Jags Supporters Against Racism And Capitalism

[sigesige00]

Racism is not an official ideology of the capitalist ruling class. However, racism plays a significant role in the attack on the working class movements.

Capitalism has come to the end. The bankruptcy of US major banks and car industry, national bankruptcy of Iceland and Greece clearly tell us that we must transform the society from a capitalist one which is based on the exploitation of labour, into a socialist one which is based on human needs not profit.

In Britain, all major parties (including SNP, of course) are capitalist. We must build a new working class party which is internationalist, revolutionary, and supports the right to sports of the people.

[German Jag]

:sleep1: :sleep1:

[mrD]

hahah

 

http://www.wearethistle.co.uk/index.php?/topic/410-worst-fans-in-scotland/page__view__findpost__p__5959

[Norman]

Racism is not an official ideology of the capitalist ruling class. However, racism plays a significant role in the attack on the working class movements.

Capitalism has come to the end. The bankruptcy of US major banks and car industry, national bankruptcy of Iceland and Greece clearly tell us that we must transform the society from a capitalist one which is based on the exploitation of labour, into a socialist one which is based on human needs not profit.

In Britain, all major parties (including SNP, of course) are capitalist. We must build a new working class party which is internationalist, revolutionary, and supports the right to sports of the people.

 

Would it be too obvious if we actually called it the "False Dichotomy Party"?

[BermondseyBoy]

Clearly a wind up .No person should claim to speak for thistle fans as a whole cause politically we're a mix bunch who don't speak with just one voice.I know of jags who are snp/labour/lib dem/bnp/tories pretty much every side of the arguement but it's not an issue at the club.the OP is obv not a jag otherwise he would know this.

[i@n]

Jags fans against オウム真理教

[crazy davie]

Racism is not an official ideology of the capitalist ruling class. However, racism plays a significant role in the attack on the working class movements.

Capitalism has come to the end. The bankruptcy of US major banks and car industry, national bankruptcy of Iceland and Greece clearly tell us that we must transform the society from a capitalist one which is based on the exploitation of labour, into a socialist one which is based on human needs not profit.

In Britain, all major parties (including SNP, of course) are capitalist. We must build a new working class party which is internationalist, revolutionary, and supports the right to sports of the people.

You've already posted this...

[potty trained]

Racism is not an official ideology of the capitalist ruling class. However, racism plays a significant role in the attack on the working class movements.

Capitalism has come to the end. The bankruptcy of US major banks and car industry, national bankruptcy of Iceland and Greece clearly tell us that we must transform the society from a capitalist one which is based on the exploitation of labour, into a socialist one which is based on human needs not profit.

In Britain, all major parties (including SNP, of course) are capitalist. We must build a new working class party which is internationalist, revolutionary, and supports the right to sports of the people.

 

your written english is right comin on at some pace....

 

 

 

 

sits back and waits for some pointless thread written in half sentences of broken english.

[AlwaysOutnumbered...]

The most boring and pointless poster award goes to...

[B.C.G. JAG]

As an ex member of the far left, one thing that always grates with me is the language that's used. Trying to rally people around archaic phrases is never going to find much of an audience. Here's a challenge for the advocates of revolution - try and find a contemporary way of communicating your ideas. I doubt many people here would disagree with many of your points, (racism isn't nice, the banking system has broken Iceland and Greece) but the rhetoric is disjointed and sloganeering. This isn't a personal criticism, but a problem the whole far left has to deal with, and until it does it will fail to find it's audience, as demonstrated here.

[Blackpool Jags]

As an ex member of the far left, one thing that always grates with me is the language that's used. Trying to rally people around archaic phrases is never going to find much of an audience. Here's a challenge for the advocates of revolution - try and find a contemporary way of communicating your ideas. I doubt many people here would disagree with many of your points, (racism isn't nice, the banking system has broken Iceland and Greece) but the rhetoric is disjointed and sloganeering. This isn't a personal criticism, but a problem the whole far left has to deal with, and until it does it will fail to find it's audience, as demonstrated here.

 

My own sentiments to the letter. In fact, I could've written that myself and about myself, but not nearly as well, so I'm glad you did, BCG Jag.

[crazy davie]

As an ex member of the far left, one thing that always grates with me is the language that's used. Trying to rally people around archaic phrases is never going to find much of an audience. Here's a challenge for the advocates of revolution - try and find a contemporary way of communicating your ideas. I doubt many people here would disagree with many of your points, (racism isn't nice, the banking system has broken Iceland and Greece) but the rhetoric is disjointed and sloganeering. This isn't a personal criticism, but a problem the whole far left has to deal with, and until it does it will fail to find it's audience, as demonstrated here.

Absolutely spot-on.

 

It worked spectacularly well for the Greens when they changed from dirty-looking hippie-types to smart clothes and natching vocabulary. We're all Green now.

[Blackpool Jags]

Absolutely spot-on.

 

It worked spectacularly well for the Greens when they changed from dirty-looking hippie-types to smart clothes and natching vocabulary. We're all Green now.

