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Yup! Saw it and amazed Forrester got away with it. Surely Craig Thomson must be accused of bringing the game into disrepute? Truly amazing (as has been said) when you consider what some of our lot have been booked for. Rapidly coming to the opinion that Scottish football really does suck when a player can get away with a couple of tackles like that. Not content with the economic advantage they even get away with murder. Things will always be so until we do away with two giants and the rest pygmies. The pygmies could have a great league, too.

Just watched the "lowlights" again after having been at the match and it was worse even than I had thought at the time. We were truly poor the first half hour but everything, but everything, fell to United. Bounces off our players, rebounds let them in on goal. The first goal was horrific with Dools passing straight to one of theirs in a dangerous area and it was compounded by, I think, Syme getting on the wrong side of the United player. Yup! A young player! They closed us down admittedly but have you EVER seen such weak efforts to hold on to the ball/ ward off a tackle in your life? And then Dools again in the second half losing the ball in the last third before Ryan had his best of what were multiple saves. Please don't blame our goalie. He was our best player by far. We will get better and come through it.

Cannot believe the stick Scully is getting on here. With the efforts of what was in front of him tonight he did extremely well. Some of the passing and giving the ball away in vital areas was as bad as I've ever seen from a supposed top flight team. Truly awful! In truth, as has been suggested by others on here who were actually at the game, he saved us from a real hiding. Lay off the guy and stick to facts, please. Some of our heroes, Dools for example, should be hanging their heads in shame tonight. It can only get better but I fear it might get worse first.

I was in among the Arabs cos I hate a behind the goal view. Right in line with the edge of our penalty area in the first half. Observations ? Big Abs was awful! Did not look fit at all and struggled early on to even kick the ball. Think he had a fresh air one at one point. Ziggy looked absolutely lost at centre half. Booth was all over the place. And we were back to the trick we.mastered a couple of seasons ago. A complete failure of the defence to relate to anything in front of them. They ran over the top of us but, in honesty were no great shakes. You could have had double deck buses move through our defence at times, and moving none too quickly either which would have been in keeping with the pace of our back line. Looking at it objectively they all looked as if they were recovering from a night on the piss. Given that that was certainly NOT the case what was wrong? It really needed at the outset some strength in the middle of the park because their runners were having a ball charging unhindered through the channels. and we managed to make Obedayi look like a world beater. Our penalty DID look a penalty - the defender was all over Erskine. And I wouldn't blame Scully. He had some great saves, the one in the second half low to his left was world class. We missed the partnership at the centre of the defence which has been growing, Devine and Lindsay. Dread to think what a good team might have done to us. But we'll move on and this might have happened earlier to us because I remember thinking that if Q of S had had a finisher we would have got done that day as well.

Yeah! The other notable comparison this weekend is that Waghorn's injury was news bulletin stuff and our Liam's never got a mention anywhere and arguably his trouble could cost us a whole lot more than the problem with the Rangers forward. We are tiny and inconsequential yet inhabiting the same league though you would hardly know.

Look at the pic of Archie on the official site in the match reaction section and the guy behind him looks like the Norwich Manager!! Or am I just imagining it? I KNOW he was at Blackburn today!!!

The refereeing was just dire. Every time one of their players fell down he gave them a free kick. And it would appear that a push in the back is now legal. How many of those did he miss? Chic Young, like most of us thought the ref had dropped a clanger when he gave them the Dools offside kick in our half. THEN it seems that the new rule is that the free kick is taken wherever the player makes contact with the ball. I'm fairly sure that he ran back from an offside position in their half to make contact with the ball where they took the kick from. So he might have been right !! But it was one of the few correct decisions he made. What a plonker!

58 for me and it seems a lot longer. I wonder who the longest standing Jagsman is? Probably not on the forum but it would be interesting to find out. I'm sure a nephew or son or grandson would be able to tell us. Now there's an exercise for us!

