Jag36

Don't think he said "one of the ways"..pretty sure it was more along the lines of..clubs have beenrequesting documents- we've been given legal advice that these documents can't be disclosed....Unless! you become a party in the dispute AND we'll offer you legal assiatance. Seems to be a trend developing here in the way the SPFL conduct themselves-We can't release the prize money..BUT if you do what we want and vote for this resolution( as there is no other way..because we are not interested in examining other options) its all yours! But remember we are just here to administrate as this is a members organisation. Now can i have my £400,000 a year salary please

Scottish football set the tone here..self interest, everyman for himself.. so we're just playing by their rules

Bit of a pattern with the SPFL..voting for our resolution is the only way to get prize money (without any meaningful review of other options)...Now- supporting us in court is the only way to access these documents... Convienient that the 'legal advice and conditions attached' always seem to support exactly what the SPFL want.

The SPFL seems to specialise in "limited routes"

You're right we don't know the contents of the letter but given the way the SPFL have handled things over the last few months, and Thistle/ Hearts reaction, i'm going to speculate its "underhand". We will see. I know how you like to gather accurate info though..so I'm sure Doncaster will be on the radio to clear things up and you can take that as 100% the truth because thats a reliable source of unbias information, right...

Definitely! Just really demonstrates why this had to go to court. Seems like more underhand tactics from those who are supposed to show leadership in our game. Instead promoting division. Wonder why they are so worried....

Probably didn't think he had to put such specific restrictions in place..forgeting it was Scottish football he was dealing with

No way i'd trust them with that sort of power after the mess they have made of this. Clear leadership- you must be joking and don't tell me its been the clubs and they haven't had enough control.. with their 'limited' powers they managed to totally divide scottish football- not a chance.. scrap the current SPFL board set up as it is..and start again.

Credit to James Anderson but he forgot he was dealing with Scottish Football

Well said. I think James Anderson is perfectly capable of giving money to the charities that he chooses. This money was meant for clubs that were struggling not a 50k top up across the board. He probably had some assurances from the SPFL and faith that the money would be used as desired without puttinģ specific restrictions in place. I totally support clubs giving money to charity. But use your own money and not someone elses to make yourself look good. Now he's in the impossible position that if he came out and criticised their use of the money he himself would be made to look bad. Back in the pot is how i understood it

Predictable

Dont dispute that. Has it been used in the best way to help the clubs that will be most effected by this crisis (which surely was the purpose) debatable..! The charity part is a different issue. By all means if Celtic want to donate then go for it but match that then double it

Celtic can afford to donate their own money to charity. Sure he is a rich man as is Peter Lawell -and sure you'll tell me hes very charitable too which im sure he is. Like i said im not trying to deny money to charity but this money was primarily given on the basis to support scottish clubs. If you want to donate to your associatted community charities which i of course fully support come together and set up a fund to do it . Like the English Premiership( Henserson etc.) but of course on a much smaller scale. Like i said what doesnt sit right with me is clubs using someone elses money to make themselves look good, especially when they can clearly afford just to put in a matched donation themselves

I know..thought it had been accepted in a very ungrateful way in general by Scottish Football. But using someone elses money to make yourself look good just really sums up the moral vacuum that is scottish football. Like i said- donate your own money to charity or donate the 50k then double or treble it!!

Am i missing something.. Celtic etc. donated their donation to charity- surely James Anderson is perfectly capable of donating to charity himself. Do you deserve praise for donating someone elses money to charity. Donate your own!! Think money was donated to help save clubs. Im not trying to take away from charities but thats why it was donated. They could have put it back in the 'pot' and used as an emergency fund on a means tested basis.

Don't totally disagree with you but don't accept that we're totally beaten. Think a court case is worth pursueing even just to expose failings and hopefully as an organisation and football 'community' learn from them. Also its difficult for change to happen if you just accept your beaten when you have clearly been treated unfairly. The other clubs had options that would have had a relatively insignificant impact on them compared to the damage done to 'relegated clubs' ,such as 14-10-10-10, that they totally rejected. From what i can see out of nothing more than greed and self interest at the expense of any attempt at fairness. So given the legal case is funded I fully support this option.

Just out of interest..forgetting the legal arguements for a moment. Do you think it is morally wrong for teams to be relegated( and all the implications that come with that) through this process and not on the field of play? Just interested

Exactly..thats why you don't rush into a decision. You see how the situation develops. Im not talking months but don't ask clubs to make a decision in 2 days without giving reasonable time to see how things develop (e.g Furlough)

What a shame that would be

Doesn't need to be "barefaced lies" the fact Doncaster has a vested interest means its entirely plausible that he might not be completely truthful. Definitely wouldn't be taking him at his word( on the radio) and sure no court would either

It was only 'urgent' because the SPFL took no time to consider other possibilities. Whether any laws have been broken we will see. But as an organisation they have made a total mess of this. They made no attempt at fairness and to protect clubs being damaged through no fault of their own- the fall out from this has been a disaster for Scottish Football at a time when real leadership was needed.

Whether that was the only viable way will now be for the courts to decide- did they disclose all relevant information..we will see

Exactly

Agree but it warrants further investigation and the courts are now the only option as the SPFL refused to grant any kind of meaningful independent investigation. Takes me back to my original point. A lot of the problems that have arisen have stemmed from the SPFL's determination to push this through as quickly as possible which in my opinion was totally unecessary