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Raith Rovers đľâŞď¸ vs Partick Thistle đ´đĄ
Jordanhill Jag replied to jagfox's topic in Main Jags forum
And funny enough his Contract is up at the end of the Season -
Raith Rovers đľâŞď¸ vs Partick Thistle đ´đĄ
Jordanhill Jag replied to jagfox's topic in Main Jags forum
Frankly heads should roll -
Raith Rovers đľâŞď¸ vs Partick Thistle đ´đĄ
Jordanhill Jag replied to jagfox's topic in Main Jags forum
If either win there games in hand we are in trouble - but the Board will simply go with Graham ( who managed to get sent off last week - funny enough got sent off against Cove under McCall when he was also on the ropes ) There are Junior Managers with more experience than Graham - how anyone thinks managing the Womans Team in anyway qualifies you for Managing a Championship Club is beyond me -
Raith Rovers đľâŞď¸ vs Partick Thistle đ´đĄ
Jordanhill Jag replied to jagfox's topic in Main Jags forum
You could have forecast exactly that âšď¸ -
Raith Rovers đľâŞď¸ vs Partick Thistle đ´đĄ
Jordanhill Jag replied to jagfox's topic in Main Jags forum
Funny that đ¤ -
There is no requirement for a Consultation he shouldn't be there in the first place - his role ended when there was direct elections - its a non position - simply kept because it suited TJF to have â there guyâ on the Board
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Those Israelites eh - awkward buggers And in fairness we have our fair share of Donkeys at left back over the Years - so nothing New
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So what - 6 Months - 12 Months - why does he have to be there once we get elected Reps ? What is he mentoring them ?- passing on some unique Skillset ? Why has his position on the Board been extended by 12 Months - does it take 18 Months for him to help train the Elected Reps ? Why is he still there ? Its hardly Checkmate - there is no justification after direct Elections from the Trust - which the 1800 TJF get a Vote in for there to be a "nominee" Director from TJF Board - none whatsover - beyond TJF using its position for there advantage TJF Members have voted for there Reps on the Board - or is TJF Board "Special" that it gets its own wee cosy nominee also ? So this is Fan Ownership - Direct Elections ( apart from if it means a TJF Director has to step down to be replaced by elected Reps )
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If its temporary - there is no reason for him being there the obvious time to step down was the AGM as the elected reps had been in place for 12 Months - why is he still there ? why do you require a consultation - it was a temporary arrangement - TJF do not have the authority to decide if they get to keep there Director on the Board - the Thistle Trust own the Shares - not TJF as Ive said TJF take any opportunity to promote TJF interests TJF are not PTFC
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No probs
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Why are you "consulting publicly" - there is no valid reason why he should remain if you have elected Directors - he should have stepped down immediately - there is no valid reason why he should still be there - or continue - None - the Invite from the Board to have a TJF Director on it was a Temporary Agreement - it was "negotiated" to be permanent - as TJF call the shots on who goes on the Board - the Board do there bidding Its just one big merry go round
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Or maybe TJF acknowledge that as we have two directly elected reps then there is no need for TJF to have there own special one ? At no point have you made a case why TJF should have a Rep separate from the Elected Reps beyond referring to the Club Trust Agreement that TJF negotiated Genuine Question - why is he there ? TJF are not a shareholder ?
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And it was acknowledged at every point that the Board to replace Jlo was temporary and that there would be direct elections to the Board - but then TJF who negotiated the Corporate Governance Manual - have there own special TJF Board member on the Club Board - funny that the whole concept of Fan Representation on the Board was direct elections from ALL those allowed to vote ( not just TJF Members) but TJF did there wee deal that meant they got there own Special Place on the Board - for no reason whatsover Its not up to TJF members to decide if they should keep there â specialâ Board position As is stated by yourself - TJF DO NOT own the Shares - the Thistle Trust do The Thistle Trust have two elected reps on the Board as majority shareholder TJF have no right to a Director ( apart from cutting a deal on the in the Corporate Governance Manual You asked for an example where TJF used its position to its own advantage - well Ive just given you one there is no good reason why they should have there own â specialâ Club Board Rep - Two Reps were elected from the Majority Shareholder - TJF are not a Shareholder So why have they got a Board Rep ?
