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Thankfully I'm on holiday and not having to witness it....tbh this heavy defeat has been coming. Difficult to see how doollan can change it. Looks end game I'm afraid.
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9 hours ago, laukat said:
Its an interesting stat and backed up by what we see on the pitch i.e. we don't create much and rely heavily on a very few players to create and score. I think part of the problem is our midfield is just too old. Crawford, Bannigan and Robinson are now all over 30.
Crawford is very fit and does most of the work but he's expected to the do the running of 2 others. Bannigan has been better this season but to my mind he's been asked just to sit centrally and therefore he's not having to do the same amount of chasing. Robinson is a clever player but I think he's lost a little of last seasons pace. However Robinson is needed to help create particularly when Fitzpatrick is out of form so for different reasons Doolan doesn't want to drop any of the 3. I also think Doolan tries to compensate the lack of energy by using someone like Stanway even though the drop off in quality is significant.
Getting Turner back in the middle will help but we really need to style and recruit a midfield to work around him not try and fit him into the role of one of the other three. That to my mind means a change in style of midfield and perhaps a change in formation. Also might mean losing some defensive strength to gain attacking threat,
Turner is to my mind best centrally playing as a number 8 in a 4-4-2. We need someone alongside him who can go box to box but with slightly better defensive instincts. Bannigan can't go box to box any more and Robinson is not defensive. McBeth and Crawford are both able to go box to box and able to be defensive but neither seems to exert enough authority in the way that say Docherty could. So if we go with one of them its likely to mean more goals conceded but hopefully balanced by more goals scored.
I suspect we will see the same formation and tactics tomorrow as Doolan is now in a position were he can't afford any more bad results so thinks he can't afford to experiment. However I think Doolan may well be in a downwards spiral if he continues with that approach as we know that current team and formation isn't good enough for promotion so he really needs to experiment to find something that can compete and equally show us that he's not out of ideas or hasn't wasted a large budget on a load of players that can only play formations with 3 midfielders.
Agree with most of your post, bar the Crawford impact. He may run about but he creates very little and scores even less. I think the best we can hope for is Turner back in midfield will make a significant difference, but I'm not convinced on that either. I'm thinking the January window will either sink or save our promotion aspirations.
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16 minutes ago, stillresigned said:
That was certainly a very poor performance at a shitheap of a ground, against an opposition that frankly wasn’t exactly top drawer. These are the games that you must take something from, it is frankly unforgivable to lose such soft late goal for a professional football team!
Late goals happen all the time. Ironically we only started playing after we went behind. As others have said a wasted opportunity on many levels.
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Turner wasted at RB. Crawford and Fitz MIA yet again. Chalmers only bright spark so far. That said Morton have created nothing either.
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Would normally go to this game, but not mad enough to stand out in conditions like this. Something for TJF/club to call out Morton on re decent facilities for fans on days like today? Long shot I know but shouldn't be.
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5 minutes ago, fenski said:
We won it because of a very decent free kick from Turner and great perseverance from Chalmers. O'Reilly or Chalmers my MOTM.
Fitzpatrick worked his socks off to track back a couple of times, not like the guy with the glasses who spewed hatred at him all game would've noticed.
Chalmers was awful first half. Pretty sure he was at fault for their goal? But yes he did create our second. Nb megwa is not a left back....
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Awful performance today. Not sure how we won that, but obviously take it.
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8 hours ago, Bobbyhouston said:
Considering waist size 32 your mind is up your arse
Spooky. Equals your IQ.
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2 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
The Shareholding simply means that TJF are not solely the vehicle for holding the Board to account - last AGM not a peep from them
TJF have 1800 Members - they dont represent all the support ( despite then clearly acting as though they do )
Of course anything not supporting TJF is nonsense - same as them going along with omitting key info on losses from Financial Statements is “ nonsense”
Its the same old argument - TJF are the voice of the Fans - so you have to join them or you wont have a say
TJF are in charge of PTFC - all key decisions are made by them - they got there £1MN lets see how they get on running the Club
In what way have you not had your say? You are right on one thing, TJF are the de facto voice of the fans and the vast majority of the fans ( TJF members or not ) appear very content with that. That is clearly extremely galling to you, but perhaps now is the time to be patient and see what happens next. You have definitely had your say....
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9 hours ago, laukat said:
If we win our 3 games the gap won't have grown. Now that Livingston have won tonight my estimate of needing 6/7 points from the next 3 already looks an underestimate.
Form guides are interesting but ultimately a manager is judged on meeting his objectives. This season, from everything I have read, the objective was promotion. Winning the league already looks remote. Getting through the playoffs is unlikely and really unlikely unless we finish 2nd. When you add that the budget Doolan has been given and the income lost due to early cup exits we really need to be finishing 2nd minimum.
