Dick Dastardly
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Looking at his stats, he's picked up his fair share of red cards. Maybe Jackie can give him a bit of coaching
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and that was with the game being live on the telly as well. I know there was a cup final ticket incentive in going last night but you very rarely get 15,000 at Easter Road when the Infirm go visiting there which is another boot in the Georgie Daws for all those pundits that say the game would die if Rankgers were sent packing. By any reckoning teams like Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs, Dundee Und would be regularly getting crowds of 10,000 and above if they were challenging for Europe every season
It also shows that there is a real problem with the product beeing offered to the football fan in Scotland. Compare Edinburgh to Sheffield, a city of a similar size (population) and hosting 2 senior clubs. Wednesday's average attendance was 21,336 this year while United averaged 18,702. And that was with both clubs in the 3rd tier ! Looking further down, Luton managed to average of 6,111 in the Blue Square premier. That would put them 7th in the SPL attendance table, above Motherwell and Kilmarnock who would benefit from "the massive OF travelling support". We desparately need a radical shakeup of the product on offer or supporters will continue to drift away and if ever there was a chance to grab the bull by the horns, this is it.
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Thanks GPT. I have also sent a message to the above and also contacted UEFA via their website link
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Looking forward to seeing the same again against Team England GB when Senegal play in the Olympics at Old Trafford
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Aye he was, at the "respected" Largs training camp. I'm sure he might have been an instructor there when mourinho went and did the badges!
What the hell has Scotland got to teach about coaching? We've never done anything in International Football so I don't know why people would come to us for advice?
Ferguson, Moyes, Dalglish, Kean, McLeish and Lambert (we can add Coyle and O'Neil as well if we are greedy). I'd say that is not a bad group to have come from a small nation. Scottish managers have won more premier league titles than any other nation and no english manager has ever won the premier league (the last english manager to be english champions was Howard Wilkinson at Leeds)
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fair enough, theres not really much i can add to the above. i realise such an attitude of leaving sfa to fa is a minority viewpoint, but i expect that further down the line it will become more mainstream.
I can't disagree with anything you say, all very good reasons for why we should join the FA, but I go back to ask, "What is in it for them ?" Now I can see very good reasons for the Football League to welcome a club that can draw 50,000+ supporters, but realy is there any good reason why they should invite ourselves or Montrose or even Berwick Rangers ?
Clubs in the lower leagues are, in general, no better off than the ones in the SFL, so we would be asking one of them to sacrifice their place so that the others can have increased travel costs and little or no extra gate money. How many fans would we take to Alfreton for a midweek game in November ? How many would travel from Braintree to Firhill for a similar fixture ? How big a draw would Thistle v Forest Green be for the TV cameras ? It makes absolutely no finacial sense to anyone down in England to have a club like ours join their system. I have seen a few BSP games this season and I doubt that the current Thistle squad would survive at that level. It gets worse if we were to go down further to the BS Conference North, (the league that Blyth are getting relegated from !)
The only way that I can ever see this happening for any club other than the ugly sisters is with the total disintegration of the SFA and the creation of a British League. Sadly that day maybe closer than anyone would like.
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we need to join english football
But do english football need us to join ? What's in it for them ?
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Absolutely correct. We can only hope that all of the chairmen of other clubs realize the enormity of this issue. Is the reason for their existence solely to make up the numbers so that the OF can dominate for ever more, regardless of the ways in which they will do it? If they truly care about the game and the feelings of their clubs' own supporters, they will make sure that the h u n s get very severely punished, and indeed take this opportunity to re-organize the way football is structured in this country.
I do have some sympathy for the non-old firm SPL chairmen. As a football fan, I know what I want for the best of the game in Scotland, but he is incharge of a small business in a struggling market. With presure from his creditors, it would take a brave man to vote for a slightly larger share of a much smaller market (all be it one that has the potential to grow) as opposed to the existing status with some penalties against one of your rivals that may give you a small advantage for a short time.
Long ago football stopped being a sport and became a business market and the Chairmen need to carefully consider what is in the best interest of their own business.
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Thanks Dave
Hi yes - you can post them to the club, if thats ok - just mark the package "Firhill Cup" - that would be brilliant!
Thanks. 5 shirts in the post ! - It may help (or maybe not) the advertising if I said that one is the Textile World striped shirt and another the Textile World candy stripes on black. I love the candy stripe one and want it to goto a good home
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I have 5 shirts that I would like to donate (old thistle and scotland ones), but as I live in Stockport, how can I get them to you ? Is there anywhere I can post them ?
