Jag36

Would you agree that the situation around Dundee's vote requires further investigation as there is evidence to suggest interference in the process? And that the SPFL strongly weighted the voting process in favour of the resolution being passed?

The point is you buy yourself some time to consider options and build a consensus. It was far to early to rush into such a big decision without thorough examination of the implications. No club would have gone bust if they had waited a week or two to have some proper discussions.

Not buying this..they asked for the vote clearly to be submitted by the Friday. The 28 days was in the small print of an extensive document that they were given only 2 days to review. The SPFL totally pushed for this and weighted everything in the favour of the vote going through. You can't say you're just an administrator of a members organisation when it suits..and then also clearly act to heavily influence and interfere with the voting process

They could have paid out money based on their lowest possible position straight away and bought some time. The 'season' had just stopped and no way any club was just going to instantly go bust. They gave clubs 2 days to decide at that early stage in a developing situation that they had to end the season basically giving them the ultimatum pass this resolution or you're not getting prize money. Why the rush? Why did Doncaster say he would keep bringing it back until it went through. What was the SPFL's actual agenda here?

Think there are really just two issues here. The voting process- was there interference, was all information provided on which to base a decision- was this information ' truthful' - the SPFL maybe a members organisation but its articles/rules/voting processes.. whatever must be in line and comply with Scottish law... If no 'procedural laws' were broken then does the resolution passed comply with competition, employment laws ect. If not what is the remedy..compensation, unull the resolution. My point is whether a different solution would have been better or worse is largely irrelevant now. So is whether the SPFL are fit for purpose and whether clubs acted out of self interest cause none of that will matter in court

Listened to that too. They seemed determined to push it through at all costs. The question really needs to be asked why? Who benefits? Why the rush to call the season so prematurely when there were clearly other options? Why blackmail clubs into backing the proposal based on it being the only way prize money could be paid out when again there were clearly other options? Why only give clubs 2 days to make such an important decision when there was clearly no rush or immediate financial danger. The SPFL can go on about how its a members organisation and they basically just administrate it( when it suits them) but they clearly had an agenda, which can't be explained by the need to pay out prize money ,so begs the question what was it...?

Probably based on potential loses of being relagated and staying in the lower league for say 5 years. Loses of prize money, gate revenue, sponsorship ect. "Take our medicine" as McGregor the Ross County chair said- if you accept that as a Thistle fan then good luck to you. But im not going on this forum to pretend im a great legal mind.They have obviouisly had profesional advice there is a case here..also this case is of course going to be very public, so the idea that a QC would take it on knowing there is no case even to begin with and risk their repuatation has little merit. Im getting behind it!

Had no idea there were so many great legal minds on this forum either. Been going to games for about 30 years and im so disillusioned ( not suprised) with the greed and self interest that Scottish Football has responded to this crisis with I don't think I can watch a game in the same way again. Totally happy for Thistle & co to drag this through the courts now. Even if nothing more is achieved than to inconvience a lot of people and expose the failings of clubs and the SPFL along the way

Hope it suceeds but even if not its the right thing to do. Greed and self interest trumped any attempt at fairness at a time of crisis so these clubs and the SPFL(hopefully) deserve everything thats coming to them. Also hope the corrupt initial voting process is exposed along the way!

Findlay is totally clueless. Thought he was a Lawyer. At one point he talks about 'new technology' a device thats reads peoples temperatures..to detect coronavirus as if this could be the answer- although this has already been widely discredited as an effective means of 'testing'. Its embarrasing and Tom English totally exposes how incoherent his arguements are..

Suggest listening to Donald Findlays reasons for voting against reconstruction on todays Scottish football radio scotland podcast it is absolutely laughable. He is unable to give any logical reason and is a total hypocrite- worth a listen.

Suppose the idea was to show a bit of solidarity with the other clubs unfairly relegated( that 'somehow' excludes Brechin) with a solution that would be fair for all. Very happy for Hearts just to drag this through the courts now at the cost of other clubs. At a time when most organisations are trying to find ways to help each other out..scottish football has been a total disgrace. Their unwillingness to accept the slightest inconvience, while still, from what i've seen incredibly ungratefully accepting, a substantial donation. Think Hearts etc. might actually have a case so hope the greed that has overiden any fairness comes back at them

Good statement but appealing to clubs sense of decency is pointless. One thing thats clear from this whole thing is finance is all these clubs care about- hanging onto every last penny that may come their way. The threat of a financial penalty through court action is the only way any change is going to happen.