The managers record for this season is
P16 W7 D5 L4
If he gets 6 points it will be
P19 W9 D5 L5
AT which point we could be 10 points behind Livingston and 12 behind Falkirk. Does that look like we are capable of meeting this seasons objectives? Do we really expect Doolan to make a better fist of it next season when his budget will be less in cash terms bit all less competitive relative to other teams in the league ? If not is not time to look elsewhere?
Irrespective of points and league position, we have a budget deficit. How would you fund a new manager and pay of Doolan? Anyway if we win all 3 games the picture may be a bit better. As always impossible to tell. Bottom line is the pressure on the manager is rising.
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1 hour ago, Jag said:
I think there is one in particular, who relies on pace, that is further away from where he should be than anybody else. However, the squad as a whole isn't fit enough. Teams run all over us.
It's amazing how much more quality and skill a player has when he can get to the ball quicker, have better reactions, gain another half yard of pace and not be so fatigued during a match that it leads to mistakes.
Is there any statistical evidence to show the team is less fit than others? I don't know either way. I seem to remember under mccalls tenure we were being told ( by fans ) we were not fit enough. Also in the season when we almost/should have went up, we were quite clearly a very fit team ( or arguably just better ), so why would that change under the same manager? I'd say it's more likely the personnel rather than the training regime.
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7 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
There are Seven Directors - three Trust " Nominees" two Elected Trust Reps - one Investment Director - one Skills based Director - TJF have made it clear that they will decide on the Board Mix - how many Directors with Commercial Experience & how they are recruited / Vetted - the Statement on this came from TJF Chair - not the Club Board
Same with Finances - TJF Chair stated how they would be run in the Future - not the Club Board
TJF stated there three Year Target Plan to Breakeven - not the Club Board
TJF stated the requirement of levels of Cash Reserves - not the Club Board
We are a Commercial Business - not a Co-operative - until such times as the legal structure of the Club Changes - the Club Board run the Club - we are Fan Owned - Not Fan Run
If we want to go down the Co-operative Route - I'm sure TJF would be more than Happy to expand there "Three Year Breakeven Plan" and along with the current proposed 9 Committees - we can add a Sub Committee to the Secretive "Football Committee" for the Five Year Agricultural Plan - with Workers Communal Farm Targets for Wheat Production on the Bing - in Fairness the TJF NKVD Hit Squads already effectively Target any potential Fan Ownership dissidents online
Fan Ownership is not the issue - TJF Controlling every aspect of the Club and Controlling Board Decisions is the issue ( and hence why we are in a mess )
So we are either Fan Owned - with an experienced Board Running the Club - as a Sustainable Business Model - or we are Fan Run ( as we are now ) pandering to the various Agendas of the Multiple Pressure Groups & TJF making key announcements as to our future direction ( rather than the Club Board )
Interesting you commented on the bing. A mess that was created by all those Directors, with their respective skill sets and capability. Well done chaps. Good job.
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5 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:
There are Seven Directors - three Trust " Nominees" two Elected Trust Reps - one Investment Director - one Skills based Director - TJF have made it clear that they will decide on the Board Mix - how many Directors with Commercial Experience & how they are recruited / Vetted - the Statement on this came from TJF Chair - not the Club Board
Same with Finances - TJF Chair stated how they would be run in the Future - not the Club Board
TJF stated there three Year Target Plan to Breakeven - not the Club Board
TJF stated the requirement of levels of Cash Reserves - not the Club Board
We are a Commercial Business - not a Co-operative - until such times as the legal structure of the Club Changes - the Club Board run the Club - we are Fan Owned - Not Fan Run
If we want to go down the Co-operative Route - I'm sure TJF would be more than Happy to expand there "Three Year Breakeven Plan" and along with the current proposed 9 Committees - we can add a Sub Committee to the Secretive "Football Committee" for the Five Year Agricultural Plan - with Workers Communal Farm Targets for Wheat Production on the Bing - in Fairness the TJF NKVD Hit Squads already effectively Target any potential Fan Ownership dissidents online
Fan Ownership is not the issue - TJF Controlling every aspect of the Club and Controlling Board Decisions is the issue ( and hence why we are in a mess )
So we are either Fan Owned - with an experienced Board Running the Club - as a Sustainable Business Model - or we are Fan Run ( as we are now ) pandering to the various Agendas of the Multiple Pressure Groups & TJF making key announcements as to our future direction ( rather than the Club Board )
Word soup.
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Now if only we could ship out a few posters in January for being " brutal ". I know who many would vote for.
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12 minutes ago, Jag said:
100% this. Any able bodied person is able to get fit.
The players should be the fittest they possibly can be. If they aren't, you have to ask the reason why.
I don't think our problem is fitness ( bar one player ). It's quality and skill, that's more the issue.
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2 hours ago, laukat said:
Our next 3 games are Airdrie, Queens Park and Morton. If we have any hope of getting in the top 2 places then we need full points from those games. If he does then then he should continue
Realistically if we got 6 or 7 points then we won't be closing any ground on the top 2 and we will at best be around the same position with less than half the season to go.