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Tom Hughes having his say on matters at the hunnery in the Sun...
Interesting idea from Hughes. Isn't us restarting from the 3rd division an idea that he tried to implement while he was chairman
Being serious for a minute, if you were Rangers and were being forced to restart from the bottom again, would you not look at trying to restart through the English leagues ?
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But the allegation of two contracts has not been proven as yet so thats not the reason PLUS if it is proven Campbell Ogilvie would have resigned as he was the Rangers Club Sec whose specific job it is to register players -so we still do not know why Rangers are getting a different punishment for those in the past.
The two contracts is proven and admitted by RFC as being against SFA and SPL rules (this is probably the bringing the game into disrepute which resulted in the transfer embargo). What is not proven is whether it was legitimate tax avoidance (as claimed by RFC) or illegal tax evasion (as claimed by HMRC)
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rab douglas is a red-faced twat
cairney sign a deal please, a joke he was booked
didn't think that was a sending off actually, was it a straight red?
but fantastic result and I was eagerly awaiting this video
McGuigan looks to be a handful. the little knock back when on the deck to set up the opener shows that he is thinking about his game. I do hope we can get him signed up. I also hope it is a good sign that Cairney ran straight to Jackie after the second goal. Please stay Paul.
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I seem to have difficulty trying to keep up with this but Rangers didnt pay there bills and went into administration -so did Motherwell ,Livvy (twice) ,Falkirk and Dundee (twice) -what is it that they have done differently from the others to justify a transfer embargo -its a geniune question ,also how much differently did Whyte act from say Boyle at Motherwell to justify a life ban -Im I missing something here.
They all cheat by using other peoples money to fund there Clubs and deserve draconian punishment BUT I cant get my head round what it is that Whyte has done different from the rest -can someone explian.
And before anyone accuses me of being a closet H*n Motherwell and Dundee directly impacted on PTFC ,Falkirk gained promotion and a new Stadium after a CVA ie by not paying people ,Livvy funded a Youth Structure we would give our right arm for by not paying people and going into admin- so why were they not all punished in a similiar vain to Rangers and Whyte ?
And how many of the 2002 Scottish Cup semi final squad were on contracts that couldn't be afforded if they were not avoiding paying tax ? We were cheated out of a Scottish Cup final.
As for the transfer embargo, that penalty was for a breach of SFA rule 66 - bringing the game into disrepute. The panel will shortly publish exactly why they think that rule was broken. Only £50k of the fine and the earlier 10 point penalty were for going into administration.
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As for the original question. I was in the Tee Hee camp, but as the story has dragged on, I am a bit ambivoulent. I just hope that whatever happens brings about real change in Scottish club football. If not, it won't be just Rangers that die.
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A nation mourns ? More like a nation drowns in tears of laughter
Before we get the usual pish about us being in the shitter blah blah blah. **** it im enjoying the slow painful death of a horrible football club based on institutionalised bigotry. My only fear is that there is a comeback of Lazarus proportions that means they dont actually get into liquidation
Its actually a very clever punishment from the SFA. If Rangers move into "newco" and want to stay in the SPL they are ****** over, if they take the hit that they should after being liquidated then they reapply for a new licence in the SFL and start again from division 3 without any penalties. The way I see it is that this is the SFA forcing the SPLs hand to not allow any "newco" straight entry into the SPL as if nothing happened.
Is it ?
I see this as a bit of a non-punishment, other than making liquidation more inevitable than it already was.
The fines will never get paid, other than maybe pennies in the pound if Rangers do go the CVA route. It is just a few hundred thousand onto the total which will get divided by the same amount of money put up by Rangers. The difference now is that via the CVA route, they pick up the transfer embargo.
If they go the liquidation route, no fines get paid and the transfer embargo does not apply to the new company, which hasn't broken any rules. There will be the SPL lottery of having Rangers 1690 FC or whatever they call themselves re-elected, but I would put money on how that would turn out.
So, via liquidation, this is a meaningless punishment and liquidation was always the most likely outcome.
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Watching STV news tonight and they suggested that it would only take an 8-4 vote to allow a newco. club back in not the 11-1 vote that applies in other situations. With so many other clubs with in similar dire financial situations like Hearts & Kilmarnock this will pass no bother.
I agree with lady-isobel about the slap on the wrist type punishment, as predicted the SPL & their members making it up as they go along.
