Dick Dastardly

No .... Just 1 club. If Celtic have no confidence in him then Lawwell will have him out PDQ

Question for Woodstock Jag .... If the threats to expel Hearts and Thistle were to be actioned would that, in your opinion, not make our case stronger ? It can't be right for an organisation to expel a member just for taking legal action against them.

I can't see how there can be if there is no one to promote and take their place

How about we turn up in numbers at away games to remind them that we won the court case

That would depend on what the judge says. If he says it is illegal to relegate a club before the predetermined number of fixtures are fulfilled, then yes it would. I'm not saying that is likely, but you can't say it is impossible.

If this does drag on through the courts, we might be able to maintain the 50 year record 1921 - Scottish Cup 1971 - League Cup 2021 - Court case

And what is so fundamentally different in the Scottish legal system that makes us a no hope of success, but Belgian and French clubs in the same situation win ?

How is it going to cost other clubs anything if we have no chance of winning ? They would be awarded costs, so if we lose, as you are confident that we will, then it costs the other clubs nothing.

Why ? They will have screened exactly the same number of games and had exactly the same number of games cancelled. The money owed should be exactly the same. Taking aside the legal arguments as I am not a QC, a Barrister or even a family solicitor, so I am not even going to pretend that I speak with authority. What is a fact is that the only 2 cases which have gone to court, Belgium and France, have been declared illegal and I am sure that many of the arguments will be the same. While they are different legal systems, and therefore not a precedent, I would expect that the basic laws would be very similar. I would hope that our legal team, and Hearts, will have been talking to their counterparts in Belgium and France to see what arguments they put forward.

Or rather than play out the 19/20 season, they could null & void, which would allow 20/21 to start on time. Of course Celtic would then not have 9 in a row which could have implications for us when their neanderthals hear about it.

I think you have some good points, although the Belgian and French cases may carry some weight, they are different legal systems. The question is where does the legal challenge go. If it is the Scottish Courts then your points are all valid. If it goes beyond that to the court for arbitration in sport then there are a very different set of principals and they may make a different decision.

Liquidate the SPFL would have consequences as the sponsorship and tv contracts are with the SPFL. If they go then the so called lucrative contracts get ripped up and negotiation need to be restarted with the new body

We will be taking action against the SPFL, not the individual clubs, so no club will have to pay anything. The clubs are essentially shareholders in the SPFL so they would need to work out how to fund any compensation from future earnings, or liquidate the current SPFL and form a new body (in which case we may come out with just a moral victory)

That was a short hour !

I have long suggested 13-10-10-9 with the premier league and league 2 clubs playing a friendly on their "spare" weekend.

If the relegation is declared illegal and all attempts at reconstruction are over, then I guess it's 12-10-10-10 and no relegation or promotion Poor old Dundee Utd, Raith, and Cove. gutted for them

Well I wasn't expecting that. Get right in tae them

I can tell you now what would happen. The unemployed Neil Doncaster would be given a £500,000 a year contract to lead the formation of a new organisation

So much of this thread is about how other clubs should do what is right for Scottish football and not act in self interest. Therefore, bu reason, we shouldn't stoop to their level and should go en mass to as many away games as we possibly can ... for the good of Scottish football. Or perhaps, sometimes I talk a load of bollocks

Very good point and not one I had thought of. Hearts could easily win and get nothing. Any litigation would be against the SPFL who as you say have no assets worth anything. The clubs are essentially shareholders who could just let the SPFL die and resurrect a new governing body. Assuming this gets rid of Doncaster then perhaps it is a price worth paying

It does beg the question on which is the most likely to have success .... a promotion campaign or a legal case.

There's enough sour grapes around here without your witterings about wine

I'm not disagreeing with you in any way, but (and I am also not a lawyer) If Hearts win, we would have a cast iron case for a follow-up legal action and I bet it wouldn't even get to court. I do think that any legal action would be best if all 3 clubs acted together

There are not too many teams, just not enough fans.

But there would then be a precedent for us to raise a case.... probably settled out of court thus saving cost