So counter questions - if we are still 7 points off Livingston and 9 points off Falkirk (I'm assuming we win our game in hand) at the end of December do you accept we are unlikely to get promotion and we should be looking at replacing the manager? If the gap has grown by end of December is that not time to immediately change course?
That could still be the case if we win all three games. So you would be questioning the manager when we in theory have went w 7 l1 d 1. Really? Think I have my sums right.
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40 minutes ago, Bobbyhouston said:
Can’t help thinking he need Scottish slimmers and a gastric band
I don't know why Bobby but in my mind your a guy who likes a donut or two. Or is my imagination playing tricks?
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Its pretty obvious this team is far too inconsistent to be a genuine promotion contender. If Falkirk do flounder, Livvy will win it, only because they are a well organised, difficult to beat team. Ayr dont have a strong enough squad. I don't think Doolan will survive another play off failure ( I still think we will make that ) and always remember when funds are tight, we won't replace the manager until the end of the season. Could a new manager get more out these players....I'm far from certain of that.
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Just now, dl1971 said:
Stuart Bannigan player manager.
That was a joke. Honest
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10 minutes ago, laukat said:
Falkirk's result today just adds to the frustration from last night. Its almost impossible for Falkirk to maintain the results they have had so far and they will lose more points but we just don't have the edge required to take points when it matters. Livingston do and I suspect they are more likely to catch Falkirk than anyone else.
Last season we struggled to get any points from the top 2 (Dundee United and Raith) this season we are not really any closer.
We aren't far away from the position in 22/23 when McCall got punted (i.e. manager given large budget to win league but nowhere near target by turn of the year) and arguably we are now in a worse position (McCall was 7 points off top when sacked, Doolan has us currently 12 points off top and 7 points off second) however I don't sense that Doolan is under pressure and I don't get why not?
Before JJ gets excited, I liked McCall but I don't want him back. I just don't get why we are showing so much patience with Doolan. If we are going to be a serious football club we need to be more hard nosed on decision making.
Stuart Bannigan player manager.
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5 minutes ago, Third Lanark said:
Your the one harping on. I’ve criticised plenty of the players this season. The team and management as a whole this season have for the most part been shocking.
Injury was 10 years ago and has never fully recovered- my point being he underservedly continually gets new contracts.
That's an opinion about the contracts, but your the one who has harped on about that for God knows how long....however my point is....you insinuated he only tries when a contract is in the offing. Frankly that's just plain wrong.
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5 minutes ago, Third Lanark said:
Bannigan had more than 2 seasons out with injuries. The club has more then backed him. He would have been away first chance he got to Aberdeen which is fair enough. But pretty much every season since he has spent much of it being injured.
In the last year and a half he has had about 5 or 6 decent games. The others have contributed far more. It’s because of the likes of you he is our most overrated player.
As for the pile on for Bannigan - what a joke, you know fine well rightly or wrongly Fitzpatrick is getting flack far more than Bannigan and even Doolan.
Your losing the plot. Just because some posters don't agree with your critique of Bannigan, he is overrated? The fact you have went into ancient history about his injury 10 years ago, simply suggests you have a long term grudge against him, while ignoring the rest of the team who came up short last night ( and other games this season ). For the record who has contributed far more this season? Remember not to overrate....
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1 hour ago, Third Lanark said:
Well where has Bannigan been the last year and a half- yea last 4 or 5 games before last night he has been great(like everyone else was awful last night) but the last year and a half he’s been injured or been distinctly average.
Jyst a coincidence his improved form comes towards when he is out of contract
Aye so it is. Imagine having the cheek to be injured. Like Robinson, Lawless, Milne have never missed a game....oh and add in Dan O'Reilly and Ashcroft. To say he only is improving because of a potential contract is in the Bobby Houston book of stupid comments.
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Always makes me laugh when there is an attempted pile on for Bannigan, conveniently ignoring the fact that it's a team game. Also the lack of basic football acumen is pretty startling. How about we look at a few others who did not cover themselves in glory last night....ashcroft and oreilly gave the ball away countless times with I'll judged punts. Turner was anonymous, even though he is played out of position, I expect better. Crawford...well. He barely touched the ball. Unlike bannigan he doesn't seem to show for the ball. Fitzpatrick had a shocker ( again ). I'd argue a waste of a jersey when it gets physical. Presumably Chalmers was injured and was subbed for that reason. Sayers ill excuse but he looked out his depth. Ablade doesn't look like he has goals in him. Graham and Robinson weren't terrible. The only minor plus for me was that Stevie Lawless got some minutes. Finally mcbeth showed again he not the answer in midfield. Right now I agree the midfield is bang average, but the least of our worries is Bannigan. FTR when Turner has played in midfield he's not excelled to date.
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All about winning. Can't believe some people post....before the 90 mins are up. Always a laugh