Jag36

Just a thought..and pretty much contradicting my earlier point about lack of a legal case. But why not just wait til the money is paid out then take legal action? Surely paying out the money doesnt suddenly exempt the SPFL from any legal comeback

Not really sure what the legal case here is anyway. Once a NO vote was submitted it could be retaracted and changed within the 28 days. So whether the SPFL recieved it or not probably in legal terms is irrelevant. No doubt the whole process was dodgy and there were most likely dodgy dealings going on in the background- but this would have to proven as 'illegal' rather than just a form of lobbying. No doubt the process was heavily weighted in favour of a Yes vote- but the majority of clubs agreed to this- so again not sure where the legal point would be. No doubt its incredibly unfair but would a long legal case get the desired outcome- seems unlikely

Don't disagree with you there. Would imagine the chances of winning a legal battle, its cost, and financial impact of relegation have all been weighed up too. Dont get me wrong im not happy about this but we have totally been put in an impossible position. Seems like all the other clubs that were up for fighting this too have disappeared off the radar

Totally agree with the Thistle statement. We have totally been backed into a corner and because we are a good decent club we have decided that we dont want to put anybodys livelihoods at risk ( this includes non-playing staff) - which is what would have happened due to the situation the SPFL have created if we took legal action. We have EVERY RIGHT to do so. Its not about having 'baws'- we were put in an impossible position and the fact we are a good decent club means we couldn't go down the legal route. Proud to be a Thistle fan and lets hope we start getting the credit we deserve for this- cause as it stands we have come out of this worse thsn anyone else.

Anyone remember that time when Rangers said they had a whistleblower etc etc. Well that turned out to be nothing

Don't disagree with you there. The whole process has been corupt and a mess. Even if the outcome is no relegation for thistle the SPFL still have to be held to account. Was just making the point that maybe relegation is not inevitable

Talk is of a 14 team top flight. If Hearts and Hamilton are on the taskforce then there will be no relegation. Dundee utd and ICT promoted to make 14. Dundee miss out - possible carrot of 2 automatic promotions next year( who knows) for which Dundee would likely be favourites But that leaves an 8 team championship- unless they decide to promote 3 from league 1, which is unlikely. Then it will be 2 from league 1 with thistle avoiding relegation to make up the 10 Presumably a highland and lowland league team will make up the league 2 numbers. Ultimately you need to bring in two new teams to the SPFL to avoid any relegation with a 14 top flight Could be totally wrong the way things are going. But maybe all is not lost yet

Thought it might go that way

Well lets hope so but wouldnt be too sure

Doesn't really matter whether its referring to us or not( although it definitely is) it was totally right to expose what had gone on. Seems like either by luck or some dodgy dealings Dundee are now in a position of control- and their quite enjoying it. The morally right thing to do would have been to just resubmit their vote- they have no high ground. And sorry but ' the world has seen' - people are interested in Scottish footbal but lets not get carried away- who writes these statements!

Im i missing something here or does the motion not just need 8 out of 10 yes votes to pass? Therefore whether we vote Yes, No or nothing doesnt actually matter cause if Dundee vote yes then motion is passed as 8 out of 10 Yes votes has been achieved. Us retracting our vote makes no difference and wont hold anything up

We certainly don't. Doesn't look like us withdrawing over vote would have any bearing. Think in this respect Dundee hold all the cards

You could be right..but think the rules were that once you've submitted a vote it can't be changed. Hence why the Dundee vote was 'never recieved' rather than they just retracted it. Could be wrong there though. Also if Dundee voted Yes that would meet the required threshold to finalise the league anyway because ours is a No vote so dont think it would hold anything up unfortunately.

No it wouldn't..its the fact Dundee have the deciding vote that gives them the leverage

Have Uefa insisted on leagues finishing to finalise champions league places? Not from what i've heard. And why would any team have to go into administation if loans are available without the league needing to be finalised at the moment. Think the answer probably lies closer to home and with the powerbrockers in Scottish football. Celtic want 9 in a row- might just be as simple as that. Rangers influence in Scottish football was diluted years ago

Theres another bigger point now though about fairness transparency and confidence in the SPFL as an organisation. If it emerges that there were underhand dealings going on and the vote was 'fixed' then just like any governance or organisation how can there be any confidence in them as a fit and proper organisation in their current form to be in charge of Scottish Football.

Setting a precedent for the Premier League to finish..payouts to SPFL board members and executives..you're right that is what it all comes back to!

Exactly and would imagine they've spent the last few days trying to figure away out this. Excellent timing too by Thistle as it would appear Dundee are very close to slyly changing their vote. Looks like the SPFL tactic is just going to be to push it through and try to ride it out- so the more pressure the better!

Good point..and a lot of clubs apparently only voted for the proposal based on releasing the funds so if they are shown the loans were available in the first place and this information wasn't made available at the time- sure this won't go down well and will indicate further that whole voting process was heavily weighted in favour of shutting down the league

Worryingly seems like the corupt voting process is already being forgotten in all this. Nelms didn't just change his mind. Dundee voted NO- the deciding vote! then were clearly targeted to change their mind. Hence the never recieved vote then subsequent firewall BS excuses etc. The rules were also set so you can change your mind on a No vote but not a Yes one- why? Probably for these exact circumstances. Hope Rangers have something cause this is dodgy and cant just be sold as Dundee having a change of heart

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dramatic-detail-dundee-missing-vote-21851274

Think from the sportsound discussion..the Dundee secretary had sent it but it was 'apparently' never recieved. Instead of resending it with a NO they were told as it hadn't been recieved they would be able to change their position. Obviously a lot of dodgy dealings go on in the background at this stage and would imagine Dundee were targeted as they were the most likely to be persuaded to change their position.

Convienient that the deciding vote was never recieved. This is so dodgy. Follow the money and bet they'll find that Doncaster and his cronies were set to benefit from the league being called

Like i said before why not just pay out the lowest amount possible that teams could recieve. For example if Dundee Utd could mathematicaly finsish third..- pay them that amout now and adjust upwards later depending on whether the league resumes, is called or restructured. This seems totally sensible and will give clubs the financial support they need in the meantime. Why is scottish football so determined to rush ahead with this when they're are clearly other options available.

Why not pay out the money based on lowest possible league position that any club can finish with the number of games to go. At least this would help keep clubs going and then can be adjusted depending on whether the season resumes or is called. Seems sensible, though am i missing something here?