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That's only my uneducated guess. I just don't think that if some club pays cash for Harkins that we could, post their administration, now become debtors of Dundee. If I'm wrong football's even more crazier than even I think.

Have you seen something in this guy Smith that looks like he'd be a striking success for us? Even in the games he's scored against us I don't think he's been that good.

Sorry to be repeating myself here but if Dundee sell Harkins the buying club should only be paying the net amount due for GH. Any % owed us should go direct to us. Should that not happen and the buying club send 100% of the price for Harkins direct to Dundee the amount owed us becomes what's termed a football debt. Dundee could come out of administration but while that debt to us remains they would/should be debarred from adding to their squad. I doubt that they could sell Harkins and the debt owed to us be paid as 6p in the £. This is a just layman talking so perhaps any accountants amongst us could clarify.

Well that's them out the Cup. They cup tied both Harkins & Griffiths. With his team getting beaten 0-4 and a couple of minutes to go Griffiths gets himself sent off. That must have knocked a good few grand off his selling price. All in all not a very good day for Dundee FC. Rather sad, innit?

True but of our three visits to Falkirk this is the one where we get a cut of the gate.

You didn't read my post.

Sorry, but while I can see where a lot of other folk are coming from with criticism of Donnelly, you've lost me. Pound for pound the guy's very strong and his single best attributes are his shielding of the ball and his hold up play. I don't think we've had a player that could rival that since Gerry Britton tho' on a one off match Hardie came close in his first game back earlier in the season. I would say that the second striker role that Donnelly is currently playing is far from ideal but I'd put that down to lack of height. Donnelly is no out and out striker and doesn't have a striker's nose for a goal. Neither is he tall enough to be effective for knock downs like O'Connor was or Holmes and Deuchar probably still are, but Donnelly's close control is about second to none in our division.

What Dundee really need is a slush fund

Looks like it'll be a wet cold night. If the drainage is ok the game should go ahead. I see there's a match on council telly that night (B'Ham v W Ham league cup semi).

bump!

Just read this. Radio Scotland 10 am news didn't know. Lot of folk out and about would be relying on the radio. Good sensible idea to bring decision forward.

or dropsy?

Well I just hope Halliwell's not been suffering from anything contagious.

I don't like the guy, he talks absolute drivel and has an over inflated opinion of himself. If tho' the game doesn't go ahead and much as I'd like to I don't really see how we can blame Pressley.

Obviously reading this I'm out with my arithmetic.

Fox is already cup tied, EoH, he played against the Binos. btw have read this week that Fox has been ill, Shepherd off to the juniors, Halliwell also ill and Scully injured. I trust that Scott F is fully better and our goalie coach will only be on the bench.

No doubt with an announcement fifty minutes later and a reverse decision at ten past two.

If the SPL stays at 12 clubs but opens the door for play offs (11th SPL 2nd, 3rd & 4th Div1) the way would still be open for larger SFL leagues. The SFL itself would probably have to go some way towards scrapping the closed shop (if not a pyramid system then at least some method to allow promotion & relegation to & from the lower tier). They might also have to reintroduce mini leagues into the League Cup. An SPL of 12 clubs, a 1st Div of 16 or 18 clubs and a lower division of 12 or 14 (with an SPL type split) would be better than what we've got at the moment.

I usually park at the industrial estate (West Mains?) at the Grangemouth side past the ground on the left. It's handy for the M9 when leaving.

I understand over 75% of the debt is owed to Mssrs Melville & Brannan as soft loans. I read somewhere that 75% is the threshold whereupon debtors can set terms of a CVA. Those being owed the remaining 25% are forced to go along with what's set. That's why I'd like to see Dundee's punishment also take into account the level of CVA. At the moment I suppose if another club went into administration and subsequently paid out 25p in the £ they'd still face the same penalty as a club paying out a pittance.

Try telling that to the Stranraer chairman whose club travels to Elgin on Jan 22nd

One of the flawed arguments against larger SFL leagues is that a larger bottom division would have no relegation. So you could have four or five teams competing for promotion from the bottom league and maybe a dozen teams playing meaningless fixtures for much of the season. A league no matter the size without relegation season on season is nonsense. The perennial and regular 3rd Div clubs like Montrose, Berwick, Albion Rovers and many more will obviously vote for the status quo of a ten club bottom division and no to a pyramid system. Just another case of self preservation within the SFL. Sandwiched between the aforementioned lower league clubs and the self preservation league itself are clubs like Ayr, Raith, Ross Co, Pars, Falkirk and of course ourselves. It's hardly any surprise that it's ourselves and these other clubs that are facing the greatest financial hardships. The fact that we're playing in a a repetitive tedious league of ten is no coincidence nor is the fact that clubs of similar status to ourselves are the ones who've been haemorrhaging support.

Know where you're coming from but there should still be some minimum criteria. I agree that clubs shouldn't have to upgrade capacity but they should be made to comply with having to offer a certain percentage of their capacity to away support. Also if there was an SPL 2 there should never be another Raydale and Morton should have to clean up their act.

Hardly worth arguing against your points, Steven, but I think Paddy T's far more representative of the real beef against 10 club leagues. I don't envisage larger leagues would have much of a mid league cushion where clubs could feel easier blooding youngsters. Any new larger league set up will have to counter the increased likelihood of "meaningless games". Measures in place would probably be along the lines of play off places (top and bottom) or even cash or seeding initiatives based on final place in league. Much as I want to see younger Jags players introduced sooner rather than later I would prefer to see any larger league every bit as competitive as the current set ups. The tedium of playing other clubs a minimum of 4 times a season is undoubtedly the principal reason for scrapping the status quo. btw limiting every club to a squad of say 16 players over the age of 21 with no restriction on the number of players below that age would be a far more effective way of bringing in youngsters to first team football.

I suppose the eight top teams in SFL Div1 would be invited but there could be minimum stadia standards etc.