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Tough one tonight, too late for me to watch it though (8:45 here) as I’m up at 3am to go to airport. Will hopefully watch The highlights on my flight tomorrow
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On 9/27/2022 at 11:14 PM, Woodstock Jag said:
THISTLE PINS - INTRODUCING THE HUSBAND PIN!
We're delighted to launch the Husband Pin this evening. Read more at the following link: https://thejagsfoundation.co.uk/tjf-presents-the-husband-pin/
This is the third in the line of Thistle Pins. If you're a TJF member, you'll be eligible to purchase one as part of this limited run. As before, £10 including P&P with all proceeds to the Foundation. Check your emails for information about when they'll become available to reserve and how to do that.
One of the most exciting things about this Pin is that it's based on a photo Jackie Husband's family picked out. The original was in black and white, so we got in touch with a specialist colourist to give it a bit of a touch-up. The end result is pretty phenomenal.
The Husband family sent us this picture plus a very nice message on Facebook
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10 hours ago, Lenziejag said:
Regarding the split, the number of adults maximises the here and now gate income.Kids and U18’s significance shouldn’t be marginalised as they are the “core” support of the future. Neither should pensioners who are probably likely to be the most consistent attenders for 15 to 20 years. And let’s not forget, every supporter potentially spends more than just the ticket money, although I don’t know what the agreements are with the pie stalls/Aitken Suite/Merchandise outlet and if that benefits PTFC.
The key is to turn the kids into regularly attending adults (perhaps a transitional U21 ticket), whilst ensuring that access to the stadium is kept easy for our older generation (not relying on online/smart phones for access, ensuring south drive is light and not slippery, etc)
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On 10/2/2022 at 7:10 PM, Fawlty Towers said:
Attendances for the Championship so far this season:
https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/scottish-championship/attendances
Our average home attendances since last 10 years
2013/14 - 5000 (Prem)
2014/15 - 3586 (Prem)
2015/16 - 3797 (Prem)
2016/17 - 4282 (Prem)
2017/18 - 4597 (Prem)
2018/19 - 3042 (Champ)
2019/20 - 2699 (Champ)
2020/21 - COVID (Lg 1)
2021/22 - 2539 (Champ)
2022/23 - 2933 (Champ)
What this doesn’t show is the split between home/away or (more importantly financially) Kids/U18/Adults/Pensioners
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6 minutes ago, Gary Peebles Tackle said:
May as well say it now… we’re going to win the league, aren’t we?
None of our competitors have the depth we have - what a difference from last season where we were close to sending on anyone who had a pair of boots with them.
Cut out the daft mistakes in defence, be lucky with injuries, and we’ll skoosh it.
We will find out over next month.
Caley, Queens Park and Dundee in that time who I’d say will be the other 3 challengers.
Queens park seem a bit of a dark horse and are flying under the radar of the press so (currently) playing without pressure.
Caley are always tricky at their home
Dundee have a decent squad and seem to be starting to get results.
Come a week on Saturday that league could be very tight whether we win on Friday or not if QP and Dundee win both their games
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31 minutes ago, laukat said:
I didn't think we played very well in the first half. We looked slow in possession and too quick to give the ball away.
Tactically I think McCall was playing Smith slight infield of the left wing to create space for Milne to overlap but Smith didn't really execute it well enough.
Second half we looked like we would score on every attack. Tiffoney's goal was as close to his old form as he has been this season. Docherty and Bannigan cruised that game.
Morton were really poor today. Really surprising to see an Imrie team unable to defend anything in the air or get close to anyone in midfield. As much as they were missing a couple of defenders I think they are in for a long season.
Special mention for Robbie Murhead and the Morton fans in Hospitality. They went mad when they scored. I wonder if they celebrate all their consolation goals with the same vigour?
Thought we were good going forward and took our goals well against a very depleted Morton team, but a better forward (yes I know he scored a cracking free kick) could have had a hat trick kin the first half. Defense still looks shaky for high balls and set pieces, sort that out and we’ll be fine
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25 minutes ago, scotty said:
The area up for sale, as far as I remember, did not include access. It is in an area called Dryfield. Cala Homes were refused permission to build houses on it because it was a former sewage works.
And it’s a flood plain and a CEPA area due to water birds /wild fowl
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15 minutes ago, eljaggo said:
Maybe someone who knows the the training ground address in Kirkintilloch Road could check the Land Register to find the current and previous owners.
I don’t believe it was ever actually bought, merely an option to buy if planning permission was granted (which it wasn’t without substantial outlay)
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She speaks to the paper that ran a witch-hunt against Colin Weir in the run up to the referendum in 2014.
She has no morals, and will speak to whoever will listen but not question or criticize. Those options available are rapidly diminishing
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41 minutes ago, watties wallies said:
just read this article TJF should get a read at this
We have. A lot of falsehoods pointed at us
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8 hours ago, stolenscone said:
Who went on, Stuart?
