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Did we have the funds to strengthen over and above Woods and Cargill? And give Fraser a contract til the end of the season.

And just because it's the boards decision doesn't mean folk can't share their opinion. Refusing to share your opinion, because that's a board decision is a cop out. I can't believe you're disputing this! And for accuracy. Just because you don't want Archie sacked today, doesn't mean you haven't previously wanted him sacked.

I didn't say you have. I haven't suggested decisions don't rest with the board. What's your point?

And if your opinion is that you won't name a successor because that's the boards decision, then that's a cop out.

Read the edit.

I didn't say they weren't true. I questioned their relevance with us in the here and now. Which there is none.

So you're again twisting it. Or strughl8ng to understand. Let me spell it out for a third time. If you think the manager should be sacked (whilst acknowledging this is a board decision) but can't name a single person you want because that's a board decision. Then using the board as an excuse not to name a successor is a cop out. But you already know what I meant.

We've never bounced straight back up, so we never will? No one has a perfect signing record. Every team clears out players and gets in new ones every season. Sometimes signings don't work out. I already covered your point regards youths in my original post. It's difficult to break through into a top tier team. Much easier to break into a second tier team. Unless you are suggesting that Archie would discard youths that he'd normally farm out on loan to the second tier? What's a fact is you are trying to compare ours and Dundee United's financial model. From here on, none of your points are valid.

No one said it was. Why you twisting it? Plenty folk called for him to get sacked. But couldn't name a single person we could attract or want. When questioned they copped out by saying that's the board decision not theirs. Even though they are quite happy to decide for the board, that the manager should be sacked.

Imagine we went down, and it turned out it wasn't some dystopian wasteland some folk on here would have you believe. Imagine we cut our cloth, got rid of the deadwood and built a team utilising our youth structure. Players not good enough to maybe break through in a top tier team, who we'd normally have sent out on loan. Imagine we kept our manager because we know he's more than capable of winning the league and doing so playing great attacking football. Imagine we then came straight back up. It's almost like the bleeting would be for nothing.

Because it's clearly a cop out. If you want Archie sacked (boards decision) but can't name one appointment you'd approve of (boards decision) then it's a cop out.

That's the boards job, is a cop out of complete shitebaggery proportions. Although certainly more respectable than suggestions like Owen Coyle or Bobby Williamson, the last time such a question was asked.

People want Archie sacked if we get relegated? People want Archie sacked to get us out the play off place? Who could we get in who has experience of either getting a team out the second tier or getting a team to finish above second bottom? Archie fits the bill.

Absolutely terrible conditions. Swirling wind and heavy rain for the vast majority of the game. Disgusting officiating. Linesmen not allowed to make a decision, only there to wave the flag for the ref. Ref made some terrible decisions. What a difference having Elliott back. A player so often dismissed and rubished by a section of fans. He was incredible. To put in that level of performance for 90 minutes on his first game back is a credit to him. Solid in every tackle. Booth on the opposite side was poor. Him and storey, going forward are very similar. Run 50 yards past 3 men then as soon as they find the space they don't know what to do. Cargill and Devine did well, Devine still prone to the odd calamity. But as a back 4 they looked a lot more solid. In the middle both woods & McCarthy ran and ran until they were dead on their feet! Fantastic from both of them. But it was In front of them where I thought we let ourselves down. No movement at all. Erskine started off great but had to sacrifice being so attacking to support the DM's. Lawless yet again flaters to deceive. Storey is bloody frustrating, so much energy and enthusiasm but no real end product. Whilst Sammon had a quiet game he is a fantastic out ball when you're in a scrap. On current form and where we find ourselves, I'd imagine he's going to start every game. Subs were spot on. Game was crying out for Edwards, just surprised Erskine went off before Lawless who did nothing other than fall over all day. All in All, a great point against one of the best teams in the league, regardless of how poor they were. They are cute when it comes to fouls and falling over, and seem to have the ear of the Refs.

How many league games have we lost from winning positions, this season?

Sammon gave him a roasting for it.

