CotterJag

Most probably.

Was looking and found this. Seems the stats are completely reversed from when I first looked a couple of years ago. As much as I'd love to know these details, it seems a quick google search should not be believed. All scottish tournaments since 1890/1891 untill 2001/2002 Red cards..Rangers=575,,,,,Celtic=622 Yellow cards..Rangers=1522,,,,Celtic=1777 Penalty's for..Rangers=1027,,,,Celtic=896 Penalty's against..Rangers=328,,,,Celtic=459

Love this thread but struggle to name most players tbh. I saw a picture a while back of Ray Farningham. It reminded me of a goal he scored versus Morton from what seemed like the half way line. We won 1 - 0 that day and about 2000 Thistle fans got attacked by 5 Morton fans. Even the police were laughing when they ran round the corner towards us after the game.

^ agree that they should have more as they will almost certainly have been attacking more. Not sure if averaging 7 or 8 more per season is representative of this or not. I can think of one or two that were a bit soft

I definitely had to renew my confabulation licence before throwing stats on a quote linked to you TJR, so figures are approx. and from memory.Oddly enough, I don't recall seeing thistle in the list but the next team up was Hibernian with something like 377 pens in 100 years. I'll maybe try and find the details again one day but it seemed that most teams were between 200 and 300 pens barring the OF of course.

I remember a couple of years back being so disgusted at our lack of penalties, that I tried to find out how many each team had had in previous years.Couldn't find too much but did find a piece from the early 00's, written by a Celtic fan. It was at a time when Celtic were feeling persecuted by all and sundry and said fella was trying to prove how many penalties Rangers, as they were known back then, had been 'given'. His findings were quite surprising but he still delivered them. I can't remember exact pens or all teams but it went something like this: Between 1901 and 2001 the following teams had these totals; Celtic - 1120 Rangers - 997 An incredible amount per season on average. Anyone like to guess who came next and roughly how many pens they got? I can only remember the next team and roughly how many. I'll post the number later anyway.

Happy with a point and a nice to follow up to the three from Saturday. I don't see any teams in this league where a draw away is a bad result.

Save Dools for the next game and give Sammon a run out at half time

I was only 11 months old, but my whole family were at the game. Not sure who was baby sitting. Lol. We lived in the tenement at the Cowcaddens end of the Garscube Road. It's one of the last standing in that area. The one above the shop next to the red ash pitch. I'm the proud owner of a ticket from that day, passed on to me from an uncle.

I'd go with: Cerny McGinn Devine Keown Turnbull Barton Lawless Erskine Edwards Spittal Doolan Doolan is too clinical a finisher to leave out on that surface. Have visions of him easily sliding the ball just wide of their keeper - 3 times.

Just have a feeling we have some goals in us tomorrow. I'm going 3-1 Thistle.

I've now watched the goal more than 30 times. Everything about it is great. I really thought Doolan had under hit the pass when I first seen it but it really was precision :happy2:

Thanks MB, does seem plausible. A shame about Nitriansky, as I thought he looked quite the player in his first game.

Made me chuckle.

Would need to watch it again, but could be down to the gap caused across the middle of the park when we attack and the move breaks down.As an example, McGinn has ran just past the half way line and put a diagonal cross in to the middle towards Sammon and his supporting attack. Defenders easily win the header and play it beyond 4 of our players. Dundee then break and run at our 5 / 6 defenders, who are on the back foot. By this time, Barton has pretended to be marking the nearest man to him, instead of running after his actual man, McGinn is struggling to get back following his poor cross, Sammon, Erskine and McCarthy are up front while they are bearing down on us. In the meantime, Lawless is wondering what he has done to deserve all this as he scurries back having watched another defenders cross from a terrible position. At this point, Turnbull, Devine and Keown are trying to work out who's turn it is to run out and hack down the onrushing players. Possible slight exaggeration but this can be overcome by 4 1 4 1, where Booth / Turnbull, stay wide and pass to proper wingers who will take men on and cross the ball from further forward. If the two centre backs really can't mark one man between them, they should drop Barton in to help when needed. I also think it would make Booth look far better, as I'm sure he looks the type that can hold position, tackle and pass the ball to a wide man. There aren't many players in the world that can run a whole wing to themselves, although Duncan Ferguson probably did.

It's funny how we can see a game differently. I watched on tele and know how different that can seem from being at the ground.I was convinced we played a rather poorly executed 4 1 4 1 and that would have made sense to me with the players we had on the park. Everyone else sees it as 3 5 1 1 (I think)?? Agree with player ratings but I gave Lawless some slack as I felt he'd been abandoned. It now seems he was supposed to be stuck on the left on his own. I really hope we never play that formation again as it allows certain players in the middle to hide and you end up with 6 defenders and an isolated attack. Every centre back wants to be a sweeper and will pull others in to mark the men they should be marking. Give each player a role and make him accountable for it. No passing the buck. 2 simple rules at the back; full backs should never drop deeper than centre backs and centre backs should avoid pulling full backs in to do their job for them. That's that sorted

Delighted with the 3 points today after a performance that could have been punished by Dundee. Although we're not a million miles away from an acceptable level, there is cause for concern at the back. Keown and Devine are doing what amateur players do by pulling in the full backs to mark men they or Barton should pick up. This in turn means that our wingers can be squeezed and have to sit deeper. I honestly don't know how Lawless coped for 93 minutes. It must be driving him crazy. In addition to this, when Turnbull and in particular McGinn did go wide, their distribution was woeful. In a 4 4 2, it is purely their job to mark the opposing winger and give the ball wo their own winger. Not get dragged in by over cautious centre backs and then cross the ball from the half-way line. McGinn and Turnbull managed to make the easiest role on the park look the most difficult. I give full credit to the 'forward' players who kept at it despite playing in front of a 4 men defence that wanted to mark 1 man between them and a holding player that doesn't mark anyone either. Wish I'd saved this post for tomorrow, as was jumping for joy 20 minutes ago, having watched the 2nd goal 15 times.

We'll do this today. Usually look on here for goals etc., but on Alba at 6pm, so effectively will watch 'live' and avoid the score. 2 1 Jags

Agree they are decent options and about the long run of poor form.Also don't want Archie to leave and glad he didn't when approached by other teams. Thistle fans in general are very supporting of managers and we treat them with far greater respect than most teams fans ever would. The songs sung for Archie and Johnny Lambie have made my day and no doubt theirs on many an occasion. They both, I believe, found their place at Firhill and whilst loyalty shouldn't mean a job for life in a results orientated footballing world, we owe these guys and SP a chance beyond at least the next window. We'd feel as good as they would if we turned it round by the end of the season.

I dread to think who we could get to replace Archie and co. A terrible fixture run to start the season and some really bad injuries haven't helped the guys. Not many teams could cope with losing so many key players at the same time. Seasons are long enough to overcome such woes and I believe we will. 9th and good Scottish Cup run will do me

Hi Everyone, (first post). Easy to laugh off the comments around player size etc., but in the modern game it can certainly be a disadvantage. If a smaller player goes against a bigger player, they will have to use a greater percentage of their overall strength to overcome a stature imbalance. This in turn makes them appear more aggressive and it's easy to punish them by giving free kicks etc. On top of this, opposing managers have already drawn attention to our 'aggressive nature' in pre-match interviews. As it turned out, Slovenia were bigger and more aggressive, whilst our footballing skills were just a little light to overcome this. On another note, and regarding genetics, I did read that pre World War 1, Scotland was the tallest nation on the planet. If that was the case, then it will be again..... one day. In the meantime, we need to focus on individual skill, intelligence on the field and tactics. Thanks CotterJag.