I agree wholeheartedly on the Derek Ferguson front. He comes over as a warm and knowledgeable man who is a spokesman for the wee teams as well as having fair minded views on the teams that are more likely to win things. Certainly a Rangers man but able to look objectively at a situation most of the time. That he is grammatically challenged does not seem to matter as much in his case. Thompson's start on the radio is extremely promising. I agree that on TV he seemed a bit of a fence sitter but just in the last couple of weeks I have had the feeling that he will develop into a fearless observer with more of a manner about him than Michael Stewart ( I also like Stewart, who, I believe, is not popular among "football people"). I agree about McCann. He is improving by the year and I note that the pundits who "go national" largely (Charlie Nic apart) are those who have a grasp of the English language - Davy Provan is a good example of this and I fully expect Stewart to go further for the same reason though his lack of a national playing profile, relatively speaking,might hold him back. I quite like Willie Miller usually but I had the earphones on at the match last Saturday where he was in attendance and I didn't agree much with his summary of the game. He insisted at several points that we totally dominated and QP offered nothing, forgetting totally Tomas' two wonderful saves and the several corners later on when they looked a bit dangerous. I do quite enjoy the open all mics bit when I am not at a match and I think Richard Gordon holds it all together pretty decently. What I don't like about him is the speed with which he rattles through all the scores - far too quick for this pensioner to take the info on board. I'm surprised nobody has said anything to him about this before. Pretty good coverage overall for a wee country, though, of course, still the horrific OF bias which we'll never stop. And don't get me started on the world from the the Saintees of Perth and the the 'well point of view. It gets worse though I suppose it is the terrible two's only "proper" frame of reference! What about the Jags?!?! We suffer from not having a media oriented manager or a fan who is involved on the media front. Could the very coherent Michael Max get involved somehow?

Looked up the team Clyde played against Killie in the LC and nobody who played then played tonight. So it looks as if all they did was put out a team of youngsters. Strange one for them really.

Yup! I was there on Saturday and it was a bit of a snorefest. I have just watched the video twice and realised that, although Q P were never really in the game Tomas had two really good saves and we could actually have been down. The marking looked awful! And then I remembered Liam losing the ball on the touch line in the second half when he was trying to shepherd the ball out and thought that a better team than QP would have made a lot more of that opportunity. I know we have won our first four games and, yes, many of our good players have still to return....... I am still worried. Is the worry unnecessary or will we be paying for defensive frailty in the first few weeks of the league season and at Tannadice as well? I wasn't at Bath or the other southern fixture but have seen everything else including the three we let in against Dunfermline at the Science Park. Worried! You bet!

What is it about us and injuries just now? Are we made of porcelain to a man? Seems so!

Who will be playing for us? I was at East Kilbride and the team out that night was VERY young. Will the likes of Penrice, McMullin , McCarthy and Nisbet be playing? Anybody know?

Re Azeez and now Pogba. When we are in full flow and running confidently at teams this pair will cause problems at our level. I just wish yesterday we had been a bit more direct. There is a time for more long balls and yesterday was one of them instead of trying to pick our way through nine "dustbins". I'm sure ICT will come at us if all reports are to be believed so it will be a totally different feel to the game next week. Onwards and upwards and I hope we get the halt and the lame all back soon.

Probably. And you could see from the outset that Gus Macpherson had set QP up to avoid a hammering. Makes sense from his point of view but made it quite boring for the supporters.

Yeah! As Archie has said there was no real pace to our play and I think QP gained in confidence and got a few corners later on. On a bad day we might have lost a goal. Remember, too, that Tomas had one really good save in the first half. Erskine was good as was Welsh and Devine was decent. Wee Stevie has been a bit anon in the last couple of games and I hope he is keeping himself fresh to take ICT apart next week. Azeez and Pgs were pretty good when they came on too. We did the job as required and it would be nice to get a wee bit of luck with the draw tomorrow. We don't need ICT or Motherwell at this stage, thanks!

George was quite a boy! No drink or smoking in his life though there was a wee interest in gambling and the opposite gender when he was a youngster. Heard somebody on here who said that his wife's favourite player back in the day was George Smith - good looking man with a flashing smile. He is actually ten years to the day older than me and my boyhood hero. His dad took me to my first Firhill match, a 3-0 reverse to Airdrie!! Look up his record of goals against Celtic, a barrowload! Mind you the 'tic were not the team that the subsequent rewriters of history suggested they always have been. I looked up their league record between the end of WW2 and 1965 when Stein came on the scene and they only won the league ONCE in that period. They were more than once as low as eighth and even eleventh once. You would think now listening to the media and all their supporters that a league win was something they have always done. History proves this to be rubbish. Just like the "massive" crowds on the other side of the city when Greig was the manager. Did we not play them there and the crowd was as low as 2000 odd? Anyway George Smith also won one of the big sprints when at Thistle. Must have been frightening bearing down on you though probably a better runner than a footballer! Sorry if I've got off topic.

It brought back quite a few memories when I read Robert Reid's bit on the official site on a match with Queens Park from 1956. I was still a couple of years short of my first Jags match but the man who was instrumental in starting me off on the Jaggy trail was playing that day and his cousin was in goal, too. I'm talking of George Smith our then twenty year old centre who had just banged in a couple of goals to get us to the League Cup semi in a match against Cowdenbeath. George was like lightning and was a regular winner at sprint meetings and I'm sure he bagged 149 goals for us all told. Can you imagine what a twenty year old scoring goals like that now would be worth? I can report he is still going strong at age eighty and would pass for twenty years younger quite easily. The goalie, his cousin Willie, passed on a couple of years ago, though.