 

I remember one of the slogans of a particular far-left sect being: "climb a tree for socialism". FFS!

[garryc]

hahah

 

http://www.wearethistle.co.uk/index.php?/topic/410-worst-fans-in-scotland/page__view__findpost__p__5959

lets us be political animals, dead right mate

[garryc]

I remember one of the slogans of a particular far-left sect being: "climb a tree for socialism". FFS!

oh my what a fright that must have been after 17 years or thereabouts of thatchersism?

[mrD]

As an ex member of the far left, one thing that always grates with me is the language that's used. Trying to rally people around archaic phrases is never going to find much of an audience. Here's a challenge for the advocates of revolution - try and find a contemporary way of communicating your ideas. I doubt many people here would disagree with many of your points, (racism isn't nice, the banking system has broken Iceland and Greece) but the rhetoric is disjointed and sloganeering. This isn't a personal criticism, but a problem the whole far left has to deal with, and until it does it will fail to find it's audience, as demonstrated here.

 

me too. although most people i guess would situate myself to the left of the political spectrum i find it difficult to self identify with the left as the crap they hit out with does fit the looney left stereotype.

 

Also think the left needs to lose its dogmatic attachment to marx if it wishes to progress. marx's anlysis of 19th centuary capitalism is of little relevance to todays circumstances imo

[danish jag]

me too. although most people i guess would situate myself to the left of the political spectrum i find it difficult to self identify with the left as the crap they hit out with does fit the looney left stereotype.

 

Also think the left needs to lose its dogmatic attachment to marx if it wishes to progress. marx's anlysis of 19th centuary capitalism is of little relevance to todays circumstances imo

 

I agree that the dogmatic approach needs to be done away with, but I find Marx' analysis of capitalism to be very much relevant even today as he examines the absolute core of capitalism. That core has not changed. It is still the hunt for profit driving capitalism and limiting people's freedom. The language and approach needs to change, clearly, but you need an ideological foundation to base your politics on.

[crazy davie]

I agree that the dogmatic approach needs to be done away with, but I find Marx' analysis of capitalism to be very much relevant even today as he examines the absolute core of capitalism. That core has not changed. It is still the hunt for profit driving capitalism and limiting people's freedom. The language and approach needs to change, clearly, but you need an ideological foundation to base your politics on.

How could they??!!! Bstrds!!!!!

[AwNaw]

I forgot that the SNP were a communist party

[mrD]

I agree that the dogmatic approach needs to be done away with, but I find Marx' analysis of capitalism to be very much relevant even today as he examines the absolute core of capitalism. That core has not changed. It is still the hunt for profit driving capitalism and limiting people's freedom. The language and approach needs to change, clearly, but you need an ideological foundation to base your politics on.

 

aye that is true for definate. that aspect is sound. what perhaps is not sound is the view of the direction of history and the dialectic process and ultimately where it leads. To me, focussing on that aspect of marxes work creates an almost relgious response that Gods Kingdom on earth will develop out of the morass of capitalism...

[Chris near Oxford]

Howzabout?

 

Our world is deeply racist and unfair as those who own the land, commerce and factories get richer at our expense.

The collapse of the banks and the car industry and of nations shows us that we need change, that no party will make, to treat everyone equally. We need a new party.

[crazy davie]

Howzabout?

 

Our world is deeply racist and unfair as those who own the land, commerce and factories get richer at our expense.

The collapse of the banks and the car industry and of nations shows us that we need change, that no party will make, to treat everyone equally. We need a new party.

We do indeed. We need a party that takes the wealth off the industrious and ambitious and gives it to the ne'er-do-wells and the lie-a-beds. It's the way forward.

[Chris near Oxford]

We do indeed. We need a party that takes the wealth off the industrious and ambitious and gives it to the ne'er-do-wells and the lie-a-beds. It's the way forward.

 

I was just re-writing the paragraph.

 

Anyway I think we all agree that not all the rich are industrious and ambitious, not all the industrious and ambitious are rich, not all the poor are ne'er-do-wells and lie-a-beds and not not all the ne'er-do-wells and lie-a-beds are poor. Indeed many of the industrious and ambitious are poor and many of the ne'er-do-wells and lie-a-beds are almost certainly rich.

 

How about a zany slogan like 'From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs'?

[Blackpool Jags]

I was just re-writing the paragraph.

 

Anyway I think we all agree that not all the rich are industrious and ambitious, not all the industrious and ambitious are rich, not all the poor are ne'er-do-wells and lie-a-beds and not not all the ne'er-do-wells and lie-a-beds are poor. Indeed many of the industrious and ambitious are poor and many of the ne'er-do-wells and lie-a-beds are almost certainly rich.

 

How about a zany slogan like 'From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs'?

 

Oh yes. (Churchill style)

[crazy davie]

How about a zany slogan like 'From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs'?

In other words - Take the wealth off the industrious and ambitious (the ones with abilities) and give it to the ne'er-do-wells and the lie-a-beds (the ones with no abilities).