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Yes, wont be bad, plus I have good friends who support Montrose, Cove, Forfar and East Fife. So good chance to catch up. Others are right it is for every individual to make their own choice about attending games and the mood at the moment suggests away ends will be sparse, and I would just say that will diminish the experience I am sure for those of us who are there, since I always think we have a particularly fine and fun travelling support.

So they didn't vote out of self interest you mean as voting that way denied them a potential promotion?

and Inverness, Dundee, East Fife, Montrose, Edinburgh City, Airdrie, Elgin, Cowdenbeath, Queens Park, Dunfermline, Ayr all missed out on potential promotions (through the play offs) as much as Falkirk, Kelty and Brora did They have just made much less noise about it

Is there not some quote about football clubs being a collection of shared memories among fans? If you don't go to games, you wont have the memories. If anyone I meet mentions Peterhead, I tell them about the play off game. If they mention Forfar, the promotion game. If they mention Arbroath, I tell them about winning with only 8 players. Alloa, 'pie on a roll'!! Etc, etc At a time when we have lost football for so many months, to deprive ourselves of memories, experiences, and going to games, and our club of support, seems to me to self-inflict further damage on ourselves and our club, both of whom have suffered enough at the hands of others without then hurting ourselves!

Scene of course of one of the pishest games of football ever, and yet one of the best days out!

Ever the optimist!

I don't think there was a solution where no club suffered or felt hard done by. That's my point. 12-12-10-10 probably would have been fairest in my mind, with only Hearts losing out. I think if we were in Dundee Uniteds shoes, 14 points clear, we would not have rolled over to save a club from relegation who had not won in 2020. In those circumstances, I would have expected us to pursue promotion, just as we pursued not being relegated. Its self-interest, and how everyone acted in the whole affair. My point is that Budge and others are not blameless. They failed to engage, they failed at diplomacy, they failed to read the room, they failed to come up with proposals that would get over the line, they failed to set aside their own self-interest in finding a solution. And we suffer for that failure. Its not entirely about one vote on one day. Our directors were working on the basis of protecting the interests of the company they are directors of. Rightly. Why is every other club director not permitted to do the same - when actually Company Law requires them to do so. Anyway, there is no point of Thistle fan being against Thistle fan on this, we are all entitled to our opinions. I just think - and I accept I may be in a minority of those who post - we cannot preach #donoharm whilst wishing harm on others.

I think it’s easy to say that’s not a preferred outcome. And who could disagree with that or think it’s anything but unfair. but you also need to articulate what the genuine reasonable alternative would be. Every alternative seems to me to have flaws. And that’s the difficulty here - someone was going to lose out. It’s terrible that it is us. But if we had won any game in 2020 it wouldn’t have been us and perhaps we would have been arguing the other way rather than wanting that particular team to face Falkirk in a play off?!

Teams like Falkirk and Inverness were not voting to support us and are therefore good guys THey were also voting out of self interest EQually hearts are not the champions of our cause I still think 12-12-10-10 might have passed a vote . That was presumably not put on the table because of the self interest of hearts. Such a reconstruction passing would have saved us, benefitted Falkirk, etc. All hypothetical speculation I know. But that it wasn’t seriously explored could be a reason we find ourselves in this situation. So the problem with splitting clubs into good guys/wanks is it’s more complex than simply a single vote.

Perhaps waiting for the outcome of the costs determination? My understanding - and I am no expert - is that in Scotland arbitration costs (if awarded) are done in line with proportionality to the amount at stake, ie by claiming £8m and £2m, the clubs may face higher arbitration costs burden than had they sought more realistic figures. The good news for us is , if my understanding is correct, the lions share of costs ought to be met by Hearts.

I will be going to away games as I want to see as much of our league winning season as I can, and give the players on the park as much encouragement as I can. We have watched utter dross for the last few seasons - why would I want to only see half the possible games when we go back to being a good football team to watch, winning games in style. Each to their own as far as that decision is concerned and I am not telling anyone else what to do, but I think especially after this particular period of being deprived of football, I am going to take the opportunity to go to as many games as possible and not take for granted going to the football 'next week'.

Shore Leave? Appropriate for our league next season.

Out of likes - bang on the money IMO

Come on......The guy expressed his opinion. On a football forum. Which is all about expressing opinions. He took loads of stick for it, being in a minority position but stuck to his guns - he was not anti-Thistle, he was anti-legal case, and in fact some might argue that more ought to have taken a pragmatic rather than overly emotional view, because the outcome is worse for us than the alternative may have been. Now its open season on him all over again. Partick Thistle now need to move on. Start winning games. Deliver fan ownership rather than be in this limbo land we find ourselves. To do so, we need to be united. So I am not suggesting anyone will go so far as patting WJ on the back, but perhaps we can at least remove some of the more personal attacks on him? We are all hurting. As a fan of many years standing, I guess WJ is too. There are enough people against us without turning on ourselves.

yes, I do accept you caveated that aspect and speculate is the wrong word. Also, I totally respect that you have the right to post whatever you want - drivel or otherwise. I just wish you would afford others that courtesy.

To begin with javeajag speculated that the spfl would delay until next week before even starting as a tactic. He was wrong. He then speculated they would drag it out to have the same effect. He was wrong. He then speculated the spfl would settle rather than go to arbitration. Guess what? Wrong. His next speculation was that this would take until Friday. And it looks like that was wrong according to his new most trusted source. He does all this whilst chastising anyone else on the forum for speculating. The real world is probably a more informed place to live than twitterland.

A deal like this allows everyone to claim victory especially if the amount is “undisclosed” and the terms of settlement confidential . That’s where I expected this to end weeks ago. However, although I do think it’s where we might land I see a few problems with a deal 1. The amounts sought by the clubs in court papers is so high it possibly makes a deal more tricky. 2. The spfl balance sheet is technically insolvent. Ie it has more liabilities than assets so where does the money come from? 3 The answer to 2 is presumably out of future payments to the other clubs, thereby reducing their future payments In which case it would be brave if the executive to agree to this without formal consultation with all the member clubs if this is any substantial amount

You speculated they would delay the start until the week after next. They haven’t. Your speculation was incorrect. Instead of pausing for thought that perhaps your whole conspiratorial view here could be incorrect you just seamlessly move on to your next speculation - the drag it out one. I understood arbitration was expected to take around two days.

Which they haven’t done. As it starts next week. So now we can move onto the next wild speculation.....

I don’t get why one of our own does forensic analysis of most of the points and you argue with him undermine him daily. some anonymous guy posts something and it’s the greatest thing you have ever read and you ridicule critique of it. It’s pretty poor form.

There are numerous examples in world sport history of members splintering and setting up an alternative challenging alternative governing body. These include darts boxing and cricket. I suspect there are probably even footballing examples. The problem hearts and us have is we have insufficient support for such a move.

Their legal advice was that they should have representation.

Nope. We dragged them into this.

But with much lower population density. Comparisons really are pretty meaningless.

I know a number of private sector care home operators and this agrees completely with what they have told me. It seems to me that if you took care homes out of the numbers, Scotland and England would have much lower numbers. The strategy to move people from hospitals into are homes when you had a disease whose symptoms did not show for several days was a massive error. It was an error made by both Scottish and UK governments.