The one hope that I have is that UEFA have something to say about Rangers re-entering in the SPL, effectively without punishment. If they were to threaten to ban Scotish clubs from European competition and or sanctions against the national side then maybe, just maybe, we would get 5 clubs voting against them. Bit of a long shot as I haven't seen much action from UEFA before and I suspect FIFA are more corrupt than the Rangers board (allegedly) were.
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Define 'finished'? Do you mean all 42 senior clubs will lock the doors? Will Jim Slavin be asked to burst every ball in Scotland? It won't be finished in the slightest.
Also, your reasoning as to why there are bidders seems interesting and flawed. There are probably bidders because someone wants to save the club? Have you read what Paul Murray/Brian Kennedy have been saying. Whether they can or not is a different story.
Finally what does this mean - "Expect this to drag on another 6 weeks till close season in the SPL before the bombshell hits, or if a group buys see them file for admin or push through liquidisation then. My close relative who was pretty high in HMRC for scotland does not see a way out for Rangers except liquidation unless some crazy oil sheikh comes in with over £100 million to pay the debts."
They are already in administration? Liquidation would screw HMRC the most, coming out of admin with a payment plan is surely common sense, but since when did HMRC adopt that approach?
I would say that is dubious.
As I understand it,the Rangers case is the first of many EBT cases, so if HMRC were to accept 10p in the pound it would give all of the other offenders a get out clause, so asking Rangers to cough up the lot, forcing liquidation and getting nothing, may actually force the other cases to settle and maximising the HMRC revenue overall.
Lots of ifs, buts and maybes, but from everything that I have read, I think that liquidation is the most likely outcome and New Rangers being voted back into the SPL the most likely concequence (why would the other 11 clubs vote for a smaller travelling support and with Rangers share of the pot reduced it would meen more money for the other members).
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Maybe it's just me, but I would give my back teeth and my right arm to have a team as boring as County if we could have a 17 point lead at the top of the table.
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If there are more points for a score draw than a no score draw then it becomes open to abuse where clubs can artificially create a score draw and they both reap the points benefits. Leave it just as it is please.
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I found this bit interesting:
"More recently, cyclist Alberto Contador was stripped of his 2010 Tour de France title and his 2011 Giro d'Italia title, and is now suspended until August 2012 for failing tests related to banned substances."
No doubt many from the Hunnic masses would be deeply peeved at the retrospective stripping of the Giro d'Ecosse, and would be compelled to devise other, more ingenious ways of funding their lifestyles.
Contador was an idiot. He got caught by the Gendarmes in a French hotel with pharmacuticles banned in France ..... Soap, deoderant and shampoo.
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16 is by far and away the best option in my view, however if the powers that be insist on giving us smaller leagues and playing 4 times, how about having 4 "periods" that determine the play off places.
So the over all league winner gets promotted automatically.
Excluding the league winner, the team that had the best record from the first round of games goes to the playoff
Excluding the above 2, the team that had the best record from the second round of games goes to the playoff
Excluding the above 3, the team that had the best record from the third round of games goes to the playoff
Excluding the above 4, the team that had the best record from the fourth round of games goes to the playoff
This is used in several other countries (Belgium springs to mind) and it keeps interest for most clubs right to the seasons end. If you have a bad start, there is still something to play for. Also, if your playoff place is safe, you have a great option to blood younger players later in the season.
Not ideal as we still have to play teams 4 times (potentially 8 if we get drawn in all the cups and have to face a replay) but it has to be better than what we have.
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Big leap of faith here but I'm trusting the BBC have got their facts right, especially the first few Q & A.
http://www.bbc.co.uk...tball/17310468?
If rangers do go into liquidation I can imagine the Arab, Well & St J forums overloading. I trust fan power from those three clubs will rule the day but my gut instinct says it won't.
I wasn't aware that the Pars will be down regardless and a win tomorrow and we're still in the promotion race.
.Has anyone told Jackie about this ? If we don't get a reaction from the squad from being back in the promotion race then we never will.
Rangers Fc- A Nation Mourns?
in Main Jags forum
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry. It is a story that when you tell your grand kids, they'll moan that you're making it all up again. Scottish football down south is becoming a laughing stock. We have authorities that can't make any decisions about a club that nobody wants to buy. No matter what happens it will take decades for ScottishFootbal to recover te paultry reputation that it had.
As to whether to laugh or cry, I've made my mind up ......