Ian and Andrew
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25 minutes ago, stolenscone said:
Did anyone from the Trust or TJF agree to go on Graham Spiers' podcast?
Yes the Foundation had a couple of board members on it. The Trust was absent as expected
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6 hours ago, Lenziejag said:
Weren’t the Trust supposed to be giving an interview to the Evening Times today ?
But I agree with you and others re Lows intent to stay on. What’s in it for her ?Where was that mentioned? Not seen it posted
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5 hours ago, stolenscone said:
As an aside, I expect that the Thistle supporter who was threatened with legal action will be relieved to know they're not having to use up holidays attending court. It's a classy way to treat a fellow human.
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3 hours ago, Lenziejag said:
I think their statement was slightly different from the due diligence TJF was going to carry out. Didn’t it say they saw the draft audited accounts and Management Accounts ? As you say how in depth their review was is anybody’s guess really. It is strange they were granted access and TJF were denied it.
These were exactly what we asked for and were denied
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54 minutes ago, Lenziejag said:
Probably a mix of fan ownership and private investment.
How are asking questions going to achieve what you say ?
Have TJF learned nothing ?
Its time to act on whatever strategy was decided on after the EGM.If you want to influence us, then join up
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1 hour ago, Lenziejag said:
All I have seen from TJF recently is them trashing 3BC; trashing PTFC Trust and now trashing Stewart McGregor but doing nothing.
It all started really positive but has gone downhill.What we have done is highlight what has happened, who is involved and what is being proposed.
If that information trashes reputations then that fault lies with how those folk have conducted themselves rather than at us.
If things had been transparent, engaging and upfront then no one could be accused of anything, but we have aTrust that has put itself in place, does not communicate, engage or listen to the fan base. Has an unaccountable member hiding in the shadows seamingly controlling or influencing matters with a clear conflict of interest, he’s not the only one involved that has a conflict of interest yet none have publicly declared in fact none have publicly done anything of note to interact with the fans
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12 minutes ago, Lenziejag said:
I am referring to a statement that singles out an individual. I have said before that 3BC/PTFC/PTFC Trust have behaved appallingly. That doesn’t mean that when TJF does the same, they shouldn’t be called out.
We have highlighted the fact that someone with a clear conflict of interest is involved in this yet is denying it. The fact he appears to have the log in and is commenting on Facebook on behalf of The Trust shows how shady and deceptive this whole process is.
A handful of unelected, non-engaging unaccountable fans is determining the future of our club. That should concern ANY fan-
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1 hour ago, Lenziejag said:
That is a terrible statement. TJF have lost and are lashing out. It is appalling behaviour.
But it is no surprise, because they have sat on their hands for weeks.If your referring to the questions these came from our membership, we gave them ample opportunity to answer these, they didn’t. Our membership have also informed us that a lot of them have separately mailed them as beneficiaries, none have been answered.
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1 hour ago, stuart_adam said:
Just wanted to post to say thank you to TJF for all their hard work and constant communication. Would love to be able to put the same into it myself, but I've neither the time nor the will if truth be told. I'll continue to back as a member and hope that all plays out in a favourable result.
Keep flying the flag for the rest of us!
Thank you
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46 minutes ago, denismcquadeno.eleven said:
To norgethistle
WJ made the comment I attributed to him, regarding TJF, in the event of them not getting the shares. He said that. It is a matter of record on this site, for anyone who cares to scroll back. Perhaps you disagree with him on that, I don’t know. Perhaps he now wishes he hadn’t said it!
He never stated that
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24 minutes ago, denismcquadeno.eleven said:
Firstly, can I say, your tone and words are a good deal more friendly, reasonable and conciliatory than that of WJ to a fellow member of TJF. And, if you scroll back, it is a matter of factual record that he hit out at me, as I was asking a question of another member on this site. I did not attack him. I defended myself, as I would always do. If people are friendly to me, I will always reciprocate, even if I don’t agree with them. That too is a matter of factual record on this site.
Secondly, I have been completely consistent in my views expressed openly on this site, since I have been writing about fan ownership. I have nothing to hide, no hidden agenda. I believe the current tactics by TJF (since 3BCs and PTFC board *announced the shares would go to the Thistle Trust) to be mistaken and I also believe the present Thistle chair/board’s board’s position to be untenable.
I have also suspected, now confirmed by WJ that TJF are ultimately prepared to simply accept that *decision and will be content to carry on as a mass membership group. I consider if TJF doesn’t ultimately get those shares, they will have failed and therefore they have no justification for asking members to pay subscriptions each month and continue as they are in their present format. Those subscriptions were intended to be part of the arrangement whereby TJF would be the vehicle for holding majority shareholding of PTFC shares, as is seen at other clubs which are genuinely fan owned. If TJF does not become that, it is a very different group.