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Noted
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It was stated on numerous occasions that the Board that replaced the Jlo Board was temporary - a TJF Nominee was put on that Board - along with Thistle Trust Nominees Then TJF who were heavily involved in various decisions at that time got a TJF Director on the Temporary Board Then the Club Trust agreement appears which was agreed behind closed doors - suddenly rather than Temporary - TJF Director on the Board is permanent - this is despite TWO directly elected Directors to the Board Now why would a Member of the "Club Trust" not simply go with the Two Directly Elected Directors - Why would they ensure one of there Board Members was put on the Club Board as a Nominee ? And of course TJF negotiated the terms of the Club Trust Agreement So Elections are fine ( but TJF will ensure that they don't impact on there Director on the Board ) Even more bizarrely - rather than Directors stepping down to be replaced by Elected Directors we just made the Board Bigger Everything is fine - nothing to see here - move along please đ
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That's fine - but so we are clear - any failures are on TJF - they want to show how Fan Ownership works - then they have exactly that - the Board carry out TJF Instructions ( lets dispose of this - its not TJF its "The Trust" nonsense - the only other "Trustee" is the Jags Trust who have been Moribund for getting on 15 Years) - so the decisions are made by the Board of TJF We are Fan Run - if all the key decisions are signed off by TJF - then we are Fan Run
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I said â you can â which is correct -and TJF first and foremost are there to serve there members ( not the Club ) or non members and Im not party to the detailed discussions between the Board & TJF so how am I expected to name one ? I suppose it would get down to interpretation - if a decision was made because it suited TJF rather than the Club Certainly it was very strongly argued that the post Jlo Board -was temporary -and the nominees were there to get us on an even keel -and TJF and other Trusts got a place on the Board until we established a more permanent Board - but the structure didnt instead we had direct elections for two more Directors to the Board from ALL beneficiaries - but somehow in the Trust Agreement -it appears that what was presumed was s Temporary TJF Rep on the Board -was actually permanent - despite now having two direct elected trust reps on the Board - and of course TJF were front and centre negotiating the Trust Agreement - Im sure it was just coincidence they got there own Special deal for a permanent Director on the Club Board from TJF Board Thing is - I don't remember TJF holding elections for there Club Board Director position ? Must have missed that ?
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Im assuming you were searching the 40 Leagues under the Sea in the hope you could find one we could get promoted from ?
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They pick the Board - via there block vote They have a say in all key Club appointments & decisions They sign off the Club Budget They can block Board decisions if its not in the interests of TJF They set the Finance Ratios that the Club operate under So if we fail - it has TJF hands all over it
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Well Cameron Sharp used to Run up the Hills at the old Jordanhill Campus - dragging a tyre - and he was the European 200m Champion đ¤ˇââď¸ ( Father of Lynsey Sharp ) đââď¸ââĄď¸đđźââď¸ââĄď¸đ´ó §ó ˘ó łó Łó ´ó ż So I applaud TJF on introducing tried and tested Strength & Conditioning Methods used by World Class Athletes -for the First Team đđđ
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Two things First - you run the Club that you can afford - if what we can afford is Part Time in a Lower Division then so be it ( the alternative is to keep spending & go bust ) - what do you think TJF limits on Cash Reserves are ? Second - you assume that we cannot compete and run a balanced budget - thats not the case
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Tranche 1 Tranche 2 - ÂŁ300K donation to the Players Fund and circa ÂŁ200k from Donald Mclymont via other Sponsor donations etc We also had a fan underwriting the cost of the Youth Academy
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Have a Board with the required Business Experience - run the Club on Breakeven - minimise Non First Team overhead - remove any costs that are not 100% focused on getting promoted Recruit from the Thistle Community from people who have the required skills & experience of running Companies Set agreed performance KPIs for the Board - if they don't hit them - then the majority shareholder removes Directors - TJF should have no input beyond that Stop recruiting a Board from the Trusts it doesn't work We had a Chairman with Business Experience & Contacts - he put in his own cash which stopped us going bust -we fired him and we have Trust Nominees and Non Thistle Fans Running the Club instead circa ÂŁ1.5MN of cash invested - and what has been achieved ? So maybe ask TJF what they have done with all this power they have ?
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Thats the point - we are not Fan Owned - we are Fan Run - TJF decide every aspect of PTFC - now for those in TJF this is ok - but thats less than 50% of the Fan Base However - what has to be accepted is that we are rapidly running out of cash - we are going no where -on the park or off it -there is No Plan B - we have had unprecedented levels of cash input and its been blown TJF are 100% responsible for the direction of travel of the Club Its on them if we fail Im not against Fan Ownership - however what we have is going to kill the Club
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TJF ARE the Thistle Trust - stop dancing on the head of a pin to deflect So what - there is an agreement - that doesn't make it healthy & ok - If TJF don't have faith in the Board - replace them TJF control the Club by Controlling the Board - and controlling key decisions and priorities - I don't believe for one second the Club would go against TJF wishes on key staff appointments or anything else for that matter - as TJF would simply over- rule them we fail - its on TJF - they re-elected the Board - so they must be happy with the Direction of travel & priorities of the Club as you know Im 100% for balanced budgets - but how to you square that by re-electing a Board who cant deliver one ? It took yourself at the AGM to request a Nett Zero budget approach - not TJF