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great post 100% agree. the luvvies left the jags years ago and became celtic supporters when the club denatured the republican element but managed to become successful on and off the park (something that thistle could never offer to the middle class leftie aspirational sorts)

typical tartan army pish.

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aye that is true for definate. that aspect is sound. what perhaps is not sound is the view of the direction of history and the dialectic process and ultimately where it leads. To me, focussing on that aspect of marxes work creates an almost relgious response that Gods Kingdom on earth will develop out of the morass of capitalism...

me too. although most people i guess would situate myself to the left of the political spectrum i find it difficult to self identify with the left as the crap they hit out with does fit the looney left stereotype. Also think the left needs to lose its dogmatic attachment to marx if it wishes to progress. marx's anlysis of 19th centuary capitalism is of little relevance to todays circumstances imo

thanks eildih...

his sons even cooler. if people want to crown me as king then ill with humility accept the challenge haha. only kidding the amount of work hes put in has been incredible - i have seen him age ten years over this small period of time. good luck to the next person that takes on that post!

hahah http://www.wearethistle.co.uk/index.php?/topic/410-worst-fans-in-scotland/page__view__findpost__p__5959

england are the sole team from the soverign nation state of the united kingdom. as we are all part of this state we aught to give the argument of supporting them seriously.

genuine group of fans (albeit informally organised) that was named by said director.

just an annoying *******

we need more people at the game. bottom line. 5000 people at firhill would make all the difference.

scotland is not an soverign nation state. Maybe if our culture of nationalism was built on something of more substance than supporting a shortbread advert football team we could call ourselves that.

haha good to see me being accused of being rangers like than celtic like which is what i usually got!

Despite my initial enthusiaism for the notion of replicating ultras groups in this country id have to say that now i feel different. Ultras grew up in a particular context as a response to particular concerns permeating fan culture within that context. The concerns here id say would be different. Thats not to say that I do not believe that some things can influences from other football cultures can be a bad thing for instance ultras in italy got a lot of their practice such as standing up from english fans. The concern against 'no to moderno calcio' probably does not resonate with a small first division team that is very much financed upon a very old school and decaying model of management. So i can't really see that spirit taking off on our fanbase. It's far more likely to resonate with supporters of bigger teams where they have made the transfer to being a brand and that football is more driven by influences such as sponsorship and tv etc... For all me being an edgit that admires the green brigade - the fact that they have just gone into negotations with lawwel and co at celtic park and gained an entire section that they can run as they please shows how being organised as a group can be of benefit. The problems that make our football a crap atmosphere needs to be thourghly anaylised before entering into a programme of action. What is right for juventas, man u, celtic, stirling albion etc is going to be different for our context. There are of course far more important things to be worried about that how good an atmosphere is at a football ground but still nonetheless has some relevance for supporters. I have been criticised in the past for arguing along the lines that there needs to be more homage paid within football for the wider political currrents affecting our society. Often, i was hit with the argument that politics should be left to the old firm and that thistle was bi contrast an apolitcal zone. Within the last year we have witnessed the rise of the EDL which draws in the main from football casual ranks. This rise corresponds incidentaly to the to the rise of the BNP in former labour areas when the new labour project abandoned the working class. The point is that if you make an area seemingly aploitical then someone will fill that vaccume. I have heard rumours that some of our own NGE were involved in the SDL marches. I genuinely hope this is not true. But if this is true, and if this is a trend that is gaining momentum,then the neccessity of left minded people becoming organised amongst any football supporting ranks becomes all the more apparent - in the same way that the left needs to reengage in working class communities to combat facsism.

my daughters celtic despite me making a garguantuine effort otherwise. my son is still a blank canvas though.

nice to see more people not being opposed to the idea of supporting our national representatives in the world cup as opposed to the usual ninety minute nationalist rantings you get from the skirt wearing brigade amongst our ranks. just think if some uppity 90 min nationalists hadnt seceded us from the FA back in the day, thistle might be playing in an intersting league rather than this provincial morass that is scottish football..

haha. that eedgit would be me. and no im not involved in any of this stuff but think its good to see more people coming to this correct way of thinking. maybe your time will come too my friend

im supporting england. i want to see football coming home.