And, yes, TJF have been a very open organisation in the various ways you outline except one. And, that is letting their membership know what they plan to do, if and when and what is now likely, the shareholding goes to a group, the type of which, the Thistle Trust has been revealed to be. I don’t trust the present Chair, the present PTFC board or the Thistle Trust. TJF has said they would be happy to work with them. WJ eschews any kind of protest against all these people. He is happy to accept the continuation of the present board/Chair. I disagree with those positions and therein lies the basic difference between me and him, and you and perhaps the whole present TJF leadership.
I never voted for the present leadership, as I wasn’t a member of TJF at that point. Therefore I am not betraying anything. But, if I had been I would have asked all candidates the question “What will you do if you don’t get the shares-they’re given to another group.” Doubtless the answer would have come back. That’s being negative, we WILL get those shares. WJ always said, “We’ll get this over the line.” But, he didn’t. TJF didn’t. Now, it’s a different ball game. And, I think TJF are still playing the ball game they thought they were playing BEFORE the decision was made by 3BCs to place the shares elsewhere and deny fan ownership, plus the way they went around doing it.
Things have moved on and changed, and the original strategy has failed. A new one is needed, but I get no sense the TJF are prepared to change their approach. I also think that to close off the idea of protesting at the way the present PTFC have behaved and supporters have been treated by them makes no sense at all, on any level. WJ strikes me as someone to which, the concept of protest is anathema. I can’t accept that and in other situations of unfairness, I don’t. On that too, I believe him and TJF to be wrong.
Dennis, I can assure you the Foundation and it’s members are not just willing to back away from this and accept the current “preference”, that’s clear by the surge in membership and the poll from our members.
There are many cogs turning at the moment, and there are many ideas and plays being worked, but as I mentioned previously if you have an idea or a strategy then contact us by email.
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35 minutes ago, Lenziejag said:
The main purpose was to get the shares - all the rest is puff. Concentrate on getting the shares.
There should be no other focus.
Of course the ownership of the club is top priority, but to get there we need to build a movement that supports and encourages those shares to go to the Foundation
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2 hours ago, denismcquadeno.eleven said:
There you go again, in the first line, you just can’t resist the negative, unpleasant comment. As they say, when you haven’t got an argument, or are not sure what yours is, rubbish the person opining the one you don’t like.
Thus, you’re still not prepared to reveal your ‘plan’ not even to your own members. Sounds to me like you’re attempting to straddle many horses in your ‘broad church’. Broad churches can be okay, but sometimes when they attempt to encompass every strand of opinion, they end up….satisfying no one. Eg political parties! (I said you sounded like a politician-Tory perhaps? Well you accused me of being a Communist…’what’s sauce for the goose!’)
And, I am sorry, I still sense you’re frightened, perhaps of offending someone! Is it certain other members? The board at PTFC? The Chair? 3BCs? The Thistle Trust? Or, perhaps a combination or all four! You’ve been giving these reasons for not revealing what TJF intends to do for some time. Your ‘flexibility’ is beginning to look like capitulation. How long should we be “patient”? How long do you think before these reasons don’t apply? Or is that a closely guarded secret too?
But, perhaps you’ve revealed yourself in that sentence ..”continue as a members organisation even if we do not end up getting those shares.” Ie the white flag. Perhaps that’s why you emphasise pin badge offerings most these days. When people, organisations, politicians realise they can’t meet the target, they have the habit of wanting that target made easier, ie lowering it. Now you’re suggesting the target will be met if TJF become a mass membership fans group, without gaining the shares. Perhaps you should have said that BEFORE you were elected, to leadership.
Dennis, first and foremost we are Thistle supporters, the club and its success and survival comes above everything else, so personally I would not advocate anything that puts either of them in jeopardy.
What can fans do? There are some simple things that can be done.1- Contact PTFC Trust by mail, or in person (or both) to inform them you do not support their method, their set up and ask them to step away or engage with the Foundation, which had nearly 850 active members.
2- Join the foundation and grow that number, strength in numbers will be key. If you are already a member encourage your fellow fans to also join.
3- If you have ideas or strategies that you believe the Jags Foundation can use to strengthen our hand then mail us, we are always open to ideas, engagement and feedback.
As a members organization we have strength in numbers, the same as a union, and negotiations, persuasions, engagement and unity (as with unions) works 99% of the time before last ditch “action” is needed. We are not near there.
This is a movement that is growing, people feel part of it, people feel involved, they care. That ultimately will be what pushes this through.
We have hidden nothing from our members or support at large, we’ve communicated at every stage, we have ran events to pull fans together, we’ve developed collectible pins so folk can have a little excitement and hold something. This will become bigger than just shares, this is about getting the majority (a big majority hopefully) becoming a collective for more than just 90 minutes a week.-
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Aberdeen v Thistle
in Main Jags forum
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2 of those changes were forced, not planned with Holt being stretchered off and Muirhead being early booked and struggling with injury.
Those give us a problem for Saturday and beyond