Wasn't a fan of court action at first but think clubs have been given every opportunity now to do the right thing( with very little impact to themselves, in fact many would probably benefit) but haven't. They have also been given a significant donation and still do nothing to give anything back. Tired of the 'self interest' arguement too..as if somehow its not quite right but thats just the way it is..This is more than self interest- its actively making decisions to damage other clubs. Would be totally in favour of dragging this through the courts now!

Bit of good news..Scott Fox has invoked his relegation clause and is off. Exactly the kind of guy we don't need at Thistle at the moment. At a time when having a secure contract is a priority for most players thats a bold move

Why would somebody donating money ever want Celtic, Rangers etc. to take an equal share? Rangers have just spent 3m on Hagi but there you go have an extra 50,000 of another millionaires money..utterly ridiculous. Why would this person even want to make their donation now! Its a drop in the ocean for them but could be the difference between survival or not for a lower league club.Their greed is shameless. This money should have been split between the lower league clubs as an emergency fund for those clubs in desperate need- on a means tested basis. Initially the money was meant for the lower leagues so why this change. No need for the SPFL to even be involved- money could be donated to clubs directly that needed it through a seperate fund. Think this again raises questions, along with the SPFLs sudden push for a 14 team league. Was this money actually no strings attached as Anne Budge insisted? Or did the SPFL possibly 'suggest' split it with the top flight too and we can maybe help you out with a 14 team league...

This is exactly the sort of thing we need to be thinking about. With maybe a 'entry fee' for games that is similar to the price of a normal admission (sustainability of clubs is what this needs to be about). Of course it wouldnt be the same but im sure lots of fans would be happy to pay there 20 quid every fortnight or two( or buy a virtual season ticket) for a season to watch their team online and help the game survive. And it wont be like that forever. Of course this is planning for worse case scenario without fans until next year and hope it doesnt come to that but we should be coming up with contingency plans as there are options and not just be saying leagues cant be played

The only way scottish football is going to survive just like most industries is to adapt. Clubs live streaming games with quality productions as a subsitute for actually going to games seems to be a good option. I'd pay my £20 to watch a Thistle behind closed doors home game on TV streamed for a season if it waa going to help the club survive and scottish football. Its time to adapt for now because the options are limited. Might not be ideal but survival of the club and the game is the most important thing

Apparently Doncaster says that it will be the clubs that suffer if legal action is taken against the SPFL. Does that make the SPFL untouchable..?! Seems pretty threatening language. Reckon this is close to reaching a tipping point

Thats exactly what he said. Hes was told no play offs could take place because the season hadn't been completed but as you say relegation could. Seems they can just pick and choose what rules to stick with depending on what suits them.

Seems totally obvious now that the reconstruction was just a smokescreen for Dundee to change their vote. Seems utterly bizzare the SPFL determination to force this through at all costs. The ship may have sailed on this debate but does raise the question who and how do they benefit from it.Bonus payments for excecutive members when the new deal kicks in....?

Chairmen appoint the wrong managers all the time and it doesn't get this response- stand by my point its disproportainate. Always thought there must be more to it and i'd missed something but if thats what it is then thats all i need to know

If thats it seems a bit disproportionate..get the bit about not engaging enough with fans. But Caldwell seemed a reasonable appointment at the time ( though not a fan of him) and they did back him with funds. It did turn out to be the wrong appointment but that can happen and the fact that Colin Weir showed faith in her must at least must indicate that she has the best interest of the club at heart. Think the dislike of JLow on this forum seems a bit over the top. From a Thistle fan of 30 years

Out of interest whats the big problem with JLow? Can someone please explain this to me cause feel i have missed something.

Interesting listening on sportsound..apparently as Dundee had the deciding vote- if it had been recieved( no) then it would have been called(as the threshold had been reached) and that would of been it final. Basically they would of been unable to retract it and change their mind. Therefore the argument that Dundee could of retracted their vote and change it,whether it had been recieved or not,within 28 days kind of falls apart.