Jag36

Whats going on with Scottish football..?! No other league seems to have had these problems. No suprise really ... from the way the whole situation has been handled from the top to bottom This now needs some intervention from the SFA and SPFL..fines suspension, docked points etc. for clubs whos players break the rules

Totally sums up scottish football, selfish players, selfish clubs, lack of leadership. Couldn't even make it two weeks without a game called off..don't remember this happening in the 'top flight' anywhere else. What a Joke.

Agree and the 'Family' part just doesnt sit right with me. We are here to compete like every other club ,and that just softens it. By their nature football clubs and fans have a rapport but if you don't perform ultimately you will lose your job. So this 'Family' idea seems to add another dimension of almost unaccountability for failure that i don't think is right for a football club

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Just a small point..but wish they would stop calling it the PTH family. I've been going to games for over 30 years...but its a football club so please just call it that

Think once it went to arbitration it was never going to happen

Haha don't pretend you had some great insight. It was always more likely this was the way it was going to go but given its a Thistle forum the majority of people are probably going to argue our case. The idea you 'called it' with your great legal mind and insight is laughable.

Pretty sure this is not what the courts were getting at when they said the issue would be best resolved within the game. Looks like this could end up back in court depending on the SFA punishment..and sure that wont go down well- and yes WJ this is just speculation.. Anyway im pretty much done with Scottish Football and Football in general. Greed, self interest, the old firm...corporate football, instagram footballers, VAR.. i could go on Im out!!

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/18562648.glasgow-city-blown-away-james-anderson-generosity-champions-league-gesture/ This is how you accept a donation..with gratitude..the men's game could learn a lot

It was the majority of clubs that set the rules.. everyman for himself, greed and self interest so we're just playing by their rules. There were opportunities for alternatives such as 14-10-10-10 that would have had a relatively insignificant impact on clubs, but they were totally dismissed from what i can see whithout any credible explanation. Think Thistle in particular are a genuinely decent club but we're totally in the right to fight this injustice.

Possibility of Doncaster and Nelms ending up in the dock..that would great

Definitely adds to the debate. He's confirmed he comes from a legal background which was totally obvious so don't think theres any need to know anymore. Thats totally fair don't think anyone else on this forum would be happy to start disclosing personal information

Agree

Don't agree with most of his points but posting from his legal perspective is fine with me. Makes for an interesting debate, even though the way he states his opinions comes across as gospel

The plot thinkens..

Just a theory but may be to do with trying to get as many clubs on board as possible to increase the threat of expulsion. Knowing Thistle/Hearts may have to withraw their case if this became a real possibility

Football is more than just a business if you don't understand then thats your loss. They weighted the vote in favour of it going through. Not disclosing information, setting a massively premature deadline( before even allowing the furlough scheme to be fully announced) and giving the resolution little time for proper consideration. Took advantage of a situation where clubs were in fear for their futures basically saying only voting for this will allow you access to prize money- we will see in court if this was in fact the case. In no way did it become academic. If there was interference that broke the SPFL's rules and precedures, and/or scots law then that can and will not be overlooked

Of course it has but I have very little faith in the SPFL to be transparent and honest as a result of their actions so i decides not just to take what they say at face value. Has it ever occurred to you that they have not acted honestly with integrety and are motivated more by bonus's and payments, serving the rich powerful few above protecting and enhancing the game as a whole . At a time of crisis instead of showing leadership and building consensus they have promoted division serving self interest and greed over any genuine attempt at fairness. Lost any trust in the SPFL the moment they pushed through the vote and failed to adequately address the legitimate concerns around Dundee's vote.

Don't think he said "one of the ways"..pretty sure it was more along the lines of..clubs have beenrequesting documents- we've been given legal advice that these documents can't be disclosed....Unless! you become a party in the dispute AND we'll offer you legal assiatance. Seems to be a trend developing here in the way the SPFL conduct themselves-We can't release the prize money..BUT if you do what we want and vote for this resolution( as there is no other way..because we are not interested in examining other options) its all yours! But remember we are just here to administrate as this is a members organisation. Now can i have my £400,000 a year salary please

Scottish football set the tone here..self interest, everyman for himself.. so we're just playing by their rules

Bit of a pattern with the SPFL..voting for our resolution is the only way to get prize money (without any meaningful review of other options)...Now- supporting us in court is the only way to access these documents... Convienient that the 'legal advice and conditions attached' always seem to support exactly what the SPFL want.

The SPFL seems to specialise in "limited routes"

You're right we don't know the contents of the letter but given the way the SPFL have handled things over the last few months, and Thistle/ Hearts reaction, i'm going to speculate its "underhand". We will see. I know how you like to gather accurate info though..so I'm sure Doncaster will be on the radio to clear things up and you can take that as 100% the truth because thats a reliable source of unbias information, right...

Definitely! Just really demonstrates why this had to go to court. Seems like more underhand tactics from those who are supposed to show leadership in our game. Instead promoting division. Wonder why they are so worried....

Probably didn't think he had to put such specific restrictions in place..forgeting it was Scottish football he was dealing with