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  10. Player fund

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    1 hour ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

    100% its a legitimate way and we  worked very efficiently using Volunteers in the past - a small organisation like Thistle cannot afford a large Non Playing Staff Overhead as a % of overall budget 

    As for “ zero clubs” Saint Johnstone have traded for Years at a profit - so your statement is incorrect 

     

    Asking fans to contribute to the Players Fund = begging bowl

    Relying on free labour to carry out necessary work = what?

     

  11. Player fund

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    23 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said:

    Okay, let's put it another way. We specifically saw a spike in new memberships on the day this was announced and subsequently (slightly over 20 new members, just under half at the General rate, and the remainder evenly split across the Concessionary, Basic and Junior membership categories). The value of the pledges for those memberships, over the course of a year, will be about £1500 extra.

    Yes, that's better.

    Does it fully cover the cost of the hospitality? No, obviously not. But it is growing the organisation and building the income base, which is good news.

    I made no criticism of the scheme. For the record, I think it's a good idea.

     

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  12. Player fund

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    7 hours ago, Woodstock Jag said:

    Several points here:

    • Club is getting full value for the hospitality places
    • The cost is being met partly from TJF's sale of tickets to members, and partly from TJF's accumulated funds (in much the same way as we've used excess funds to pay for other members draws and events)
    • TJF will have contributed more than £150k to the Club this calendar year
    • In those circumstances, it seemed only right to give something back to members and to acknowledge their efforts
    • The way the hospitality event has been structured is designed to enable funds over and above those in the £10kpm pledge to hit the Club's coffers just before the January window
    • January fixtures are ones the Club traditionally struggles to fill hospitality, so there is often a deadweight loss in empty seats at hospitality
    • This arrangement ensures a fully sold-out Alan Rough Lounge at no risk to the Club
    • This event was possible because TJF has been raising comfortably in excess of its budgeted commitment to the Football Club (and will still do so even with the new Youth Academy pledge)

    There are also strategic justifications for an event like this, beyond the immediate economic benefit to the Club:

    • Introducing hospitality to a new audience
    • TJF is experimenting with variation to the hospitality itinerary and experience (so it's a commercial learning exercise for the Club)
    • TJF has seen an increase in members and pledges since the event was launched (getting people to pledge more and for longer is critical to what we can promise the Club in future seasons)

    The Club will maximise its revenue raising longer-term by having genuine options that appeal to lots of different people. If some people want to donate to the Players' Fund but not to TJF, that's completely fine and up to them.

    Personally, I will be channelling my own resources wherever possible through TJF initiatives, because I think it's important to build the sustainability of the fan fundraising vehicle. The Players Fund helps Kris Doolan in January. Building a mass appeal TJF helps build a sustainable football club for generations. There is wider social value to building up a strong supporters' association, with connections into the wider community.

    This isn't just an exercise in tipping as much money into the Club as possible. It's about building a set of institutions that makes income streams deliverable, reliable and repeatable. That's what protects the Club's future, and a vibrant supporters' association that regularly does things to value its members is a critical part of that.

     

    This is straight from the Civil Service play book, page 1. It says nothing. You could as well state that there has been an increase in membership since the Bake Off final or since it started snowing.

    Most of your points are well considered but adding puff like this isn't helpful.

  14. Scottish Cups Pop Up 2023-24

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    Men's Fourth Round fixtures

            Ayr United   v   Kelty Hearts   -  A2
            Kilmarnock   v   Dundee
            Greenock Morton   v   Montrose   -  A2
            Inverness Caledonian Thistle   v   Broomhill   -  A4
            St Mirren   v   Queen of the South   -  A3
            Brora Rangers   v   Cove Rangers   -  H2
            Clyde   v   Aberdeen   -  H3
            The Spartans   v   Heart of Midlothian   -  H3
            Bonnyrigg Rose   v   Falkirk   -  H1
            Livingston   v   Raith Rovers   -  A2
            Motherwell   v   Alloa Athletic   -  A3
            Ross County   v   Partick Thistle   -  A2
            Celtic   v   Buckie Thistle   -  A5
            Forfar Athletic   v   Hibernian   -  H3
            Airdrieonians   v   St Johnstone   -  H1
            Dumbarton   v   Rangers   -  H3
            
    A few ties with large potential seeding points but at this stage, with each correct result worth 4 points, it's a big gamble.

    Ties to be played on the weekend of 20 January.

    Deadline for predictions 1pm, Friday 19 January

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