retracted their vote and change it,whether it had been recieved or not,within 28 days kind of falls apart.
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Just a thought..and pretty much contradicting my earlier point about lack of a legal case. But why not just wait til the money is paid out then take legal action? Surely paying out the money doesnt suddenly exempt the SPFL from any legal comeback
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Not really sure what the legal case here is anyway. Once a NO vote was submitted it could be retaracted and changed within the 28 days. So whether the SPFL recieved it or not probably in legal terms is irrelevant. No doubt the whole process was dodgy and there were most likely dodgy dealings going on in the background- but this would have to proven as 'illegal' rather than just a form of lobbying. No doubt the process was heavily weighted in favour of a Yes vote- but the majority of clubs agreed to this- so again not sure where the legal point would be. No doubt its incredibly unfair but would a long legal case get the desired outcome- seems unlikely
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3 minutes ago, jlsarmy said:
What about the livelihoods of our own staff , is that not worth fighting for , remember this is not the first time the SPFL have done this to us , surely you’ve got to stand up for yourselves at some point
4 minutes ago, jlsarmy said:What about the livelihoods of our own staff , is that not worth fighting for , remember this is not the first time the SPFL have done this to us , surely you’ve got to stand up for yourselves at some point
Don't disagree with you there. Would imagine the chances of winning a legal battle, its cost, and financial impact of relegation have all been weighed up too. Dont get me wrong im not happy about this but we have totally been put in an impossible position. Seems like all the other clubs that were up for fighting this too have disappeared off the radar
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Totally agree with the Thistle statement. We have totally been backed into a corner and because we are a good decent club we have decided that we dont want to put anybodys livelihoods at risk ( this includes non-playing staff) - which is what would have happened due to the situation the SPFL have created if we took legal action. We have EVERY RIGHT to do so. Its not about having 'baws'- we were put in an impossible position and the fact we are a good decent club means we couldn't go down the legal route. Proud to be a Thistle fan and lets hope we start getting the credit we deserve for this- cause as it stands we have come out of this worse thsn anyone else.
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Anyone remember that time when Rangers said they had a whistleblower etc etc. Well that turned out to be nothing
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1 minute ago, Gary Peebles Tackle said:
Still a shambles.
Don't disagree with you there. The whole process has been corupt and a mess. Even if the outcome is no relegation for thistle the SPFL still have to be held to account. Was just making the point that maybe relegation is not inevitable
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Talk is of a 14 team top flight. If Hearts and Hamilton are on the taskforce then there will be no relegation.
Dundee utd and ICT promoted to make 14. Dundee miss out - possible carrot of 2 automatic promotions next year( who knows) for which Dundee would likely be favourites
But that leaves an 8 team championship- unless they decide to promote 3 from league 1, which is unlikely. Then it will be 2 from league 1 with thistle avoiding relegation to make up the 10
Presumably a highland and lowland league team will make up the league 2 numbers.
Ultimately you need to bring in two new teams to the SPFL to avoid any relegation with a 14 top flight
Could be totally wrong the way things are going. But maybe all is not lost yet
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Had no idea there were so many great legal minds on this forum either. Been going to games for about 30 years and im so disillusioned ( not suprised) with the greed and self interest that Scottish Football has responded to this crisis with I don't think I can watch a game in the same way again. Totally happy for Thistle & co to drag this through the courts now. Even if nothing more is achieved than to inconvience a lot of people and expose the failings of clubs and the SPFL along the way