eljaggo

When I signed up a few days ago, the form would not let me say that I was not a season ticket holder. Might be worth fixing that.

Allowing members to have a good think about the announcement, examining facts about the choice, and forming opinions about what should happen next are important, and therefore the timing seems to me to be spot on.

Very interesting WSJ, and pretty depressing since it highlights the machinations that Low uses to retain control. From what you say there is little even a well organised group of seaon ticket holders who meet the Trust's membership criteria can do to even call the Trust to account far less change its behaviour. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, and the Trust will not figure in Low's plans, but it looks to me that the Trust has been carefully tailored over time to provide a destination for the Weir shares, while at the same time allowing Low to retain control of the Board.

Many thanks WSJ. From what you say, it seems a pretty impregnable organisation, but not one that comes remotely close to meeting the criteria set out most recently by 3BC for a preferred share recipient. It does however seem to fit the bill in other respects. As I mentioned earlier, the recipient criteria set out by 3BC were termed in the future tense, and so grasping at straws, perhaps if the Trust was chosen, some modification to its Deed may legally be required, and that might prove an achillies heel in terms of allowing fans a genuine and meaningful say in the Club's affairs.

Further to my post above, I have emailed the club asking for a copy of the PTFC Trust's articles of association.

As a matter of interest could someone post the articles of association of the Trust, and possibly indicate when the AGM is scheduled for. Perhaps too, an indication of how an EGM can be organised.

Like GRE2, I have joined today. I too had reservations about fan ownership, particularly in relation to financing long term asset replacement (main stand etc). However the duplicitous Low has persuaded me that the Club is unsafe in her control. In my opinion TJF should now make every effort to recruit as many season ticket holders as possible so that in the (likely) event that Low gives the Weir shares to the Trust, TFF have the moral high ground in any future episode. That may not count for much with someone like Low, but it maybe the best option.

Not sure what more can be expected of TJF, Lenziejag - they have over 770 signed up members that is equivalent to over 25% of the fans you mention. They are by far the biggest fan group, but you cannot deal rationally with those who have a secret agenda. What work do you suggest they now do?

Pound to a pinch of salt that it will be the PTFC Trust named as share recipients. Low appointed Caldwell and Byron to the PTFC board from the Trust, and thus set things up to allow her to retain control through these compliant and beholden individuals while at the same time appearing to meet the terms of the Weir will. I hope that I am wrong.

I really appreciate the effort that TJF board have made in dealing with that pair of charlatans, and the well written account of the whole sorry saga. Although it appears that the shares will not be going their way, they have created an organisation that may yet prove influential in the running and ownership of the Club and has united a large proportion of Partick Thistle fans - something that has not happened since the Save the Jags campaign. This story has not ended.

I dreamed of being a star. Thank you.

I like to be precise DMQ but seems I've overdone it!

One (longer term) option is to infiltrate the preferred organisation. They must open themselves up to new fan membership to comply with 3BC's own requirements, and since the two options are small affairs, could be controlled in due course. Should they block new fans joining, then that might open themselves up to a legal challenge.

The two conditions 3BC set out for a preferred share recipient are couched in the future tense. There is no requirement for historical achievements. Therefore recipients' past behaviour is irrelevant, and the preferred organisation can modify its future intentions to suit. . We have been well and truly stitched up. Not at all surprising. I'm assuming that Low's interest is in control. She owns no shares and would not therefore benefit directly from a sale of the ground and a move elsewhere. However the gift of the shares to a very small group without rigorous fan oversight, would be risky.

Sorry WJ, but it's irrelevant what us fans think what fan ownership should "involve". The debate is meaningless. Low is obviously seeking to define Weir's will in a way that allows her to retain control by either allowing 3BCs to retain the shares, or giving them to one of the fan groups she can dominate. To re-iterate my earlier points, we need: 1 A definitive legal decision (not opinion) on Weir's will, and 2. To unite the three share owning fan groups so that 3BC's cannot divide and rule.

Problem is DMQ, our opinion of what constitutes an acceptable recipient of the shares is irrelevant. We have somehow to stymie Low's attempts to wriggle out of avoiding our interpretation of of Weir's will, while obtaining a legal decision on that.

I can see this nonsense from 3BC ending up in court to determine the exact legal meaning of Colin Weir's will. Could it be that 3BC's tactic is to divide and rule by claiming that no one fan organisation represents all fans? In those circumstances, perhaps some sort of binding "Memorandum of Agreement" between The Jags Foundation, The Jags Trust and The PTFC Trust is needed to present a unified fan entity that would deny 3BC from doing that . Better still what about a legal amalgamation with only one fan group. (This is so obvious that I must have missed part of the saga.) I haven't been following this saga too closely, but has the Jags Foundation sought legal opinion on Weir's will?

Forget it, I have been given the names via a private message. Thanks anyway.

Correct Lenziejag - 3BC names please. Jeez what a struggle.

Can't see them Norge - only the TJF names.

As a matter of interest, what were the names of the 3BC directors?

They're well past their sell by date - Undrinkable.

Another fan splinter group would emerge claiming ownership of damp squid.

That's too recent for memorabilia!

Why not try Firhill! There must be lots of old things going cheap, stands, players, etc. The trophy room has never been visited for 50 years, so who knows what might be lurking there.