The preverbial game of two halves. We had free reign in the first half and could have been further ahead at half time if Muzy put in some more crosses, instead of passing on responsibility. Our forward players all had a great first half. Edwards and Storey especially. The second half as our midfield tired, at the same time, our defence became a cluster****, hell bent on putting the tired players in front of them into more trouble. Muzy and Booth continually gave the ball away, booth repeatedly playing balls inside to no one. At one point Muzy had the right wing to himself, motions to run into space and as Woods pings the ball out wide he looks up to see Muzy has thought, na fck it, I'll just hang back. The resulting ball flying out of play. Whilst we stretched them wide open playing the ball across the back in the first half, we did none of that in the second, instead playing straight up and down the wings. This meant Dundee could easily crowd us out and counter. Can anyone remember one instance of Osman dropping between the centre halfs to provide an option for a pass, in the second half? This week I had the joy of seeing Osman pitchside posing in his baseball cap outside the tunnel for another Instagram advert for his company. That's the point when I thought enough is enough, mixing business with pleasure, or at least taking his side job to his main workplace kind of pissed me off. His 2nd half display didn't help matters as he fannied about letting balls bounce instead of getting them tae fck. Not following runners and basically just hanging about. I know the same old faces are grasping the opportunity to get back on the Archie Out bandwagon. But, he must be pulling his hair out like the rest of us. I can't imagine the amount of times he must have thought, what the fck are you's doing! Whilst I'm getting it out my system, Cerny's dallying and downright pish kicks are beginning to piss me off.

In fairness you've probably posted the same thing for quite a few seasons, now.

Woods, Edwards, Sammon & Storey. Have been incredible.

His inability to put two coherent sentences together, to describe Woods attributes, having been his assistant manager at County was scary.

Because he gets the ball caught under his feet with his first touch and immediately has a Celtic player on him covering the forward pass. If that hadn't happened, he would have had a pass on for Spittal down the right wing. But as you say, you can't legislate for casual mistakes. He recovers the ball out from under him and plays it to Cargill who's first touch is really heavy. Forrest is on top of him too and he can't get the clearance away. As you say, again, you can't legislate for these casual mistakes.

Not knowing if it was the defensive midfielders or centre halfs who should be picking up the runners from Celtics midfield cost us in the first 15. Once we sorted that, we looked more solid. I'm not sure why Barton came back in for Osman. I can only assume he wasn't 100%. However, moving forward McCarthy has got to be ahead of Barton in midfield. At the back, I thought McGinn yet again was solid. I really like him being in the team, a huge improvement on Dumbuya's efforts against Sinclair from the other week. I thought Cargill was poor. His first touch for their first goal was really heavy and put us in more trouble than Bartons initial pass. Devine whilst not the best, doesn't hide, takes responsibility and does his best to lead. Booth looked good on the left. In Midfield Barton looked like he couldn't care less, in the first 15. But once the team sorted out who was doing what, he looked a lot more composed. He put in some great tackles, nicking the ball off the toes of the Celtic midfield. Woods oozes class. Composed, comfortable with both feet and really tough. His corners were for once, stinking however. In front of them I thought Edwards continued where he left off against Brown. The two of them seem to have a right battle with each other, but never dirty. Erskine slowly recapturing his fitness and form. Was involved in both goals, his through ball for Sammon being exquisite. And could have had a third assist for Edwards at the end. Spittal, however brought very little in an attacking sense. He looked slow on the ball and didn't cause Celtic any problems. Should have been replaced by Storey. Doolan took his goal superbly. What a beautiful touch he has! Off the bench Osman improved the midfield, not in a defensive way but whilst in possession. He keeps the ball moving quickly, always available for a simple pass and move. Yet another game in impressed with McCarthy. The boy has no fear and is easily our third choice defensive midfielder. Sammon is Sammon. Feed the fish and he will score. Gave the midfield abuse for not getting up the park to support him. 2 minutes later he scores. If we can get him signed permanently, Archie may finally have that Stephen Craig replacement, he's craved for 5 years. After such a poor start I feared four or five without reply, but credit to the management and players, the heads didn't go down. We got organised and got back into it and could have taken it back to Firhill, in the dying seconds after incredible pace and fight from Erskine to win the ball and get a great ball into the box. Yet again Thistle don't get a penalty against Celtic. You won't see a clearer barge than the one on Devine. Special mention to Nicham for spitting at McCarthy. And for the BBC's embarrassingly one sided coverage.

It's times like these I get frustrated when people coin the phrase "everyone's entitled to their opinion".

So is it our results against an already established top 6 that don't make us an established top 6 team, or is it bottle? How many other reasons do you have for us not being one of the 7 established top 6 teams? Do Motherwell & Kilmarnock share the same reasons? Dundee? What about when you get to our realistic level of Hamilton & Ross County? Do they have different reasons for not being an established top 6 team?

I completely disagree with your reason for us not being able to be an established top 6 team. Can you describe what an establ8shed top 6 team looks like?