Jag36

No way i'd trust them with that sort of power after the mess they have made of this. Clear leadership- you must be joking and don't tell me its been the clubs and they haven't had enough control.. with their 'limited' powers they managed to totally divide scottish football- not a chance.. scrap the current SPFL board set up as it is..and start again.

Credit to James Anderson but he forgot he was dealing with Scottish Football

Well said. I think James Anderson is perfectly capable of giving money to the charities that he chooses. This money was meant for clubs that were struggling not a 50k top up across the board. He probably had some assurances from the SPFL and faith that the money would be used as desired without puttinģ specific restrictions in place. I totally support clubs giving money to charity. But use your own money and not someone elses to make yourself look good. Now he's in the impossible position that if he came out and criticised their use of the money he himself would be made to look bad. Back in the pot is how i understood it

Predictable

Dont dispute that. Has it been used in the best way to help the clubs that will be most effected by this crisis (which surely was the purpose) debatable..! The charity part is a different issue. By all means if Celtic want to donate then go for it but match that then double it

Celtic can afford to donate their own money to charity. Sure he is a rich man as is Peter Lawell -and sure you'll tell me hes very charitable too which im sure he is. Like i said im not trying to deny money to charity but this money was primarily given on the basis to support scottish clubs. If you want to donate to your associatted community charities which i of course fully support come together and set up a fund to do it . Like the English Premiership( Henserson etc.) but of course on a much smaller scale. Like i said what doesnt sit right with me is clubs using someone elses money to make themselves look good, especially when they can clearly afford just to put in a matched donation themselves

I know..thought it had been accepted in a very ungrateful way in general by Scottish Football. But using someone elses money to make yourself look good just really sums up the moral vacuum that is scottish football. Like i said- donate your own money to charity or donate the 50k then double or treble it!!

Am i missing something.. Celtic etc. donated their donation to charity- surely James Anderson is perfectly capable of donating to charity himself. Do you deserve praise for donating someone elses money to charity. Donate your own!! Think money was donated to help save clubs. Im not trying to take away from charities but thats why it was donated. They could have put it back in the 'pot' and used as an emergency fund on a means tested basis.

Don't totally disagree with you but don't accept that we're totally beaten. Think a court case is worth pursueing even just to expose failings and hopefully as an organisation and football 'community' learn from them. Also its difficult for change to happen if you just accept your beaten when you have clearly been treated unfairly. The other clubs had options that would have had a relatively insignificant impact on them compared to the damage done to 'relegated clubs' ,such as 14-10-10-10, that they totally rejected. From what i can see out of nothing more than greed and self interest at the expense of any attempt at fairness. So given the legal case is funded I fully support this option.

Just out of interest..forgetting the legal arguements for a moment. Do you think it is morally wrong for teams to be relegated( and all the implications that come with that) through this process and not on the field of play? Just interested

Exactly..thats why you don't rush into a decision. You see how the situation develops. Im not talking months but don't ask clubs to make a decision in 2 days without giving reasonable time to see how things develop (e.g Furlough)

What a shame that would be

Doesn't need to be "barefaced lies" the fact Doncaster has a vested interest means its entirely plausible that he might not be completely truthful. Definitely wouldn't be taking him at his word( on the radio) and sure no court would either

It was only 'urgent' because the SPFL took no time to consider other possibilities. Whether any laws have been broken we will see. But as an organisation they have made a total mess of this. They made no attempt at fairness and to protect clubs being damaged through no fault of their own- the fall out from this has been a disaster for Scottish Football at a time when real leadership was needed.

Whether that was the only viable way will now be for the courts to decide- did they disclose all relevant information..we will see

Exactly

Agree but it warrants further investigation and the courts are now the only option as the SPFL refused to grant any kind of meaningful independent investigation. Takes me back to my original point. A lot of the problems that have arisen have stemmed from the SPFL's determination to push this through as quickly as possible which in my opinion was totally unecessary

Would you agree that the situation around Dundee's vote requires further investigation as there is evidence to suggest interference in the process? And that the SPFL strongly weighted the voting process in favour of the resolution being passed?

The point is you buy yourself some time to consider options and build a consensus. It was far to early to rush into such a big decision without thorough examination of the implications. No club would have gone bust if they had waited a week or two to have some proper discussions.

Not buying this..they asked for the vote clearly to be submitted by the Friday. The 28 days was in the small print of an extensive document that they were given only 2 days to review. The SPFL totally pushed for this and weighted everything in the favour of the vote going through. You can't say you're just an administrator of a members organisation when it suits..and then also clearly act to heavily influence and interfere with the voting process

They could have paid out money based on their lowest possible position straight away and bought some time. The 'season' had just stopped and no way any club was just going to instantly go bust. They gave clubs 2 days to decide at that early stage in a developing situation that they had to end the season basically giving them the ultimatum pass this resolution or you're not getting prize money. Why the rush? Why did Doncaster say he would keep bringing it back until it went through. What was the SPFL's actual agenda here?

Think there are really just two issues here. The voting process- was there interference, was all information provided on which to base a decision- was this information ' truthful' - the SPFL maybe a members organisation but its articles/rules/voting processes.. whatever must be in line and comply with Scottish law... If no 'procedural laws' were broken then does the resolution passed comply with competition, employment laws ect. If not what is the remedy..compensation, unull the resolution. My point is whether a different solution would have been better or worse is largely irrelevant now. So is whether the SPFL are fit for purpose and whether clubs acted out of self interest cause none of that will matter in court

Listened to that too. They seemed determined to push it through at all costs. The question really needs to be asked why? Who benefits? Why the rush to call the season so prematurely when there were clearly other options? Why blackmail clubs into backing the proposal based on it being the only way prize money could be paid out when again there were clearly other options? Why only give clubs 2 days to make such an important decision when there was clearly no rush or immediate financial danger. The SPFL can go on about how its a members organisation and they basically just administrate it( when it suits them) but they clearly had an agenda, which can't be explained by the need to pay out prize money ,so begs the question what was it...?

Probably based on potential loses of being relagated and staying in the lower league for say 5 years. Loses of prize money, gate revenue, sponsorship ect. "Take our medicine" as McGregor the Ross County chair said- if you accept that as a Thistle fan then good luck to you. But im not going on this forum to pretend im a great legal mind.They have obviouisly had profesional advice there is a case here..also this case is of course going to be very public, so the idea that a QC would take it on knowing there is no case even to begin with and risk their repuatation has little merit. Im getting behind it!