Some of the balls forward by Welsh in particular in that first half hour were sumptuous. Thought he had a very good game and took a couple of dull ones. Really there wasn't a failure. Stenny pushed up on us in the second half and upped their game considerably to the extent I think Azeez was offside about eight times in ten minutes. Very professional win and some slick enjoyable football. Another good thing is how many good players we have who have to come in when injury clears. Enjoyed my evening and a really good Jags support.

I do not see what BT Sport see in games like East Stirlingshire v Rangers and tonight's encounter at Ibrox. I've turned on to both and what a yawn fest. There are a lot of supporters of the Ibrox crew but to pander to them to this extent is a nonsense. The games, as you would expect, are just not competitive. When there are games like ICT away to The Pars they choose encounters like tonight's. What a funny , sad world is the Scottish football version of the game. We have two hairy arsed secondary school teams who play primary school teams week in and week out and the media tries very hard to make it exciting to the rest of the world. Scottish football's reputation cannot be anything but compromised, though, when it's as unequal as have been Friday's and tonight's fare. Till the "big two" find some other league to play in we'll all have to put up with it. Vomit inducing!

Funny thing about Amoo being "meh" on Saturday as has been suggested. Might I suggest he was lacking a bit in confidence because he wasn't fully fit. Anybody who was at the Morton game , in the first half before he had the argument with one of the posts and did himself a mischief, saw that he was sensational. One of the best performances you are likely to see in a Jags jersey. I wonder why sometimes he does what we all want him to do and run at opposition defenders and hit great crosses into the box and at other times he seems timid, runs so far and then lays the ball off or , worse, hits it backwards to a defender? More than anybody there is a huge discrepancy between David at his devastating best and some of his mouse- like performances. I'm sure, overall he is getting better.

The laughable defeat of Hearts by the Maltese "Giants"; Celtic's loss to the cream of Gibralter; Aberdeen's reverse against a pub team...... Yup! It's Scotland in Europe and all its glory again. Allow me to have my tuppence worth then chip in. Pros: 1) we are able to produce good coaches, Stein, Ferguson and regularly since their times we have seen Scottish managers do well in bigger leagues south of the border. 2) we seem to understand "systems" as well as other countries do 3) our fitness levels are comparable with the best 4) we have embraced the more scientific parts required in the modern game like diet, living properly, the mental side etc Cons: 1) individual skills a) ball control - every week I see guys playing at the top level in Scotland who, in the words, maybe exaggerated, of an old pal of mine "couldnae trap a bag o' cement". This I even see in the overpaid and over praised top divisions south of the border. passing - we are poor at it to the extent we are reluctant to give a pass to a team mate in a tight position because we are aware of our own shortcomings and aware of his - see 1a) above. Some passing on a weekly basis is just awful. c) shooting - week in and week out I turn to somebody sitting next to me and ask "what were we told at primary school?" HIT THE TARGET!!! I watch that thing we do in Scotland where in the warm up the players stand in line and the coach throws the ball up in the air and the player takes a touch then almost invariably blasts the ball over the bar or past the post. Somebody explain to me what they are trying to do. I've watched this closely and , even with an unchallenged shot, the percentage of scoring efforts is pitifully low. And I've even heard folk applaud in a match when a player catches the ball well but it sails over the bar!! Why "reward" mediocrity? I love football but my main game for playing has been golf in a long life. I hit millions of practice shots in all types of weather and improved on very little talent to the extent that I won club championships and played the game to county level. I love that game too and I loved practising. I wonder how many of our young footballers put in the effort on these "technical" skills I have mentioned above? It appears that clubs look for big, strong athletes but what about the basic skills? The Spanish, Germans and Dutch players are not born with touch and cleverness. As Gary Player said in the other sport I mentioned "the more I practice the luckier I get". Or maybe it's just the society we have nowadays where people expect something for nothing? Fame for being loud mouthed and foul; for "starring" on reality TV for five minutes? These are the ambitions of the many. Or am I just a dreamer or a dinosaur?

Yup! A must win and our record against them is not exactly stunning. But what I've seen already should be more than enough. It would be good to have Amoo back and in the form he showed at Cappielow before he banged his knee on the post. QoS have been pretty solid in their first two matches according to reports and are a bit of an unknown quantity for us under their new management. Archie said they had had Airdrie watched a couple of times so, presumably, the Doonhamers have had the same vigilance. Can't wait!

Agree with partickthedog that the picture on the official site looks nothing like Keegan but the one on the Evening Times site has a striking resemblance. And I'm sticking with it!

In the photo of our new goalie on the Evening Times website he looks incredibly like the US golfer Keegan Bradley who is doing so well at Royal Troon this weekend. Anybody see the resemblance or is it just me........?